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« Reply #750 on: December 04, 2019, 06:38:51 PM »

Mike and Bruce have announced an incredibly ambitious batch of dates and venues for the North East throughout March and April.

Several within driving distance of me, but all week nights...and all very ambitious venue choices, in my opinion.

Parx Casino in Philly holds about 4,000
Hershey Capacity in Hershey holds about 2,000 (I guess that's about normal for them, or slightly over)
The Anthem in Washington, DC holds 6,000 (Seriously, guys?!)

Good Luck!

No way Parx holds 4k. That's standing room. Seating capacity is 2,550. I saw Brian do Pet Sounds there last year.

M&B regularly fill 2k capacity theaters.

Your Anthem figure is standing, too. It seats 2.5k to 3k. Not too unreasonable for them. I've seen them play in venues of that size.

Notice how you were overwhelmingly positive towards the M&B band, and then Bruce made a rude comment to you...and now it's almost all negativity from your side?


I didn't realize those were standing room figures...I *stand* corrected!  LOL


Yeah, I do carry a chip on my shoulder because of that. I see a LOT of musicians every year. I meet a lot of musicians every year. I also work with musicians every day and week, and am a music educator. I've never been verbally berated by a performer for wishing them good night. Much less, one that I've spent thousands of dollars on and have seen over a dozen times and met previously. I asked nothing of him. I wished him good night.

The hired hands of The Beach Boys are primarily a solid set of remarkable musicians. Scott Totten and John Cowsill are the heart and soul of the band now. I still give much credit to Mike Love for his stamina as he approaches 80 years of age, but his stage shtick and nasal vocals aren't the reason it's a well oiled machine either. Bruce Johnston is nothing but an ass riding a cash cow. He contributes very little to the onstage experience. So he certainly has no excuse for bringing negativity to the off stage experience.

Better yet... I rarely post here. Why the hell am I defending my opinion based on personal experience to some stranger?
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« Reply #751 on: December 04, 2019, 11:20:40 PM »

Mike and Bruce have announced an incredibly ambitious batch of dates and venues for the North East throughout March and April.

Several within driving distance of me, but all week nights...and all very ambitious venue choices, in my opinion.

Parx Casino in Philly holds about 4,000
Hershey Capacity in Hershey holds about 2,000 (I guess that's about normal for them, or slightly over)
The Anthem in Washington, DC holds 6,000 (Seriously, guys?!)

Good Luck!

No way Parx holds 4k. That's standing room. Seating capacity is 2,550. I saw Brian do Pet Sounds there last year.

M&B regularly fill 2k capacity theaters.

Your Anthem figure is standing, too. It seats 2.5k to 3k. Not too unreasonable for them. I've seen them play in venues of that size.

Notice how you were overwhelmingly positive towards the M&B band, and then Bruce made a rude comment to you...and now it's almost all negativity from your side?


I didn't realize those were standing room figures...I *stand* corrected!  LOL


Yeah, I do carry a chip on my shoulder because of that. I see a LOT of musicians every year. I meet a lot of musicians every year. I also work with musicians every day and week, and am a music educator. I've never been verbally berated by a performer for wishing them good night. Much less, one that I've spent thousands of dollars on and have seen over a dozen times and met previously. I asked nothing of him. I wished him good night.

The hired hands of The Beach Boys are primarily a solid set of remarkable musicians. Scott Totten and John Cowsill are the heart and soul of the band now. I still give much credit to Mike Love for his stamina as he approaches 80 years of age, but his stage shtick and nasal vocals aren't the reason it's a well oiled machine either. Bruce Johnston is nothing but an ass riding a cash cow. He contributes very little to the onstage experience. So he certainly has no excuse for bringing negativity to the off stage experience.

Better yet... I rarely post here. Why the hell am I defending my opinion based on personal experience to some stranger?
Bruce has a reputation for being moody. Sometimes he's kind, polite, even engaged; other times he's your grumpy old uncle. On the plus side, he contributes very little onstage; sings a couple songs, does harmonies...but other guys could cover his parts if he decided to retire.
But in his memory, they could leave an unplayed keyboard onstage, with a pair of shorts hanging from it...and of course, someone adjusting the mic stand every couple minutes.
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« Reply #752 on: December 05, 2019, 08:07:55 AM »

I've long contended that that weirdest dude in the band is Bruce. Totally bizarre Jekyll and Hyde stuff from him over the years.

