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« Reply #350 on: August 10, 2019, 11:11:15 AM »

People have complained about Dylan shows for decades. He often plays smaller venues than BW these days.

Complaints have increased about McCartney’s shows over the last five years or so, as he lost his voice.

BW, given his history, is doing well enough. The layperson would probably not be able to tell the difference between his shows from the last decade or so. Folks buy tickets because he’s a legend. They know — and have known for many years — that he does a very particular kind of thing.

I went to McCartney's last show of the tour in London earlier this year - he was in fine fettle, and they only brought out Ringo Starr for the encore. An entire stadium lost their sh*t.

Any issues he has with not putting in 100% onstage are nothing compared to Brian! The guy sings and plays for 3 hours without taking a sip of water.
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« Reply #351 on: August 10, 2019, 01:46:34 PM »

People have complained about Dylan shows for decades. He often plays smaller venues than BW these days.

Complaints have increased about McCartney’s shows over the last five years or so, as he lost his voice.

BW, given his history, is doing well enough. The layperson would probably not be able to tell the difference between his shows from the last decade or so. Folks buy tickets because he’s a legend. They know — and have known for many years — that he does a very particular kind of thing.

I went to McCartney's last show of the tour in London earlier this year - he was in fine fettle, and they only brought out Ringo Starr for the encore. An entire stadium lost their sh*t.

Any issues he has with not putting in 100% onstage are nothing compared to Brian! The guy sings and plays for 3 hours without taking a sip of water.

I had nosebleed absolutely-back-of-house seats to McCartney a few years back and thought the show was a lot of fun. Yeah, his voice isn't all there but they double him up with people that can sing. It works out fine.
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« Reply #352 on: August 10, 2019, 05:44:09 PM »

Last nights show at del Lago casino in waterloo ny was meh. Love Brian, love the band. But it’s time to load up the woody and surf off into the sunset.

Can you elaborate why it was so meh?
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« Reply #353 on: August 10, 2019, 07:55:02 PM »

Last nights show at del Lago casino in waterloo ny was meh. Love Brian, love the band. But it’s time to load up the woody and surf off into the sunset.

Can you elaborate why it was so meh?

Losing Nicky. Brian’s issues. The venue. Just wasnt as great as they usually are. The band and Al were great and always have been, just an off night.
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« Reply #354 on: August 10, 2019, 11:16:08 PM »

Because this is what they're seeing: a man who looks like he's in pain being helped on stage to barely sing through songs, then sit without much emotion while his band mates bounce around him, until the end of the show when it appears as if he couldn't want to get off the stage fast enough.
Except for the part about being helped on/off stage, the rest could describe how Brian was when he started touring 20 years ago.  I've seen Brian 29 times since 1999, and it was rough in the beginning - very "deer in the headlights".  He got more and more comfortable over time, but we were never going to get a Brian who was a traditional front man.  If you want to see Brian in concert, you have to accept the Brian that you get. 
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« Reply #355 on: August 10, 2019, 11:59:29 PM »

Because this is what they're seeing: a man who looks like he's in pain being helped on stage to barely sing through songs, then sit without much emotion while his band mates bounce around him, until the end of the show when it appears as if he couldn't want to get off the stage fast enough.
Except for the part about being helped on/off stage, the rest could describe how Brian was when he started touring 20 years ago.  I've seen Brian 29 times since 1999, and it was rough in the beginning - very "deer in the headlights".  He got more and more comfortable over time, but we were never going to get a Brian who was a traditional front man.  If you want to see Brian in concert, you have to accept the Brian that you get. 

Exactly. When those of us who are fans of Brian’s shows say that “he’s looks comfortable” or is engaged, we know that we are judging him by his own standards rather than comparing him to Cousin Mike (which, frankly, is a ridiculous thing to do).
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« Reply #356 on: August 11, 2019, 01:52:48 AM »

I'm curios to hear from anybody who saw Brian in the 1970's and 80's, and how it compares to the Brian of 1999 to today. I've read about Brian being very animated in the 1970's at certain shows.
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« Reply #357 on: August 11, 2019, 02:47:28 AM »

I'm curios to hear from anybody who saw Brian in the 1970's and 80's, and how it compares to the Brian of 1999 to today. I've read about Brian being very animated in the 1970's at certain shows.


