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« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2018, 04:59:18 PM »

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I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!
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« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2018, 05:52:38 PM »

COMMENT TO EVERYONE: !!

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!

COMMENT to John Brode:  Well what are you asking?  Brian singing GOK is completely different than Carl singing GOK

Brian sings >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYw3HrtXAQ

There are plenty of other cuts on youtube of the same, but in a concert setting.  Brian's phrasing is always the same, and it's not because of his age . . . it's because that's how he shapes his words. Further, it's not because of drug damage either. He's always spoken and sung that way. Brian and (if he could) Carl will tell you, some songs are suited for one and some for the other. Of course, you know that.

There should be no difficulty in determining who is singing this song. Carl and Brian are completely different in phrasing, intonation, and pronunciation. How can you mix up Brian's delivery from Carl"s?

Am I missing an argument here?
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« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2018, 05:53:03 PM »

OK after more listens with ears open wider I'll go with both Brian and Carl, doubled.
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« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2018, 06:13:33 PM »

OK after more listens with ears open wider I'll go with both Brian and Carl, doubled.


COMMENT to Dove Nested Towers:

Listening can fool you if you let it. Mixing engineers must always hear the song as if "for the first time" even though it's the 100th playback. Objective listening is a learned talent.

Having said that, I have heard Carl and Brian thousands of times. I know their voices. I have heard them amplified, in the Control Room, in Concert, and in person. And I don't mean on stage in person, I mean standing two feet from them while they sing -- while they work out their approach to a vocal, mistakes and good takes, wrong notes and good ones, etc.

If you're talking about the "Brian Sings Leads" album -- it certainly sounds to me like Carl plus Carl.  As far as Carl sounding like Brian ... that can be true if Carl worked at it (Such as in some of the track replacement in Surf's Up) but Brian sounding like Carl ... no.


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« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2018, 06:30:06 PM »

COMMENT TO EVERYONE: !!

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!

COMMENT to John Brode:  Well what are you asking?  Brian singing GOK is completely different than Carl singing GOK

Brian sings >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYw3HrtXAQ

There are plenty of other cuts on youtube of the same, but in a concert setting.  Brian's phrasing is always the same, and it's not because of his age . . . it's because that's how he shapes his words. Further, it's not because of drug damage either. He's always spoken and sung that way. Brian and (if he could) Carl will tell you, some songs are suited for one and some for the other. Of course, you know that.

There should be no difficulty in determining who is singing this song. Carl and Brian are completely different in phrasing, intonation, and pronunciation. How can you mix up Brian's delivery from Carl"s?

Am I missing an argument here?
  ~swd

I believe they are talking about this track from the Pet Sounds Sessions box set:

https://youtu.be/X7ztzc7Xp0g
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« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2018, 07:14:24 PM »

COMMENT TO EVERYONE: !!

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!

COMMENT to John Brode:  Well what are you asking?  Brian singing GOK is completely different than Carl singing GOK

Brian sings >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYw3HrtXAQ

There are plenty of other cuts on youtube of the same, but in a concert setting.  Brian's phrasing is always the same, and it's not because of his age . . . it's because that's how he shapes his words. Further, it's not because of drug damage either. He's always spoken and sung that way. Brian and (if he could) Carl will tell you, some songs are suited for one and some for the other. Of course, you know that.

There should be no difficulty in determining who is singing this song. Carl and Brian are completely different in phrasing, intonation, and pronunciation. How can you mix up Brian's delivery from Carl"s?

Am I missing an argument here?
  ~swd

I believe they are talking about this track from the Pet Sounds Sessions box set:

https://youtu.be/X7ztzc7Xp0g

COMMENT to someone (I've lost track):

If you're talking about Disc 3 cut #29 --- I know this version. It's from one of the early attempts of Brian to sing the lead back in '66. It is after this take that Brian decided that the lead is best for Carl. If I remember correctly, this version survived with only one track of Brian .. with Carl trying the lead while listening to Brian's delivery. However, I can't say for certain, but it sounds like Mark blended both tracks together. However, it was meant to be only the one track of vocal. My memory is cloudy on this. 