"Grumpy old uncle" is sometimes putting it too politely. I've seen stories where Bruce isn't just having a terse moment after a show; there are stories from fans of Bruce going out of his way to actively antagonize, and frankly bully fans before/after shows. Truly bizarre.

While he sometimes seems genuinely nice and in a good mood, I'd say even in *some* of those cases, it seems kind of weird and almost excessively overly-fawning, especially when he does his bit saying Brian is a genius, etc. Check out the David Marks/Jon Stebbins book, where David describes his encounter with Bruce when he was in the group's orbit around 1971 when they briefly toyed with bringing David back. David describes Bruce being weirdly overly-deferential to David, and then once David made it clear he wasn't coming back into the band, Bruce's attitude completely changed.

We're all human and all have flaws. Not trying to jump on Bruce too much. But there's ample evidence just from fan stories and even frankly some of his online postings, to say nothing of other documented stories, that the guy is "moody" to put it as gently as possible. Some folks who have interviewed him have indicated a similar experience.

I remember a couple of his weird meltdowns on the old BB Britain board. One was where one random video of him appeared on YouTube and Bruce acted as if he had just personally had been robbed. That was the very early days of YouTube. Hopefully nobody has shown Bruce he's in about a billion YouTube videos now. And then of course there's the fan who *obviously* innocently said something to Bruce on that board and used "BJ" for shorthand. He certainly lived to regret that decision.......

As for his input at the live shows, I've long said essentially this: Bruce has added little vocally or instrumentally to "Beach Boys" shows in decades, arguably since some point in the 80s (once they bulked up the backing band with more keyboardists and backing vocalists especially). It's important to note that Bruce *could* have (and still could) add more to the shows. He's undoubtedly still a good keyboard player, and his voice is intact enough that he could use it more. For whatever reason, he has chosen to lay low in the band for most of his tenure.
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« Reply #753 on: December 05, 2019, 03:52:23 PM »

While Bruce contributes very little in the Lead Vocal and Keyboard department, I'd say he's one of the heavy lifters in the band regarding the backing harmonies. His voice in the blend makes Mike's band sound infinitely more like The Beach Boys. Don't believe me? Compare nearly any  video of Mike's band to this (a show without Bruce) and you'll hear what i mean...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tkXjjx2LZE

Without Bruce, the harmonies don't sound as full, and as "Beach Boy-Ish" - when Bruce is there and I'm seeing the group live, at points I'll close my eyes and feel like I'm listening to the records.

Singing Beach Boys harmony is HARD, and if Bruce took no leads, and didn't even have a keyboard, I'd still commend him for being able to sing those intricate harmonies night after night.

However, I do wish he'd take more leads. His voice is certainly strong enough. In fact, I wish he and Christian would trade verses on GOK, for example. There's something more touching about hearing an actual BB, let alone one who's on the original mix, sing that song. I WISH Bruce would play the bass again on some oldie encore songs- like he did on Help Me, Rhonda and/or Barbara Ann for years. Just for the fans. I think that'd be so badass.
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« Reply #754 on: December 05, 2019, 08:21:12 PM »

Bruce is the "keeper" of the harmonies and teaches them to the supporting band guys.
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« Reply #755 on: December 06, 2019, 07:34:58 AM »

Happened to see the band on the Home show yesterday; the only one who spoke in the interview piece was Mike...obviously. Bruce just stood up front, like he normally does, but had a strange sort of far away look in his eyes, just kind of grinning and looking around the whole time. Sort of struck me as an old man whose mind has wandered a bit. Its just so strange to me that he stands up front in Mike's attempt to somehow validate the Beach Boys....but says nothing. Very strange.
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« Reply #756 on: December 06, 2019, 04:06:22 PM »

