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« on: January 11, 2018, 10:18:59 AM »

In a thread awhile back, there was some discussion about the lead vocals on "Aren't You Glad", and some folks were theorizing that Brian (slowed down) may have been the lead vocalist on the chorus.

This started me listening intently to the song (in all of the versions I can) and considering it may not be Carl after all.

After considering this for awhile, I've come to the conclusion that I'm hearing Mike on the verses, Brian on the pre-chorus ("I've got a heart ..."), and on the chorus:

Carl with the first and third lines ("Aren't you glad now darlin' there's me and you", "Aren't you glad now tell me you're so glad"), but Dennis on the second line of the chorus ("Aren't you glad each day there comes something new").

Additionally, I believe it's Dennis on the "Tell me tell me you know what I mean", followed by Brian on "when I say-hey" background vocals.

Before you dismiss this out of hand, listen closely (comparing to Dennis' style on something like "I'm Going Your Way").

What do you guys think?
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« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2018, 10:44:42 AM »

Just listened a few times... and WOW...I think that is Dennis on the "tell me tell me you know what I mean" interjections during the chorus. The verse is definitely Mike and the pre-chorus and "when I say" are definitely Brian. As for the chorus, I believe all three lines are sung by the same person. Initially, I think I just assumed it was Carl, but I can hear it as Brian, particularly the "OH-O-O-OH" immediately preceding the third line. I'll have to listen closely many more times before I'm sure.
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2018, 10:57:41 AM »

It is Brian in the tell me tell me part. I have messed around with the pitch, and it never sounds like anyone else
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2018, 10:58:03 AM »

Just listened a few times... and WOW...I think that is Dennis on the "tell me tell me you know what I mean" interjections during the chorus. The verse is definitely Mike and the pre-chorus and "when I say" are definitely Brian. As for the chorus, I believe all three lines are sung by the same person. Initially, I think I just assumed it was Carl, but I can hear it as Brian, particularly the "OH-O-O-OH" immediately preceding the third line. I'll have to listen closely many more times before I'm sure.

If you listen closely to the second line in the chorus, the voice is a little raspier than the first and third.

WAIT WAIT WAIT --

I just compared the 2017 stereo mix to the original mono -- the first line in the chorus is *a different take*:

Orig. mono, the first "arent" is pretty straight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2CLfm02EaU

... on the stereo mix, the singer goes down a little on the first "aren't": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2CLfm02EaU

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2018, 10:59:07 AM »

It is Brian in the tell me tell me part. I have messed around with the pitch, and it never sounds like anyone else

I disagree. I honestly think the mono mix is the one that he comes through the loudest. I'm not 100% sure it's Dennis on the main lead in the middle, but the "tell me tell me" I am.

Also, if you listen closely the person who comes in with "... when I say-hey" (which is CLEARLY Brian) sounds like he's coming in before the "Tell me tell me you know what I mean" fully ends.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2018, 01:51:52 PM »

I think you're right, Donny, and I think additional evidence that supports it can be heard on various live versions of the song available to us.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there just aren't very many instances of bands whose members trade off the lead vocal as much as the BBs...and it seems to be something that Brian became very interested in embedding into his songs, making it more intricate as time went on. Is there any other band that approaches this level of "lead singer musical chairs" (for lack of a better term)?
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2018, 02:10:14 PM »

It is Brian in the tell me tell me part. I have messed around with the pitch, and it never sounds like anyone else

I disagree. I honestly think the mono mix is the one that he comes through the loudest. I'm not 100% sure it's Dennis on the main lead in the middle, but the "tell me tell me" I am.

Also, if you listen closely the person who comes in with "... when I say-hey" (which is CLEARLY Brian) sounds like he's coming in before the "Tell me tell me you know what I mean" fully ends.

Holy sh*t you're right...I never realized it was two different people as it sounds so seamless
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 05:41:52 PM »

Wouldn't it be more likely to be Alan than Dennis?
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 07:55:52 PM »

Just my opinion, but I just listened closely to the relevant parts of the mono and stereo mixes over and over again, and I would devour every single hat I own if it isnít Brian on every line of the two chorus lead vocals. Brian has a very distinctive ďbiteĒ to his voice that shows up everywhere. Itís harder to recognize when his voice is slowed down like the main lead vocal is (ďArenít you glad...Ē), but I have never once heard Carl or anyone else reproduce a sound like that, varispeeded or not. I hear you, DonnyL, on the overlap between ďtell me tell me you know what I meanĒ vs what follows (and Iíve never heard it before despite covering the song, thanks for pointing it out!), but neither of those parts sound like Dennis, or Al, or Carl or anyone but Brian to me. Iím 113% convinced itís a third overdub by Brian.
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 08:34:06 PM »

Just my opinion, but I just listened closely to the relevant parts of the mono and stereo mixes over and over again, and I would devour every single hat I own if it isnít Brian on every line of the two chorus lead vocals. Brian has a very distinctive ďbiteĒ to his voice that shows up everywhere. Itís harder to recognize when his voice is slowed down like the main lead vocal is (ďArenít you glad...Ē), but I have never once heard Carl or anyone else reproduce a sound like that, varispeeded or not. I hear you, DonnyL, on the overlap between ďtell me tell me you know what I meanĒ vs what follows (and Iíve never heard it before despite covering the song, thanks for pointing it out!), but neither of those parts sound like Dennis, or Al, or Carl or anyone but Brian to me. Iím 113% convinced itís a third overdub by Brian.