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« Reply #358 on: August 11, 2019, 07:40:17 AM »

Because this is what they're seeing: a man who looks like he's in pain being helped on stage to barely sing through songs, then sit without much emotion while his band mates bounce around him, until the end of the show when it appears as if he couldn't want to get off the stage fast enough.
Except for the part about being helped on/off stage, the rest could describe how Brian was when he started touring 20 years ago.  I've seen Brian 29 times since 1999, and it was rough in the beginning - very "deer in the headlights".  He got more and more comfortable over time, but we were never going to get a Brian who was a traditional front man.  If you want to see Brian in concert, you have to accept the Brian that you get.  

I saw him for the first time in 2000 and he sang every song on stage, made an effort in singing the songs well (I still remember how the crowd cheered when he really held that line in "Don't Talk"), got up to play the bass at the end of the set, and was on stage until the very end of the show. I do think that's quite different from what is going on onstage now but that's not really my point. If you see Brian onstage and conclude that he enjoys what he's doing, that's fine. My point is that we shouldn't be surprised if people are reaching different conclusions.
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« Reply #359 on: August 11, 2019, 12:59:08 PM »

It’s really a shame his decline went so fast after 2012 when he actually could sing the melodies, this is painful to see sadly.
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« Reply #360 on: August 11, 2019, 02:36:25 PM »

I'm curios to hear from anybody who saw Brian in the 1970's and 80's, and how it compares to the Brian of 1999 to today. I've read about Brian being very animated in the 1970's at certain shows.
I saw Brian with the Beach Boys a couple times in the 80s. The first time was May 1983, he had slimmed down a lot - although not as much as he eventually would. For most of the show, he sat at his grand piano, didn't sing a lot. IIRC (and I could dig up the video) he sang the middle 8 of Surfer Girl; started to sing Wouldn't it Be Nice, but gave up, and Al had to take over. The one moment that stands out is when Al sang Runaway, and Brian got up from his piano to share a mic with Al, and was kind of dancing. He seemed to be enjoying the moment.
Second show was in 1985. For whatever reason, Carl was absent, and Brian took his place. I remember him playing one of those 80's keytars - keyboard held like a guitar. He sang solo on God Only Knows, and actually came out front to do it. Later in the show, when the band were playing a run of fast songs, he was dancing with the other band members. I'd never seen Brian that animated.
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« Reply #361 on: August 11, 2019, 04:57:32 PM »

I saw him in 78 on the infamous Australia/New Zealand tour. There is enough footage from that period to draw your own conclusions, and besides, Carl was the one having issues, again well documented.

My feeling was always this. When he started solo I thought if the opportunity came up, he owed the fans and himself a decent Beach Boys tour. He was that good and confident (for him). That opportunity came in 2012 successfully. I never had any real doubts it was going to be a one off only because his touring style and demands is completely different from his cousins.

After saying 2012 was it for me I somewhat reluctantly went to the opening Final PS show I 2016 at the request of my son. Who wouldn’t want to share an experience like that? That show, while ok, confirmed what we see now. As I said in an earlier post his stage manner and singing has deteriorated 25% at least in the last 3 years. Probably the same again since the C50.

While I appreciate those just wanting to see him under any circumstances, the guy owes me zip. I’ll continue playing the music, listening on Spotify etc and if he makes some money through those mediums, more power to him, but I can not see him the way Little Richard, Chuck Berry played their final shows or Jerry Lee Lewis still does. Sorry.
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« Reply #362 on: August 11, 2019, 05:41:56 PM »

While I appreciate those just wanting to see him under any circumstances, the guy owes me zip. I’ll continue playing the music, listening on Spotify etc and if he makes some money through those mediums, more power to him, but I can not see him the way Little Richard, Chuck Berry played their final shows or Jerry Lee Lewis still does. Sorry.

I completely understand this. I became a fan around 2009 - just a measly 10 years ago - so I think any chance I can get I love to see the guy to capture some of the magic. But for those fans who saw Brian in better shape and then to watch the performances deteriorate to a level you don't dig, I completely get not wanting to see such a thing.

