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Question: Which group did better in 1963?
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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2018, 11:52:43 PM »

Result: The Beach Boys  19 votes

           The Beatles 10 votes

The winner is 1963 is The Beach Boys.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2018, 06:26:12 AM »

Result: The Beach Boys  19 votes

           The Beatles 10 votes

The winner is 1963 is The Beach Boys.

Of course that is completely unbiased on a Beach Boys board!  Grin

But I will vote for the Beach Boys as well.
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« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2018, 01:23:20 PM »

I vote for The Beatles, but what do you know, the Beach Boys won a poll on a Beach Boys die-hard message board.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2018, 01:29:02 PM »

I vote for The Beatles, but what do you know, the Beach Boys won a poll on a Beach Boys die-hard message board.  Roll Eyes

I mean, The Beach Boys are badly losing in the ‘64 poll....
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2018, 03:22:13 PM »

The Beatles were S.F.A. in 1963.  The Beach Boys ate 'em. for lunch...as they have for most years since.

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« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2018, 03:31:59 PM »

Result: The Beach Boys  19 votes

           The Beatles 10 votes

The winner is 1963 is The Beach Boys.
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« Reply #31 on: January 15, 2018, 01:57:25 PM »

The Beatles were a great band. Still, I can't imagine anyone believing the Fab 4's music in 1963 was anywhere close to Beach Boys quality.

So, yeah, I'm happy too.

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 06:24:26 AM »

The Beatles were a great band. Still, I can't imagine anyone believing the Fab 4's music in 1963 was anywhere close to Beach Boys quality.

You really can't imagine *anyone* believing that? You really feel the Beatles' 1963 output was *that* inferior to the BBs?

I can't imagine anyone who truly knows both catalogs up and down having such an extreme view. I think anywhere but a BB message board, other well-informed fans or critics would hand the year to the Beatles. I *do* think a compelling argument can be made for the BBs, and reading such an argument is worthwhile. But I think it's beyond extreme to claim incredulity as to why someone would point to the Beatles' 1963 output being superior.
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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 06:46:44 AM »

Uch.

I hate this stuff.
This is so uncool and dumb.

Go watch sports or porn.
This is the worst of fandom.
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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 07:15:39 AM »

Pretty much. A needed perspective.

It's unfortunately not the first time I've subjected myself on message boards to, whether intended or not, being essentially gas lighted by extreme, "my team is better than yours" fans. That I'm now literally already dreading having to see the inevitable "1966" thread instead of looking forward to talking about "Pet Sounds" and "Revolver" probably should tell me all I need to know about popping into these threads.
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 07:22:16 AM »

The Beatles were a great band. Still, I can't imagine anyone believing the Fab 4's music in 1963 was anywhere close to Beach Boys quality.

So, yeah, I'm happy too.

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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 07:44:07 AM »

Pretty much. A needed perspective.

It's unfortunately not the first time I've subjected myself on message boards to, whether intended or not, being essentially gas lighted by extreme, "my team is better than yours" fans. That I'm now literally already dreading having to see the inevitable "1966" thread instead of looking forward to talking about "Pet Sounds" and "Revolver" probably should tell me all I need to know about popping into these threads.

I’m a little confused as to what the problem is here...Watamushi made a series of polls in which Beach Boys fans on a Beach Boys forum can compare their like/dislike of Beach Boys songs to Beatles songs during certain years.

Some fans have the opinion that Beach Boys music is far better than Beatles music during 1963 (they should be more than welcome to have this opinion without backlash. Seriously its a music forum and people are going to have weird opinions...I think SOS by ABBA is one of the greatest songs ever made in the history of pop music - I’m willing to admit that this opinion is utterly dumb and can’t be backed up statistically, but it’s my opinion and I have every right to feel that way about the song without being called out). Back to this thread: some fans (actually the majority who voted) have the opinion that the Beatles made better music than The Beach Boys...so just because one person makes an extreme opinion doesn’t mean the entire thread is something to disdain (edit, thought this was the 1964 thread, still, that thread proves people here can be open minded).

It is a poll that gets a lot of fans talking about their favorite Beatles/Beach Boys songs. In fact, I was inspired to play ‘Rubber Soul’ during a family gathering the other night after writing a post in one of these threads - think about that, this poll thread helped have some people who had never heard ‘Rubber Soul’ before listen and enjoy it. That’s worth every moment of these threads, if you ask me. So yeah, we could go watch sports or get some fresh air...or we could just be adults and be happy that we’re all different and have differing opinions. Maybe we can learn from statistics/facts and we can learn from people have solely a spiritual connection to either band.