This is a matter that should be ask of engineer Mark Linett on his thread. I'm sure he could tell you exactly what is which.


~swd
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« Reply #81 on: July 10, 2018, 07:26:55 PM »

Good to know... that was the version that we had been discussing the past page or so... glad to know I’m not crazy for hearing the doubling!
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« Reply #82 on: July 10, 2018, 07:43:43 PM »

COMMENT TO EVERYONE: !!

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!

COMMENT to John Brode:  Well what are you asking?  Brian singing GOK is completely different than Carl singing GOK

Brian sings >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYw3HrtXAQ

There are plenty of other cuts on youtube of the same, but in a concert setting.  Brian's phrasing is always the same, and it's not because of his age . . . it's because that's how he shapes his words. Further, it's not because of drug damage either. He's always spoken and sung that way. Brian and (if he could) Carl will tell you, some songs are suited for one and some for the other. Of course, you know that.

There should be no difficulty in determining who is singing this song. Carl and Brian are completely different in phrasing, intonation, and pronunciation. How can you mix up Brian's delivery from Carl"s?

Am I missing an argument here?
  ~swd

I believe they are talking about this track from the Pet Sounds Sessions box set:

https://youtu.be/X7ztzc7Xp0g

COMMENT to someone (I've lost track):

If you're talking about Disc 3 cut #29 --- I know this version. It's from one of the early attempts of Brian to sing the lead back in '66. It is after this take that Brian decided that the lead is best for Carl. If I remember correctly, this version survived with only one track of Brian .. with Carl trying the lead while listening to Brian's delivery. However, I can't say for certain, but it sounds like Mark blended both tracks together. However, it was meant to be only the one track of vocal. My memory is cloudy on this. 

This is a matter that should be ask of engineer Mark Linett on his thread. I'm sure he could tell you exactly what is which.


~swd

Sounds very plausible. Yrplace or mine?
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« Reply #83 on: July 10, 2018, 07:52:16 PM »

COMMENT TO EVERYONE: !!

I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION.  THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO DOUBT THAT CARL WILSON SANG THE LEAD VOCAL, AND THEN DOUBLED IT, ON THE LP RELEASE OF GOD ONLY KNOWS .

I REFER YOU TO THE PRODUCER, BRIAN WILSON   AS HE TALKS WITH GEORGE MARTIN ABOUT GOD ONLY KNOWS. IN THIS VIDEO YOU WILL SEE AND HEAR THE ISOLATED VOCAL TRACKS FROM THE GOD ONLY KNOWS MASTER MULTI-TRACK.

IT WILL SETTLE THIS STUPID ARGUMENT.  Angry

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/posts/la-et-ms-watch-george-martin-los-angeles-god-only-knows-brian-wilson-20160309-story.html

SEE:  3:18 TO 3:48  

You can also hear the isolated vocal tracks at http://swdstudyvideos.com  --  page 3  --  "God Only Knows" button.    ~SWD


Mr. Desper,

With all respect, this thread is about the version of GOK marked "Brian Sings Lead" on the Pet Sounds Sessions. I'm almost certain everyone here knows that Carl sings the album version. It seems this topic that I started has initiated a string of similarly related ones about who sang which line, such as the Be Here in the Morning. Sorry if the title of this topic didn't make that clear. Much respect!

COMMENT to John Brode:  Well what are you asking?  Brian singing GOK is completely different than Carl singing GOK

Brian sings >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCYw3HrtXAQ

There are plenty of other cuts on youtube of the same, but in a concert setting.  Brian's phrasing is always the same, and it's not because of his age . . . it's because that's how he shapes his words. Further, it's not because of drug damage either. He's always spoken and sung that way. Brian and (if he could) Carl will tell you, some songs are suited for one and some for the other. Of course, you know that.