I just noticed these newly posted tour dates into summer.  Near the bottom of the list are three nights at the Hollywood Bowl.  Interesting...
June 13 in Viborg, Denmark @ Tinghallen
June 14 in London, United Kingdom @ Live at Chelsea
June 19 in Oslo, Norway @ Tjuvholmen Kro Hamar
July 02 in Los Angeles, CA @ Hollywood Bowl
July 03 in Los Angeles, CA @ Hollywood Bowl
July 04 in Los Angeles, CA @ Hollywood Bowl
July 28 in Elk Grove Village, IL @ Mid-Summer Classics Concert Series
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« Reply #757 on: December 06, 2019, 06:16:03 PM »

...and on 4th of July none the less...hmm...there's gotta be other folks on the bill...or...maybe....could it be?.....
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« Reply #758 on: December 06, 2019, 07:06:26 PM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys

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« Reply #759 on: December 07, 2019, 10:10:44 AM »

Three nights at the bowl with no one else on the bill, or additional band members, is beyond optimistic...even if it is 4th of July.
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« Reply #760 on: December 07, 2019, 11:55:16 AM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?
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« Reply #761 on: December 07, 2019, 12:44:00 PM »

Three nights at the bowl with no one else on the bill, or additional band members, is beyond optimistic...even if it is 4th of July.

I have a family member who is on the mailing list and a regular at The Bowls summer shows and receives early notification and booking privileges. A lot of people go solely for the experience, and the artist is actually secondary I hate to say.
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« Reply #762 on: December 07, 2019, 02:21:21 PM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



A lot of the concerts have that listed now. Very interesting. Random off-topic point: does anyone know why David Marks hasn’t done anything with either group in a while (other than the SiriusXM thing) before/after his health scare?
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« Reply #763 on: December 07, 2019, 06:23:30 PM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?

After the C50 a lot of M&B shows were advertised with pictures of the 2012 lineup and some even listed those group members as performing. I guess it just covers the legalities.
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« Reply #764 on: December 08, 2019, 04:25:17 AM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?

Might also stop journalists getting it wrong. When the Chelsea gig was announced one article was saying how Brian, Mike and Al would be there while another was saying how Brian, Al and Blondie toured as The Beach Boys. By the afternoon those articles had been corrected and the Brian pictures replaced with Mike pictures!
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« Reply #765 on: December 08, 2019, 04:55:51 AM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?

Might also stop journalists getting it wrong. When the Chelsea gig was announced one article was saying how Brian, Mike and Al would be there while another was saying how Brian, Al and Blondie toured as The Beach Boys. By the afternoon those articles had been corrected and the Brian pictures replaced with Mike pictures!

Interesting to think about... there was that announcement, now the 3 shows in LA with a philharmonic orchestra

Dare to dream?
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« Reply #766 on: December 08, 2019, 07:04:53 AM »

Ehhh....no.

 ‘This concert will not feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks.’

https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicdb/artists/7263/the-beach-boys



Weird, do they have to state that for some reason?


Well, the tickets say "The Beach Boys", so....
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« Reply #767 on: December 09, 2019, 09:25:06 AM »

The “This Show Will not Feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks” notices started happening in 2012 after the reunion tour.

Anybody with a decent sense for industry patterns and PR would have realized that doing a reunion under the same name Mike had been using on his own for 14 years, and then going back to Mike’s version, would lead to some confusion (not unlike when Al went out in 1998/99 with his “BBFF” band) from promoters/venues/spectators. Especially once that Nutty Jerry’s place biffed it and billed a Mike show as a reunion show, they had to start putting these more explicit notices when advertising shows.

At this stage, is it still needed? I don’t know. After 2012/13, it was only a few articles/publications that occasionally mixed things up and either implied or stated Mike’s shows were reunion shows. I don’t mind the blurb being added. It should have been there going back to 1998, but I highly doubt Mike would have wanted such notices on his shows in 1998/99/00, etc.