@Watamushi - these polls have been great and thanks for posting them. I noticed on the PS forum that there was a ‘discuss a Brian Wilson solo song daily’ thread, is that something we could get going here at some point? Thanks again.
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 09:45:46 AM »

I think the main point is that “my team is better” type of threads represent some of the worst aspects of fandom. Having been immersed in fan bases for both of these bands for many decades and having been conversing about both bands on the internet for close to 25 years, I have to agree with that point.

"The Beach Boys won the poll, and that pleases me because I can't even fathom why anybody would think the Beatles were as good that year" - that kind of stuff is embarrassing regardless of which band you like more.

Imagine some new outsider, especially one who knows both bands well and likes both bands, coming onto this board for the first time and reading some of those comments. It's embarrassing. I don't run this board, I don't moderate it. I've just been here a long time and have been yakking about this stuff for decades and decades, and I'm tellin' ya, "the Beach Boys are super awesome and clearly were the better band every year" (I'm kind of exaggerating, but you get the picture) is absurd and embarrassing. It's anybody's right to feel that way, but I say both subjectively and objectively that that sort of stuff is embarrassing.

Doing a "Vs." poll and setting a bunch of rules about not mentioning any *objective* analysis is embarrassing.

A thread whose opening post has the phrase "forget about historical significance" is embarrassing. I'm not saying anybody shouldn't be allowed to post it. But geez, at that point just drop the "Vs. " thing and do a "The Beach Boys in 1963 - What Songs Move You the Most?" thread or something.

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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 10:10:53 AM »

Doing a "Vs." poll and setting a bunch of rules about not mentioning any *objective* analysis is embarrassing.

There are no rules limiting discussion.
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« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 10:17:57 AM »

I'd argue the point labeling this "the worst of fandom", because that was on display already and thankfully dispatched from this place almost 2 years ago.
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« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 10:25:01 AM »

Doing a "Vs." poll and setting a bunch of rules about not mentioning any *objective* analysis is embarrassing.

There are no rules limiting discussion.

Well, there are *some* rules that limit discussion, general board rules. But yes, nothing in this thread violates any board rules I know of. Which is why, in my previous post, I specifically said THIS concerning this thread:

I'm not saying anybody shouldn't be allowed to post it.
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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2018, 10:27:39 AM »

I'd argue the point labeling this "the worst of fandom", because that was on display already and thankfully dispatched from this place almost 2 years ago.

I meant more within the scope of non-inflammatory, cordial fandom. The "my team is better than yours" stuff doesn't involve name-calling or any unethical words or conduct. It's within the scope of fandom that I find it to be some of the worst aspects.

The stuff dispatched from this board was worse, but went beyond fandom. Some of that stuff was the worst of simple human interaction. Worse, no question.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2018, 10:29:31 AM »

“”My team is better” type of threads”

Yet most of the posts in this poll thread and the other poll threads have the utmost praise for Beatles music (not only praise but good discussion about their music) - you are taking a couple outlandish statements by people and then claiming the entire thread is a “My team is better thread” when none of them really are. I think most people have been respectful of both bands outputs. Sure, there have been some weird statements made in every thread, but mostly there has been civil talk about the music.

“A thread whose opening post has the phrase “forget about historical significance” is embarrassing.”

It’s a poll based on personal preference. I think it’s embarrassing that Watamushi’s rule “just vote based on which YOU personally most enjoy listening to.” is being raked over the coals. If there’s an anecdote about the song ‘Something’ that will make me actually understand why it was a popular song, I welcome that information, and maybe it will change my personal preference of the song. But if it doesn’t change my personal perception of the song then I shouldn’t use the historical information to influence my vote/opinion on it. I think that is Watamushi’s point.

Anyways, these poll threads have garnered mostly good discussion about both bands, so I welcome them.
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2018, 10:32:20 AM »

“”My team is better” type of threads”

Yet most of the posts in this poll thread and the other poll threads have the utmost praise for Beatles music (not only praise but good discussion about their music) - you are taking a couple outlandish statements by people and then claiming the entire thread is a “My team is better thread” when none of them really are. I think most people have been respectful of both bands outputs. Sure, there have been some weird statements made in every thread, but mostly there has been civil talk about the music.

“A thread whose opening post has the phrase “forget about historical significance” is embarrassing.”

It’s a poll based on personal preference. I think it’s embarrassing that Watamushi’s rule “just vote based on which YOU personally most enjoy listening to.” is being raked over the coals. If there’s an anecdote about the song ‘Something’ that will make me actually understand why it was a popular song, I welcome that information, and maybe it will change my personal preference of the song. But if it doesn’t change my personal perception of the song then I shouldn’t use the historical information to influence my vote/opinion on it. I think that is Watamushi’s point.

