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« on: January 18, 2019, 04:36:14 PM »

In my opinion, The Beach Boys wasn't that good at deciding the song order on their albums. And why did they shelve so much great material?..
My question to all of you is how do you listen to the albums? Do you listen to the original or do you rearrange them?

As an example, here's my version of Holland:

1. Steamboat
2. Mt. Vernon And Fairway
3. Only With You
4. Iím The Pied Piper
5. Sail On, Sailor
6. Better Get Back In Bed
7. Big Sur
8. The Beaks Of Eagles
9. California
10. Iím The Pied Piper
11. Funky Pretty
12. Leaving This Town
13. Radio King Dom
14. The Trader

It's an amazing album nevertheless. But the flow of this version makes the album even better imo.
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« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2019, 03:21:58 AM »

I listen to the songs that they are on the record - laziness in my instance. Note that in the days of 'Holland' you were limited to say 23 minutes per side which dictated what songs went on which side (A or B). Peter Gabriel on one of his albums ('So'?) reoerdered the songs on CD reissue the way he wanted them originally (but could not because of the time limitations of vinyl) - he spoke about this in an interview.

Holland is one of my favoritwe albums. I have an early German version with 'We got love' on it. They issued 300 or so before they realised their mistake.  I have also got some sleeves with 'We got love' on, although the song is not on the enclosed vinyl. WEA really made a pig's breakfast of the release.

PS Although I have lurked for years on this site, this is my first posting here. All the best to all!
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« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2019, 07:09:00 AM »

I listen to the songs that they are on the record - laziness in my instance. Note that in the days of 'Holland' you were limited to say 23 minutes per side which dictated what songs went on which side (A or B). Peter Gabriel on one of his albums ('So'?) reoerdered the songs on CD reissue the way he wanted them originally (but could not because of the time limitations of vinyl) - he spoke about this in an interview.

Holland is one of my favoritwe albums. I have an early German version with 'We got love' on it. They issued 300 or so before they realised their mistake.  I have also got some sleeves with 'We got love' on, although the song is not on the enclosed vinyl. WEA really made a pig's breakfast of the release.

PS Although I have lurked for years on this site, this is my first posting here. All the best to all!

Interesting.. Yeah itís one of my favorites as well! Did you give my version a chance? If so what did you think?

Why isnít We Got Love on the album? Itís pretty weird, the didnít release it, but they did include it on the live album.. Thatís weird, I love that son though, too bad itís not on Spotify, it would have been included on my Holland version in a heartbeat..
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« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2019, 10:25:27 AM »

I always hear it in order as intended. If I donít like something I skip it
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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2019, 06:30:38 PM »

With my ears?
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2019, 12:34:28 PM »

With my ears?
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2019, 01:41:22 PM »

With my ears?

Lol Iíd been resisting making the same joke
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2019, 02:22:57 PM »

Welcome Jules...nice to have you with us. And I hope the original poster will not be taken aback by the humor applied to the question in several of the responses: that's the SS hallmark. (While other boards may attempt to imitate it, they can't capture that edgy-but-silly tonality that wafts through the place the way cannabis suffuses the air these days in Carpinteria...)

Warners definitely had a contentious relationship with the band per their releases, but I think most of their concerns about specific songs were pretty reasonable. SUNFLOWER was certainly improved by the back-and-forth, even though it proved to be of no avail WRT the LP's performance on the charts.

If anything, Warners seemed to have no idea how to promote the group once it had product from them. If we take VDP at his word, he had to strong-arm executives to get behind the push to give SURF'S UP its title, which was one of the few canny marketing decisions that emanated out of Burbank during those times.

As for the initial question at hand: I listen to HOLLAND in several ways. Most often in a sequence of songs that permits me to recapture my nineteen-year-old state of mind (which includes tracks from adjacent LPs); then as a selection of favorites culled from the LP which leaves out a portion of it; and, more occasionally (or should that be less frequently?) in the LP/CD track order, as originally decreed and, as others noted, mandated by the original format in which the material was first encountered (two-sided vinyl LP).

I wonder if another way of asking such a question is to see which LPs seem to be least-optimally sequenced. People might list LPs that they most often rearrange upon listening. That might produce an interesting survey...
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2019, 10:17:47 PM »

I didn't think any of these albums were for listening to. I thought they were just for talking about.
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2019, 05:12:57 AM »

From beginning to end, as a whole, not skipping anything. Preferably without distractions.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2019, 11:38:25 AM »

I'll sometimes change an album's track sequence, but I like there to be some justification beyond just "I think it sounds better this way." I usually like to honor the artist's original intent, for better or worse. But sometimes the final released album may not do that. Things can get changed for non-artistic reasons, for example, meddling by the label. In those cases I'll sometimes try and restore the artists' original intent.

So for Holland, I'll put "We Got Love" back in its intended place, even though I don't especially care for the song. But then I also include Sail On, Sailor because it's just too good of a song to leave off.  Grin

Similarly, I could have sworn I read somewhere that the Beach Boys wanted Land Ahoy on the first album, but Capitol didn't think that 409 was a strong enough single to lead off Side B, so they put the sped-up Surfin' as the 2nd side opener and removed Land Ahoy. I thought this was in the "Our Favorite Recording Sessions" book by Stephen McParland but I can't find the quote now. Can anyone else confirm I didn't dream this up?

The last couple of times I've listened to Pet Sounds, I replaced Sloop John B. with Good Vibrations. I've never actually felt that Sloop sounds out of place on the album, the way some do. But I know Al has said "The fact that we didnít put Good Vibrations on Pet Sounds was a big mistake" and Mike says in his book that "Brian shoehorned 'Sloop John B' onto the album, even though it didnít connect thematically with the rest of the record but may have appeased Capitolís concerns." So I figured I'd try it their way.

And then sometimes I'll listen to an album or "era" in the order the songs were recorded or conceived.
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