I’d be curious to know if, despite Brian and Al largely rolling over in the aftermath of C50 and just letting Mike do his thing, if perhaps they actually asked (or voted a demand) for this notice to appear on Mike’s shows. I’d guess not, because I don’t feel like such notices *always* appear on websites selling tickets to Mike’s shows.
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« Reply #768 on: December 10, 2019, 01:15:23 PM »

The “This Show Will not Feature Brian Wilson, Al Jardine, or David Marks” notices started happening in 2012 after the reunion tour.

Anybody with a decent sense for industry patterns and PR would have realized that doing a reunion under the same name Mike had been using on his own for 14 years, and then going back to Mike’s version, would lead to some confusion (not unlike when Al went out in 1998/99 with his “BBFF” band) from promoters/venues/spectators. Especially once that Nutty Jerry’s place biffed it and billed a Mike show as a reunion show, they had to start putting these more explicit notices when advertising shows.

At this stage, is it still needed? I don’t know. After 2012/13, it was only a few articles/publications that occasionally mixed things up and either implied or stated Mike’s shows were reunion shows. I don’t mind the blurb being added. It should have been there going back to 1998, but I highly doubt Mike would have wanted such notices on his shows in 1998/99/00, etc.

I’d be curious to know if, despite Brian and Al largely rolling over in the aftermath of C50 and just letting Mike do his thing, if perhaps they actually asked (or voted a demand) for this notice to appear on Mike’s shows. I’d guess not, because I don’t feel like such notices *always* appear on websites selling tickets to Mike’s shows.

It sure can't hurt to include such a note. When The Guess Who reunited in 2000-2001, they had to fight the reputation the band named had earned through dozens of years of bogus Guess Who's touring the US and Canada (Burton Cummings called them "Kale's Klones", because the only legit GW member in those lineup was bassist Jim Kale).

IMHO, when Mike got the license to tour as "the Beach Boys", his group should have been billed as "Mike Love's Beach Boys". I have nothing against the touring group, they are the best representation of Beach Boys music out there today; but they are not the original group, they never can be the original group. The classic Beach Boys died with Carl (and some would say when Dennis died).
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« Reply #769 on: December 11, 2019, 02:28:56 PM »

For better or for worse, any band called "Mike Love's *anything*" wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the number of or profile of gigs that the group known as "The Beach Boys" have since Carl's passing...and that's saying something, as those weren't even always the prettiest of performance opportunities...
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« Reply #770 on: January 16, 2020, 08:33:48 AM »

Just announced - The Beach Boys are playing at the 2020 New Orleans Jazz Fest
They are playing the first day, Thursday, April 23. Times for acts will be released in early March, I believe.
The Cowsills are also performing that day.
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« Reply #771 on: January 16, 2020, 08:56:38 AM »

Just announced - The Beach Boys are playing at the 2020 New Orleans Jazz Fest
They are playing the first day, Thursday, April 23. Times for acts will be released in early March, I believe.
The Cowsills are also performing that day.

I see the Cowsills also open for Brian tomorrow in Miami.
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« Reply #772 on: January 16, 2020, 05:33:31 PM »

IMHO, when Mike got the license to tour as "the Beach Boys", his group should have been billed as "Mike Love's Beach Boys". I have nothing against the touring group, they are the best representation of Beach Boys music out there today; but they are not the original group, they never can be the original group. The classic Beach Boys died with Carl (and some would say when Dennis died).

I get what you're saying from a truth-in-advertising perspective.  But from a business perspective, it's pretty obvious why Mike has been allowed to tour as The Beach Boys. The relevant Brother Records Inc. parties (Brian, Al, Justyn & Jonah) all have a stake in the financial success of Mike's touring entity.  Pushing to call Mike's act something other than "The Beach Boys" would be shooting themselves in the foot financially.
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« Reply #773 on: January 29, 2020, 03:01:14 PM »

Hello, has anyone done the meet and greet experience with Mike and Bruce lately? Will they sign things if you bring them?
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« Reply #774 on: January 29, 2020, 03:39:04 PM »

Hello, has anyone done the meet and greet experience with Mike and Bruce lately? Will they sign things if you bring them?


I did a meet and greet in August of last year and was allowed to bring one item for them to sign, which they graciously did. But they were very strict about enforcing the one item limit.
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