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« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2020, 05:32:47 AM »

<<One last thing - were the tinkly bells/triangles following the bridge an overdub or live?>>

Can you give me a time stamp for that part? For some reason, I'm not hearing it...

Right after "if I keep singing he'll come back some day".

Sorry, I don't hear tinkly bells or triangles there, either on the released mix or the instrumental track from the 2018 CE download...maybe something to do with my ears being over 40 years old? I used to be able to hear the "hidden tone" (for dogs) at the end of the Sgt. Pepper album on CD, and the tambourine on Boston's "Peace Of Mind", but now not so much...Anyways, my notes do indicate that a bell could be heard between takes of "Little Bird" on the tracking session tape - I would've made that note because Jim Gordon is credited on the AFM contract with "bell and block" as two doubles, and this rationalized the bell, at least, in my mind Smiley And, there's no notation of any kind of bell or percussion overdub on the track sheet - so basic track it is!


From someone who can still hear the Sgt Pepper tone... It's there  Smiley Quite subtle though. I'm leaning towards a single triangle. Can't tell if it's locked to the drum track, but if you listen he's keeping time on the hi-hat through most of the song except for in that part, where he stays on the snare and the other hand presumably goes over to the hand percussion.

'Block' is a mystery to me, I know it shows up on a couple of other '68 AFM sheets where I can't make out something fitting that description.
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« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2020, 11:19:37 PM »

Well, I've dug through some of my old stuff --

The tinkly thing isn't on the basic track, so it got overdubbed I guess.  Sounds like it could be with the trumpets.  I also noted:

"Take 7 is master take, but they did several takes doing a pickup into the cello section leading into the CitFotM sequence.  Sounds like Lockert is engineering--Brian is there but not super talkative.  Vescovo switches from Banjo to 12-string electric.  Bass and Drums sound nearly platonically ideal here.  Tape ends with pickups for Friends"
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« Reply #27 on: June 16, 2020, 03:24:22 AM »

Oh neat, I'd always wondered where that edit was hidden. The original mix has the trumpets over on the right and the tinkly thing on the left, so I'm thinking it may have been allocated to the same track as the cellos. And those drums and bass do sound perfect.

I remember Alan and Mark saying Brian was pretty much in charge of that session, if he wasn't too talkative do you remember how much input Dennis had next to him?

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Vescovo switches to what sounds like an archtop acoustic guitar

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Vescovo switches from Banjo to 12-string electric

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« Reply #28 on: June 16, 2020, 05:37:48 AM »

Oh neat, I'd always wondered where that edit was hidden. The original mix has the trumpets over on the right and the tinkly thing on the left, so I'm thinking it may have been allocated to the same track as the cellos. And those drums and bass do sound perfect.

I remember Alan and Mark saying Brian was pretty much in charge of that session, if he wasn't too talkative do you remember how much input Dennis had next to him?

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Vescovo switches to what sounds like an archtop acoustic guitar

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Vescovo switches from Banjo to 12-string electric

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Probably Craig -- this batch of notes was pretty desperate and rushed to get everything down.  I have another, more relaxed note on it somewhere else but I'm still looking for that,
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« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2020, 06:16:40 AM »

What I recall is that Brian was more talkative/involved than Dennis. Both were definitely present, though.
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« Reply #30 on: June 17, 2020, 10:33:25 AM »

That production / arrangement is so Brian through and through, and so integral to the recording, that I kind of consider it to be an unofficial (and arguably the quintessential) Dennis / Brian Collab.

I'm sure it's been discussed, but Dennis was seemingly *obsessed* with Child is Father of the Man. I can immediately think of at least three of his songs that quoted it musically: this one, Time off POB, and Away from the recent Wake the World set!
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« Reply #31 on: June 17, 2020, 10:51:03 AM »

The Child is Father of the Man quote in this is Brian's doing. He wrote the first bridge ("where's my pretty bird" - words and music), the later bridge drawing from Child, the tag, and touched up Dennis's melody. Even outside of the arrangement Brian ended up writing almost as much of the music for Little Bird as Dennis.
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« Reply #32 on: June 17, 2020, 11:03:12 AM »

Sure, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Dennis lobbied for its inclusion. He always seemed very fond of that track, and kept revisiting it! He also gave the press possibly the only contemporaneous quote about CITFOTM during the making of Smile, at least other than Brian.
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