I hear what you mean *on the stereo mix* ...

Listen closely to the mono mix though. The takes are different in places.

I'm pretty confident the middle line in the chorus is Dennis on the mono. I'm still hearing Carl on the third line there.

Also on the original mono, the chorus is *one* recording, which was spliced on the end in full, so no need comparing the first chorus to the second (this seems to be the case in the stereo mix too).

Since Wild Honey was such a cut and splice job, recorded in bits, the multi may not have the same takes as the final.

Agree to disagree on "tell me tell me you know what I mean" Smiley ... again though, make sure you're using the original mono, that's my main reference (the backing vocals are somewhat buried on the stereo on this part)
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 09:42:56 PM »

To me, it sounds like Carl singing the "lead" throughout the chorus, with Brian singing the "Tell me, tell me" supporting part, and CARL singing the "when I say hey!". Let me check with Mr. Boyd on his thoughts.
Hmmm...on second thought, MAYBE it IS Dennis singing the second lead line in the chorus...

Meantime, what are everyone's thoughts on this: to me, it sounds like the trumpet lines in the intro and pre-verses are from the Chamberlain, as opposed to the trumpets in the chorus, which are definitely real...

EDIT: in the stereo mix, it sounds like one guy singing that lead chorus line throughout...maybe Carl, maybe Dennis...as opposed to the mono mix, where I agree it sounds like Carl on the first and third line, and Dennis on the second...
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 10:12:40 PM »

To me, it sounds like Carl singing the "lead" throughout the chorus, with Brian singing the "Tell me, tell me" supporting part, and CARL singing the "when I say hey!". Let me check with Mr. Boyd on his thoughts.
Hmmm...on second thought, MAYBE it IS Dennis singing the second lead line in the chorus...

Meantime, what are everyone's thoughts on this: to me, it sounds like the trumpet lines in the intro and pre-verses are from the Chamberlain, as opposed to the trumpets in the chorus, which are definitely real...

EDIT: in the stereo mix, it sounds like one guy singing that lead chorus line throughout...maybe Carl, maybe Dennis...as opposed to the mono mix, where I agree it sounds like Carl on the first and third line, and Dennis on the second...

I'll have to listen again re: Chamberlin, but based on memory it's a real horn there ... I think the strings are Chamberlin throughout though.

What an unusual song, when you really dig into it ...
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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 04:44:11 AM »

I've listened to that chorus about 1000 times since the first time this was mentioned and it's definitely the same two vocalists throughout the whole thing. Mono mix sounds like it could be a different take of the lead, but none of those voices sound anything like Dennis.

Edit: Going back to the mono mix the lead really does sound more Brian than Carl. I'm having an existential crisis about this. Also, anyone noticed the count in before the master take on the session highlights is slowed down?

Edit 2: I'm even more convinced both the chorus vocals are Brian now after comparing it to how he sounds on Country Air. Help
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 07:00:58 AM »

I know what you mean, it's a bit of a mindfuck ...

Listen to Carl on "How She Boogalooed It" ... now listen to the third line in the chorus of "Aren't You Glad".
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 07:15:24 AM »

To my ears Dennis sings, "tell me, tell me, you know".

Brian finishes the line and sings, "what I mean".
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2018, 08:03:08 AM »

Also would like to take a moment to note this may be The Beach Boys' greatest song ... even under this kind of scrutiny, every damn time I'm straight up ENJOYING the hell out of it, and can't help getting uplifted
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2018, 09:01:50 AM »

Just my opinion, but I just listened closely to the relevant parts of the mono and stereo mixes over and over again, and I would devour every single hat I own if it isnít Brian on every line of the two chorus lead vocals. Brian has a very distinctive ďbiteĒ to his voice that shows up everywhere. Itís harder to recognize when his voice is slowed down like the main lead vocal is (ďArenít you glad...Ē), but I have never once heard Carl or anyone else reproduce a sound like that, varispeeded or not. I hear you, DonnyL, on the overlap between ďtell me tell me you know what I meanĒ vs what follows (and Iíve never heard it before despite covering the song, thanks for pointing it out!), but neither of those parts sound like Dennis, or Al, or Carl or anyone but Brian to me. Iím 113% convinced itís a third overdub by Brian.