There should be no difficulty in determining who is singing this song. Carl and Brian are completely different in phrasing, intonation, and pronunciation. How can you mix up Brian's delivery from Carl"s?

Am I missing an argument here?
  ~swd

I believe they are talking about this track from the Pet Sounds Sessions box set:

https://youtu.be/X7ztzc7Xp0g

COMMENT to someone (I've lost track):

If you're talking about Disc 3 cut #29 --- I know this version. It's from one of the early attempts of Brian to sing the lead back in '66. It is after this take that Brian decided that the lead is best for Carl. If I remember correctly, this version survived with only one track of Brian .. with Carl trying the lead while listening to Brian's delivery. However, I can't say for certain, but it sounds like Mark blended both tracks together. However, it was meant to be only the one track of vocal. My memory is cloudy on this. 

This is a matter that should be ask of engineer Mark Linett on his thread. I'm sure he could tell you exactly what is which.


~swd

Sounds very plausible. Yrplace or mine?

COMMENT:  Ask Mark for clearification here at his thread >>> http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,201.0.html  ~swd
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« Reply #84 on: July 18, 2018, 05:21:12 PM »

OK - I just heard the "sax solo" version of "GOK" on the Sirius Beach Boys channel today...and I gotta say, I personally am convinced that it's two Brians and one Carl singing the lead on this mix. Some words definitely sound like Brian, and others definitely like Carl...as if one of the two was louder than the other on some words, so that's why one's voice seemingly pokes out sometimes while the other's voice does the same thing other times. When it's Brian "poking out", he seems way stronger, and definitely double-tracked, while Carl, when he "pokes out", seems single-tracked. For what it's worth, that's my personal belief.

Also, prior to playing that track, they played a sound byte of Bruce describing how he brought a date to the "GOK" tracking session, and walked into the control booth to see Carl with his 12-string guitar plugged into the board, alongside Brian. That would seem to answer the question of whether Carl is playing on the track. However, as I've said, there is no discernable evidence of him on the session tape, as you might expect there to be -  his voice is not heard and his name is not mentioned. Furthermore, what little between-take guitar doodling is heard on the tape is of a very "jazzy" nature - unlike Carl, and very much like what you'd expect from a studio cat such as Carol Kaye. Two other things that would seem to contradict Bruce's recollection: (1) Terry Melcher (who was definitely present that night) reportedly said that Carl did not play on the track, and (2) in his recollection, Bruce also mentioned that he'd only been in the band two months at that point (when in fact he'd been a Beach Boy for almost a year by then) - so perhaps he was blending his memory of being at the "GOK" tracking session with the memory of seeing Carl and his 12-string at another tracking session...but regardless, I'm willing to concede that Carl MAY be playing 12-string guitar on the "GOK" track, along with Carol Kaye (who I'd say definitely played 12-string on that session, since the tape makes it clear that Ray Pohlman is on Fender bass, and - thanks to aeijtzsche's careful analysis of the Pet Sounds guitar and bass parts - we can say there doesn't seem to be a Dano bass on this one).
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« Reply #85 on: August 06, 2018, 04:02:47 PM »

After initially stating that lead was done by Brian, then agreeing that it could be a mix of Brian and Carl, with Brian being more prominent, I feel compelled to state that yesterday I was listening to the BBs channel on SiriusXM in the car and when "God Only Knows Lead Vocal by Brian" came on and for the first time Carl's voice seemed more prominent to me.

Perhaps it was the car's audio system speakers, the different listing environment, and/or even the fact that SiriusXM is sending out a significantly data reduced signal, but for whatever reason yesterday my brain came to a different lead vocal prominence conclusion. Went back and listened at home today and Brian's is once again the prominent voice.

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« Reply #86 on: August 06, 2018, 04:52:24 PM »

To me it sounds like Brian because it is more clipped but he is trying to sound LIKE Carl if that makes any sense
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