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« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2018, 12:44:08 PM »

Most of the negative comments about the film largely centered on the use of Dano and Cusack to play Brian's character.  It probably would have been more effective to have had Dano carry it all the way through.  The movie would have done better with a less confusing title.

Oh for me, the fact that there are two actors playing Brian is one of the movies strengths, albeit not a totally unique idea. Actually, something I'd like to see is a movie that uses both the real person and an actor at various different points of the film (not just in a cameo somewhere).
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« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2018, 11:03:10 PM »

I liked the 60's studio scenes, and it annoyed me that they didn't attempt any similar scenes of Brian recording in the 80's. Non fans seeing this film could be forgiven for thinking Brian was not active in recording during the Landy years.
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« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2018, 04:30:45 AM »

Paul Giamatti's performance is imo the best acting in the 80s scenes.

Paul Giamatti has a knack for stealing the show in biopics. 

Check out his roles in Private Parts (Howard Stern) and Man on the Moon (Andy Kaufman).
He should be given Oscar. Did Giamatti get it for any picture?
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« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2018, 05:34:06 AM »

Paul Giamatti's performance is imo the best acting in the 80s scenes.

Paul Giamatti has a knack for stealing the show in biopics. 

Check out his roles in Private Parts (Howard Stern) and Man on the Moon (Andy Kaufman).
He should be given Oscar. Did Giamatti get it for any picture?

He was only nominated once, for a supporting role in Cinderella Man, but he didn't win. 
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« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2018, 06:44:02 AM »

L&M *succeeded* in major part by *not* trying to run through all those in-between years. Watch "Summer Dreams", that's what happens when you try to cram too much chronology in (and that film really only ran to about 1984). Same with "An American Family", which really only ran to 1974/76 and took over three hours of screen time.

L&M isn't a history of the BBs. It's not even a history of BW. It's a character study about a couple of key points in his life. It's not even really a "Biopic", though it gets categorized as that for lack of something else to call it beyond simply a "Drama", etc.

The movie conveys Brian's personal hell. It helps you understand maybe a little bit of why he is the way he is. I'm gonna crib once again from Howie Edelson, who in his review of the film said (I'm slightly paraphrasing) that this film helps show you that Brian Wilson is the guy who wrote "This Whole World" for people he'll never meet or know. Just think about that. To me, *that's* what's profound. For his own sake, he probably should have given up music long ago. I think he has sacrificed some happiness to continue to make music. He may even do it as much for himself as for us. But we've reaped the benefits, and it is at the cost (whether we want it or not) of Brian's sanity.

I also think that while I'd probably say Dano's segment is better than Cusack's, Cusack's is still strong as well. Case in point: The hamburger scene. As Billy mentioned, this scene is really just beyond sad. It may be the emotional low point of the movie. It's a situational sort of thing that I think some people truly understand in terms of how awful it is. And you know what? This scene is surely *FAR LESS* awful than stuff that *actually* went down. It reminds me of watching one of those bonus features for "The Dark Knight" where they discuss the CGI effects for Harvey Dent/Two-Face. Quick primer: He loses half of his face in a fire, and they did some very realistic CGI effects on his face and then decided they had to actually purposely make the effect *less realistic*, because the realistic version was too jarring. I think especially the Cusack/Landy stuff in L&M is similar. They actually walked back the truly awful, awful stuff because I think it would have just been too dark and depressing and awful.
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« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2018, 07:39:13 AM »

Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.
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« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2018, 08:30:10 AM »

Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.

There is a scene were Landy is trying to get an out of it Brian to sing a song called "Heaven is a Car" (maybe that's an early version of In My Car or Let's Go To Heaven in My Car??), which shows Landy trying to direct Brian in the studio. 
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« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2018, 09:43:43 AM »

Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.

There is a scene were Landy is trying to get an out of it Brian to sing a song called "Heaven is a Car" (maybe that's an early version of In My Car or Let's Go To Heaven in My Car??), which shows Landy trying to direct Brian in the studio. 

Yes, I noticed that one. My thoughts exactly. They could have mined that stuff a little more, then Landy's desperate scene at the car dealer's would have made more sense to the average viewer. Landy was desperate to keep Brian; losing him meant not only losing money but also fame by association and appropriated credits.
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« Reply #58 on: April 20, 2018, 09:50:11 AM »

Yes, at least one recording session scene from 88 would have been good, or from Sweet Insanity (!) To show how Landy wanted to bask in Brian's fame, to the point of getting (co- ?) producer's credit.

There is a scene were Landy is trying to get an out of it Brian to sing a song called "Heaven is a Car" (maybe that's an early version of In My Car or Let's Go To Heaven in My Car??), which shows Landy trying to direct Brian in the studio. 

Yes, I noticed that one. My thoughts exactly. They could have mined that stuff a little more, then Landy's desperate scene at the car dealer's would have made more sense to the average viewer. Landy was desperate to keep Brian; losing him meant not only losing money but also fame by association and appropriated credits.

They also touched on it when Landy mentioned he was staying in Brian's house, while Brian stayed in the guest house.   And while not mentioning the fact that Landy received songwriting credits on the current Beach Boys album at the time, it did seem pretty clear that Landy and his cronies were enjoying the good life on Brian's dime. 
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« Reply #59 on: April 20, 2018, 12:56:34 PM »

I also think that while I'd probably say Dano's segment is better than Cusack's, Cusack's is still strong as well. Case in point: The hamburger scene. As Billy mentioned, this scene is really just beyond sad. It may be the emotional low point of the movie. It's a situational sort of thing that I think some people truly understand in terms of how awful it is. And you know what? This scene is surely *FAR LESS* awful than stuff that *actually* went down. ... They actually walked back the truly awful, awful stuff because I think it would have just been too dark and depressing and awful.

I skip over the hamburger scene, too depressing. Gets me so upset, how Landy humiliated Brian in public for no good reason. The restaurant scene in that 1970s Rolling Stone article was similarly depressing.
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« Reply #60 on: April 21, 2018, 05:27:15 AM »

Hi Nola
Please remind or provide a link to restaurant scene reference in Rolling Stone
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« Reply #61 on: April 21, 2018, 07:30:42 AM »

I don't have the link handy. Think it was the RS issue with Brian on the cover.
The guy who wrote the article related something he witnessed. He was at a restaurant with Brian, Landy and others. Brian apparently did some minor faux pas, and Landy lit into him, bringing him to tears.
The author didn't indicate what Brian did but wrote that it surely didn't warrant Landy's overreaction.

So similar to the "hamburger" scene
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