I hear what you mean *on the stereo mix* ...

Listen closely to the mono mix though. The takes are different in places.

I'm pretty confident the middle line in the chorus is Dennis on the mono. I'm still hearing Carl on the third line there.

Also on the original mono, the chorus is *one* recording, which was spliced on the end in full, so no need comparing the first chorus to the second (this seems to be the case in the stereo mix too).

Since Wild Honey was such a cut and splice job, recorded in bits, the multi may not have the same takes as the final.

Agree to disagree on "tell me tell me you know what I mean" Smiley ... again though, make sure you're using the original mono, that's my main reference (the backing vocals are somewhat buried on the stereo on this part)
Yep, I listened to the original mono too before commenting. I do understand how you could hear Carl on lead or Dennis on the backing vocal, though! They sound remarkably alike in certain situations, including this song. It definitely gave me pause for a while when I was replaying it. Just something about the vocal mannerisms and tone tells me itís Brian all the way through on both parts, both mixes.

... even under this kind of scrutiny, every damn time I'm straight up ENJOYING the hell out of it, and can't help getting uplifted
This we can agree on Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2018, 09:28:21 AM »

Compare the tracks to the live version included in SUNSHINE TOMORROW, where it sure sounds to me that Dennis is definitely singing the "tell tell me you know what I mean" line. (It also sounds like Al is doing Brian's "I gotta heart that won't stop beatin' for you" line.)

With that in mind, and re-listening to all the available versions on my iTunes (four or five, IIRC!), it becomes harder to think that it's Dennis on the studio version, for the reasons zatch is referencing.

Of course we'd love to hear from Mr. Boyd about this point...!

I actually think that the live version on ST is at least as great as the studio track, even though the vocals aren't as polished. The horns are so smokin' that Mike gets caught up in the moment and says "you guys are soundin' real good over there"--a rare breaking of the "fourth wall" on stage that makes it clear he knew they'd all just done something extra special. Also it's about 25 seconds longer--and any added time that this song is in process is postively sacramental...

Beyond the hybrid brilliance of this track, which is probably the best BB "soul" track ever--BW assimilating and transcending Motown, with Mike at or near his career best during the verses--the entirety of WILD HONEY has (or always should have) made it clear that Brian was managing to hold up against the torments he'd endured earlier in the year and trying to help move the band into a new tomorrow. He managed to get back to a high point despite all that, and a good bit of the response to the album was positive and encouraging. It really seems that he hit the wall when FRIENDS tanked so badly, and that's when the pattern of retreat and reclusiveness really begins.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2018, 09:54:06 AM »

Listening again, I'm totally convinced the lead on the chorus is just Brian doing an unusually un-Brianlike lead, not slowed down or anything. Listen to the vocal isolated - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1z6N4Etr54A8iSEvkHYRwdX_OwyclX6vc/view?usp=sharing

That's not Carl and it's not Dennis. The "new" and "glad" inflections are pure Brian. The "AH-AREN'T" is sung in a way that only he was doing on Wild Honey. Now I hear it as Brian the sped up one just sounds like Brian sped up to me, definitely not his normal voice and Carl also doesn't sound like that when sped up a semitone (I tried it out with his vocals across Wild Honey).

The "tell me tell me you know what I mean" is 100% Brian all the way through but the "me and you" sounds like Brian plus someone else, maybe either Carl or Al - https://drive.google.com/file/d/12gTtlEVJZd-Ro5V7sZku_zNncRJ3HaSe/view?usp=sharing

Edit: Compare it to Brian's vocal solo'd on the last chorus of the Country Air alternate mix on Sunshine Tomorrow 2. Totally the same voice.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2018, 10:13:32 AM »

Yeah, the more I listen the more I think it's just Brian on the chorus (the 3 main lines and "tell me tell me..." and "when I say"). It definitely plays with your mind, though!
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2018, 01:04:15 PM »

What's missing from all of our comparisons is a contemporary example of Dennis using his "soul" style.

The closest I can find is this (minus two years of smoke and booze), particularly pay attention to the first few lines and the "sliiiiiiide in" around 0:18-0:20:

https://youtu.be/plhEWLBX_V4

Compared to the isolated "Aren't You Glad" above ... I think Dennis is 1 and 2 there, and Carl is 3.

On the mono, I think it's Carl on 1 and 3, Dennis on 2.
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2018, 08:17:13 PM »

Heard back from A.B.:

"Well, I obviously canít say for sure exactly whoís singing what on Arenít You Glad, but I could believe that Dennis MIGHT be singing the tell me part. That thought had crossed my mind before. But Iím not sure. The next time I have the unreleased mixes handy Iíll give it a close listen and let you know what I think...