And I agree, he owes us zip...I support him if he tours or not. I just want the guy to do whatever keeps him happy and healthy.
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« Reply #363 on: August 11, 2019, 05:42:35 PM »

I saw him in 78 on the infamous Australia/New Zealand tour. There is enough footage from that period to draw your own conclusions, and besides, Carl was the one having issues, again well documented.

My feeling was always this. When he started solo I thought if the opportunity came up, he owed the fans and himself a decent Beach Boys tour. He was that good and confident (for him). That opportunity came in 2012 successfully. I never had any real doubts it was going to be a one off only because his touring style and demands is completely different from his cousins.

After saying 2012 was it for me I somewhat reluctantly went to the opening Final PS show I 2016 at the request of my son. Who wouldn’t want to share an experience like that? That show, while ok, confirmed what we see now. As I said in an earlier post his stage manner and singing has deteriorated 25% at least in the last 3 years. Probably the same again since the C50.

While I appreciate those just wanting to see him under any circumstances, the guy owes me zip. I’ll continue playing the music, listening on Spotify etc and if he makes some money through those mediums, more power to him, but I can not see him the way Little Richard, Chuck Berry played their final shows or Jerry Lee Lewis still does. Sorry.

I get you, I saw Chuck Berry as he was opening for Status Quo back in 08? (something), and it was not fun to see.
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« Reply #364 on: August 11, 2019, 07:08:53 PM »

 Oh! So simple, the days coming when you or I won't be able to see him again.  Count the days!
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« Reply #365 on: August 12, 2019, 05:42:28 AM »

I finally got to see Brian Wilson last night at Blossom Music Center, in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio. He played with the Blossom Festival Orchestra, an offshoot of the Cleveland Orchestra, which really enriched the music. I was a little worried the orchestra would overpower the Brian's band, but they did a great job balancing the sound.

I thought Brian sounded really sharp throughout most of the concert. His most cringey moments came during the Pet Sounds portion, and I can see why many on this thread have speculated that he might be bored singing this stuff. However, throughout the rest of the show, he seemed really on.

The set list posted online looks accurate to me: https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/brian-wilson/2019/blossom-music-center-cuyahoga-falls-oh-39f895f.html I was so pumped that they played Heroes and Villains. I was hoping he'd close with Love and Mercy, but the band chose to end on the high note of Fun, Fun, Fun.

They dedicated the performance to Nicky Wonder, and his guitar was set up on stage. They did not play the Pet Sounds instrumental, but took that time to introduce the orchestra and talk about the loss of their band mate. Overall, it was a great show.
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« Reply #366 on: August 12, 2019, 06:37:41 AM »

People have complained about Dylan shows for decades. He often plays smaller venues than BW these days.

Complaints have increased about McCartney’s shows over the last five years or so, as he lost his voice.

BW, given his history, is doing well enough. The layperson would probably not be able to tell the difference between his shows from the last decade or so. Folks buy tickets because he’s a legend. They know — and have known for many years — that he does a very particular kind of thing.

I can't speak to Dylan; haven't listened to his performance in a while. But McCartney's voice has noticeably deteriorated in the last number of years. He sounds *much* worse than he did back on his first few tours back in 2002/03/04/05. Still, as strained as he sounds on a lot of his show, I wouldn't say his vocals are anywhere near as challenged as Brian's. And for a bunch of reasons, McCartney's show is just on a different level. He's still filling arenas and stadiums.

Up until several years ago, I used to argue Brian's voice wasn't hugely different as compared to when he first came out to tour. But I'd say that has changed now. He sounds much more challenged now, and for the past few years, than he did in 2012 and certainly the late 2000s.

He does still sell tickets to a largely understanding, sympathetic, forgiving audience, and that will continue to help him (as does having Al, Matt, Darian, and Blondie to sing some leads), but I don't think it's going to hold out forever if he continues to have more challenged performances. Hardcore fans, even if they don't actively or aggressively criticize, will continue to pass on attending shows in larger numbers, and the less-informed fans that *do* attend will come away more and more perplexed and potentially unsettled.