Anyways, these poll threads have garnered mostly good discussion about both bands, so I welcome them.

I like keeping the discussion on a yearly basis too. 

Comparing the overall output of The Beatles v Beach Boys doesn't make sense because The Beatles bowed out at the time of their game.  While The Beach Boys, for better or worse, soldiered on through changing musical trends, changing lineups, deaths of key members, etc etc
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2018, 10:33:54 AM »

I'd actually say, were I *forced* to keep pitting their stuff against each other, that pitting the 70s and 80s BB stuff against some solo Beatles stuff is more intriguing.
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« Reply #45 on: January 16, 2018, 10:37:46 AM »

Doing a "Vs." poll and setting a bunch of rules about not mentioning any *objective* analysis is embarrassing.

There are no rules limiting discussion.

Well, there are *some* rules that limit discussion, general board rules. But yes, nothing in this thread violates any board rules I know of. Which is why, in my previous post, I specifically said THIS concerning this thread:

I'm not saying anybody shouldn't be allowed to post it.

I was referring to the original post, as you were.
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« Reply #46 on: January 16, 2018, 10:45:37 AM »

Doing a "Vs." poll and setting a bunch of rules about not mentioning any *objective* analysis is embarrassing.

There are no rules limiting discussion.

Well, there are *some* rules that limit discussion, general board rules. But yes, nothing in this thread violates any board rules I know of. Which is why, in my previous post, I specifically said THIS concerning this thread:

I'm not saying anybody shouldn't be allowed to post it.

I was referring to the original post, as you were.




Ah, gotcha. Nevertheless, the thread's opening post actively discourages raising objective points of fact or other attempts at objective analysis. *That's* embarrassing in my opinion, for the Beach Boys message board of record that this board has always been. Maybe that sounds a little self-righteous, but on occasion I try to give a little friendly advice or insight based on my years of fandom and scholarship and internet-tery.
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« Reply #47 on: January 16, 2018, 10:46:28 AM »

I'd actually say, were I *forced* to keep pitting their stuff against each other, that pitting the 70s and 80s BB stuff against some solo Beatles stuff is more intriguing.

That would be interesting.  

I actually think they trend almost the same way in terms of quality, with the best material being released from 1971-73, and the rest up for debate depending on personal taste.  
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« Reply #48 on: January 16, 2018, 10:46:54 AM »

There are no rules limiting discussion.
Agree. When this thread began, I said what's the problem to tell that we like BBs in respective years (albums, singles) better than Beatles AND discuss Beatles' greatness, hits, Beatlemania, album tracks etc. I can't really fathom what's going on here. It's very easy thing to do - to say "I like BBs in 1963", i.e. preference stuff AND join objective (go-to HeyJude word) discussion about Beatles.
It's really funny to be upset with fans showing happiness that BBs won. It's such trifle.

To tell that it's embarrassing is insulting to the entire board, not the posts HeyJude replied to as such (which btw, I'm still not sure what was that. I tell my observations, the way I see it & next thing I see that, actually, what I said is considered "insult"! Can you believe it? To tell you I'm puzzled is understatement. Not to mention said poster speaks for everybody as if the poster represents the entire board Roll Eyes). It shows disrespect to people's views.
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« Reply #49 on: January 16, 2018, 10:59:41 AM »


It's really funny to be upset with fans showing happiness that BBs won. It's such trifle.


I'm not upset by such a sentiment. I just find it embarrassing and sad. I'd feel *exactly* the same way were it reversed and on a Beatles message board, etc.

If you're fist-pumping and saying "yyyyeahhhh!" because more people on a Beach Boys board (many of whom don't seem to like or be familiar with the Beatles' catalog of music) voted in a poll for the Beach Boys, then that makes me sad for this board. I'm not trying to be sanctimonious, I'm not trying to be overly-dramatic.

But this is the board where folks have uncovered deep BB mysteries. What really happened when Al left to "go to dental school?" Dennis singing some of the lead on IJMFTT. Landmarks books like "In Concert" or the new POB book. Stebbins scrubbing like a million falsehoods about David Marks from the historical record. C-man blowing minds with session research. Howie Edelson tellin' it like it is about C50. The list goes on and on.

All the while, Brian friggin' Wilson (and the rest of the BBs) will tell you it was the Beatles, and then everything else.

So yeah, "The Beach Boys beat the Beatles. That makes me happy" is sad and embarrassing, in my opinion.

Doesn't mean I don't encourage new fans, or that I don't encourage "Favorite" this or that threads even if they've been done a gazillion times over the years. But geez, what I wouldn't want to teach a new Beach Boys *or* Beatles fan is this "vying for the pennant" stuff. You don't have to like something *more* than something else in order to like it.
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