"Yes, we had to grab an 'arenít' from later in the chorus to fill that bit since itís not on the 8 track.  In Pro Tools, Mark flew in the word and edited it into the vocal track on the digital multi. As for how they handled that edit back in 1967, itís hard to say since we donít seem to have the actual first gen album mono master (like Smiley, the mono 'master' of the album was actually a second generation dub, presumably because the first generation tape, as per Smiley, would have been too fragile and splicey to use for production, and might not have had all of the fades in place). So we canít say for sure that thereís an edit there on the tape at that point. One certainly never leapt out at me, listening to the mono all these years (unlike edits in Wouldnít It Be Nice, Good Vibrations, Heroes and Villains, and others)

"So yes, Iím betting Carl overdubbed the part when they did the mixdown. That would certainly explain why it sounds like a different take. That fix would have been wayyy easier in 1967 than trying to nail that edit on a 1/4íí mono master with a razor blade.

"We had to fly in the little ďdoo dooĒ vocal part after the first chorus, as that wasnít on the multi, either. Fortunately, itís almost acapella in the mono mix, so that was easy to grab.

"The master tape of Arenít You Glad was slowed down before they laid down the vocals. My guess is that may have been to get the song more into Mikeís comfort range for the verse leads? Just speculation on my part here."


So there - some questions answered, some still a mystery! Remember, those Wilson boys had a knack for sounding like each other...but I agree that it MIGHT be Dennis on the second chorus lead line of the Mono mix (perhaps added during the mixdown, like the above-mentioned parts that are not on the multi-track).
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2018, 09:07:29 AM »

Heard back from A.B.:

"Well, I obviously canít say for sure exactly whoís singing what on Arenít You Glad, but I could believe that Dennis MIGHT be singing the tell me part. That thought had crossed my mind before. But Iím not sure. The next time I have the unreleased mixes handy Iíll give it a close listen and let you know what I think...

"Yes, we had to grab an 'arenít' from later in the chorus to fill that bit since itís not on the 8 track.  In Pro Tools, Mark flew in the word and edited it into the vocal track on the digital multi. As for how they handled that edit back in 1967, itís hard to say since we donít seem to have the actual first gen album mono master (like Smiley, the mono 'master' of the album was actually a second generation dub, presumably because the first generation tape, as per Smiley, would have been too fragile and splicey to use for production, and might not have had all of the fades in place). So we canít say for sure that thereís an edit there on the tape at that point. One certainly never leapt out at me, listening to the mono all these years (unlike edits in Wouldnít It Be Nice, Good Vibrations, Heroes and Villains, and others)

"So yes, Iím betting Carl overdubbed the part when they did the mixdown. That would certainly explain why it sounds like a different take. That fix would have been wayyy easier in 1967 than trying to nail that edit on a 1/4íí mono master with a razor blade.

"We had to fly in the little ďdoo dooĒ vocal part after the first chorus, as that wasnít on the multi, either. Fortunately, itís almost acapella in the mono mix, so that was easy to grab.

"The master tape of Arenít You Glad was slowed down before they laid down the vocals. My guess is that may have been to get the song more into Mikeís comfort range for the verse leads? Just speculation on my part here."


So there - some questions answered, some still a mystery! Remember, those Wilson boys had a knack for sounding like each other...but I agree that it MIGHT be Dennis on the second chorus lead line of the Mono mix (perhaps added during the mixdown, like the above-mentioned parts that are not on the multi-track).

Interesting ...

So we have some additional info/facts, but still more questiosn that answers.

To summarize:

* Conventional wisdom says Carl sings the Lead on the chorus
* The multitrack has some missing vocals, therefore the mono mix may be different in places
* Some speed adjustment was done during tracking
* No one can agree on who the lead vocalist(s) are/is on the chorus, or the "tell me tell me" Smiley

Personally, I really don't know. If I listen with a particular singer in mind, I can hear it as Brian, Carl, or Dennis in places. I do think the final line is pretty clearly Carl though, and the "Tell me tell me" is Dennis then Brian. It's just those "me and you" and "something new" lines really sound like Dennis to me.
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« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2018, 01:27:45 PM »

I thought it was some combination of Brian/Carl/Al (!) all these years, but after listening to the isolated vocals presented above, my vote is... Brian singing all the lines in the chorus, albeit at a different tape speed than the final version.
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« Reply #24 on: Yesterday at 12:36:29 PM »

Here's the isolated chorus vocal sped up a semitone, which is also the original speed of the backing track: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N0JOwv9MX6hBAn2s0WXcK4pyjsNzBSS6/view?usp=sharing

Guess that pretty much settles that it's Brian but he sang the part along with the original backing track speed and then that was also slowed down before the rest of the vocals were added
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