It's all relative. After Brian's June announcement, I was fully prepared for more shows to be canceled and for touring to pretty much cease. So Brian being back out there and, it seems, at least not notably *worse off* in vocal performance or demeanor compared to past shows from the past year or so, is definitely good to see. But at *best*, it's not getting noticeably worse so far. It has not improved either. Brian and his camp can of course do whatever they want, but as an observer, I think it's worth pointing out that they still have some clear opportunity to strategize on how to perhaps not completely cut off touring, but slowly back away from aggressive tour dates and not reach what currently seems like the inevitable point where some unsympathetic concert reviewers are going to start more loudly complaining about the state of Brian's singing and demeanor at these shows.
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« Reply #367 on: August 12, 2019, 07:22:57 AM »

Obviously only knowing what I know about how things are going, I think a potentially good move would be to finish out the dates for 2019 that are scheduled (I think the Zombies tour will feature shorter shows, and the other guys in the band will probably sing a good amount of the "Friends" and "Surf's Up" material), and then maybe Brian can concentrate more on another studio project, and perhaps they can get this "Long Promised Road" documentary up and going.

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« Reply #368 on: August 12, 2019, 07:25:51 AM »

Well, I somehow missed that the June 18th Huber Heights, OH show was rescheduled to August 13th, so I've added that to the top post schedule.
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« Reply #369 on: August 12, 2019, 11:48:34 PM »

here's Brian in 1999 singing Caroline, No: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWznlP9_54

Looks like he's been to the Bruce Johnston school of live keyboard performance
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« Reply #370 on: August 13, 2019, 03:43:30 AM »

Wow hard to believe that video and performance of Caroline no was 20 years ago. What a difference between then and now.
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« Reply #371 on: August 13, 2019, 05:32:52 AM »

here's Brian in 1999 singing Caroline, No: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhWznlP9_54

Looks like he's been to the Bruce Johnston school of live keyboard performance
That was incredible!  Shocked He actually did the falsetto parts!
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« Reply #372 on: August 13, 2019, 05:41:04 AM »

I saw him in 78 on the infamous Australia/New Zealand tour. There is enough footage from that period to draw your own conclusions, and besides, Carl was the one having issues, again well documented.

My feeling was always this. When he started solo I thought if the opportunity came up, he owed the fans and himself a decent Beach Boys tour. He was that good and confident (for him). That opportunity came in 2012 successfully. I never had any real doubts it was going to be a one off only because his touring style and demands is completely different from his cousins.

After saying 2012 was it for me I somewhat reluctantly went to the opening Final PS show I 2016 at the request of my son. Who wouldn’t want to share an experience like that? That show, while ok, confirmed what we see now. As I said in an earlier post his stage manner and singing has deteriorated 25% at least in the last 3 years. Probably the same again since the C50.

While I appreciate those just wanting to see him under any circumstances, the guy owes me zip. I’ll continue playing the music, listening on Spotify etc and if he makes some money through those mediums, more power to him, but I can not see him the way Little Richard, Chuck Berry played their final shows or Jerry Lee Lewis still does. Sorry.
Do you mind if I ask you about the 1978 show? Which one was it? Was Carl noticeably in bad shape?
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« Reply #373 on: August 13, 2019, 09:25:40 AM »

Just so we're all on the same page here, some recent good-quality footage of Brian in concert and the studio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVYqA6dtoPE

This is BW and band at the Culture Palace, in Tel Aviv, Israel, on July 8, 2018.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0BMgIH493s

Brian, joined by Blondie and Nick (RIP) in the studio back in February.

You can draw your own conclusions from these clips. Sometimes he's better, sometimes he's worse. No doubt back pain and mental challenges can limit the quality of his performances. But I think these video clips show an engaged, shy, but incredibly brave and gifted man continuing to do his best for audiences that adore him.

He's not what he was 20 years ago, or even 10. But he's out there, and he cares. I don't know what the future holds -- how much or little touring or recording. But I love what this man has done and who he is.
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« Reply #374 on: August 13, 2019, 09:56:37 AM »

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