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Question: Rate Surf's Up
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« Reply #50 on: January 27, 2006, 04:45:34 AM »

When did Carl refuse to serve in the army?
Aren't Native American themes apparent in SMiLE?
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« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2006, 05:57:46 AM »

Carl wasn't a lyricist.  Brian was minimally involved in the early 70's records.  The lyrics in question come from Mike, Al and Jack Reiley.  Those often seem forced as mentioned above.
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« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2006, 07:49:55 AM »

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There is a thematic similarity between 'Trader' and Neil Young's 'Cortez The Killer'.  Which came first?  Do you think the similarity is purely co-incidental?  Both songs I like BTW.

Well, they're both American (Neil's Canadian, right, but close enough)...I don't think it's so weird.  It's not like a guy in Greece is decrying the European treatment of the Indians.
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« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2006, 07:52:56 AM »

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There is a thematic similarity between 'Trader' and Neil Young's 'Cortez The Killer'.  Which came first?  Do you think the similarity is purely co-incidental?  Both songs I like BTW.

Well, they're both American (Neil's Canadian, right, but close enough)...I don't think it's so weird.  It's not like a guy in Greece is decrying the European treatment of the Indians.

No, I don't think it's weird - just wondering if one song influenced the other.
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« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2006, 07:54:24 AM »

Okay.  Good question.
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« Reply #55 on: January 28, 2006, 05:42:29 PM »

Definatly up there with the best of the boy's 70s albums, like someone mentioned some of the tracks haven't aged well, Student Demonstration Time sounds especially dated, the Brian Wilson suite is brilliant, not including any of Dennis's songs is criminal, a 4.
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« Reply #56 on: January 28, 2006, 06:41:15 PM »

thats not Brian on the lead vocal of A Day in the Life of?

I always thought it was...hmmm

im assuming thats VDP with the vocals in the end?
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« Reply #57 on: January 28, 2006, 06:44:44 PM »

The lead is Jack Rieley. VDP is audible, singing "Trees like me weren't meant to live..."
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« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2006, 05:14:50 PM »

The only solo singing Bri does is after Van Dyke's "trees like me weren't meant to live" line, after all the other vocal parts have come in...I'm almost positive it's Brian singing "Oh lord I lay me down" during the fade, somewhat buried in the mix.
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« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2006, 05:39:11 PM »

The only solo singing Bri does is after Van Dyke's "trees like me weren't meant to live" line, after all the other vocal parts have come in...I'm almost positive it's Brian singing "Oh lord I lay me down" during the fade, somewhat buried in the mix.

It sounds more like Al's folky tinge to these ears...  Does anybody know for certain?
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« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2006, 07:29:38 PM »

The only solo singing Bri does is after Van Dyke's "trees like me weren't meant to live" line, after all the other vocal parts have come in...I'm almost positive it's Brian singing "Oh lord I lay me down" during the fade, somewhat buried in the mix.

It sounds more like Al's folky tinge to these ears...  Does anybody know for certain?

I thought that was Al, too.
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« Reply #61 on: February 01, 2006, 06:50:37 AM »

I think it's Al, too. It's the "my branches to the ground" part that sounds like Al.
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« Reply #62 on: February 01, 2006, 10:18:37 AM »

It's Brian pitch shifted up a little bit for some reason.
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« Reply #63 on: February 01, 2006, 10:18:55 AM »

That is, if you want to believe the guy who recorded it.
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« Reply #64 on: February 01, 2006, 11:27:01 AM »

Yeah, that was the only thing preventing me from saying it's definitely Al. Though Stephen was wrong about the falsetto in Be Here in the Morning... maybe Al remembers this detail, too?
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« Reply #65 on: February 01, 2006, 11:52:54 AM »

Perhaps he does.  See, I think that it actually does sound like Brian at the section in question.  The pronunciation of "branches" is what does it for me.
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« Reply #66 on: February 01, 2006, 12:04:00 PM »

I'll have to listen more carfully after reading the Desper book (I'm not quite at that song yet and I don't have the book with me to read it).
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« Reply #67 on: February 01, 2006, 12:56:38 PM »

That is, if you want to believe the guy who recorded it.

Wait, I thought he was a phony scammer!?

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It really has always sounded like Al to me, amusingly enough, because of the way he says "branches." But I'd believe whoever knows based on more concrete info than that which I have (i.e., my faulty ears).
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« Reply #68 on: February 01, 2006, 01:55:31 PM »

Here's the vocal in question, as isolated as I could get it and tuned down to probably about where it would have been recorded, roughly a whole step down. 

http://www.someoneliving.com/alorbrian.mp3

Odd that at times it sounds very Brianish, Alish, and even Carlish. 
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« Reply #69 on: February 01, 2006, 02:10:57 PM »

I think "ground" sounds like Al... but I do hear "Carl" too... weird.
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« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2006, 08:52:41 AM »

I don't hear Carl in there at all; I think it's Al. It sounds like Brian until he tries hitting the high note, then it's clearly a very gritty my-dream-job-is-a-dentist-and-I-like-folk-music sounding type Al vocal.
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« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2006, 08:58:24 AM »

It's not that it sounds like Carl is singing it, it's that it has Carl-esque tones (you know?). I still think it's Al.
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2006, 12:40:06 PM »

Yeah, I think there's too much Al in it to be Brian.  Maybe they split the line up.  I think it's more likely that Al would be sounding like Brian in places than the other way around.
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« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2006, 05:43:46 PM »

You know I don't talk about that song much.

I avoid discussion of it at all costs most of the time.

I find the song the single most heartbreaking song in all of Brian's career.

It sounds to me like Beethoven, or Bach put together with words as well as that damning organ.
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« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2006, 06:54:47 PM »

I find that with "Surf's Up" and "Day in the life of a tree" it's the codas that really smack me right in the heart... the rest of the songs leaves me cold...

"I heard the word, wonderful thing a childrens soooo-ooooo-oooong" and the following "Child-child" stuff is one of the most beautifully resonant things I've ever heard... but up until then it doesn't do much for me...

as for "Tree", again the song leaves me undercooked until the devastating coda...

Two of bri's best codas ever.
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