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Question: Which group did better in 1963?
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« on: January 05, 2018, 12:47:52 AM »

Lately there have been a very popular thread on PSF on which we compares the music of The Beatles and The Beach Boys year by year.

With a kind permission of the thread starter tompromisedroad, I will start the same series of thread here.

So, the first one is a battle of the stuff released in 1963...

three albums (Surfin' USA, Surfer Girl, Little Deuce Coupe) and (then) non-album singles (Be True To Your School, Little Saint Nick)

vs. two albums (Please Please Me, With the Beatles) and non-album singles (From Me To You, She Loves You and I Want To Hold Your Hand)


I look at 1963 as the year of the beginning of everything for both bands. The Beatles released their first album, which was either critical and commercial success (Please Please Me) and their would-be first, huge hit in the us  (I Wanna Hold Your Hand). The Beach Boys released their first (to me) classic BB album Surfer Girl, and their first big hit (Surfin' USA). u

Now, which group do you think did better in 1963? Use the poll above to vote.

Two rules I want you to follow when you vote:
base your decisions on which you personally prefer, nothing else. We aren't professional music critics (well, most of us aren't) so forget about historical significance, etc. and just vote based on which YOU personally most enjoy listening to.
consider just the released stuff at the time (in this poll, only the stuff released in 1963).

Look forward to see how the results come out Smiley



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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2018, 03:23:35 AM »

This seems unfair to ask on a BB forum.  Shocked
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2018, 05:06:38 AM »

This seems unfair to ask on a BB forum.  Shocked
True, but I've seen Beatles won or equaled the beach boys on several years (1967: http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/2091/1967-beach-boys-beatle and 1968: http://petsoundsforum.com/thread/2100/1968-beach-boys-beatles)
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2018, 05:47:04 AM »

Would In My Room count? That song charted in the US.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2018, 05:47:57 AM »

Would In My Room count? That song charted in the US.
In My Room is included on Surfer Girl album, so of course it counts.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2018, 09:50:55 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2018, 09:53:59 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

I'll admit that Brian's compositions are amazing, but to say The Beatles are just a beat group is like saying The Beach Boys are a surf band. 
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2018, 10:08:19 AM »

I was a high school sophomore in 1963. Nothing, I mean nothing could top the songs of the Beatles or the excitement that they created. And I was a huge Beach Boys fan back then.

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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2018, 10:08:25 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

Read Lewisohn. As inaccurate as saying the BBs never played on their records, or that the BBs were "just a surf/car" band, etc.

Geez, it's 2018 and someone is still doing this? It's bad when I actually hope comments like this are trolling.
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2018, 10:10:28 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

Read Lewisohn. As inaccurate as saying the BBs never played on their records, or that the BBs were "just a surf/car" band, etc.

Geez, it's 2018 and someone is still doing this? It's bad when I actually hope comments like this are trolling.

Considering pixletwin is running the Beatles Survivor game, I was a little taken aback by that comment. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2018, 10:13:51 AM »

1963 is a weird year to compare, especially concerning US fans, because the Beatles were hardly known in the US in 1963.

If we're going back and just comparing their recorded output during that calendar year, then the Beatles produced two far more unified, front-to-back excellent albums. The BBs albums had *great* material on them, some of which matched the Beatles. But there's also some filler as well.

More or less *every* Beatles song is celebrated as a classic, even from those early albums. McCartney could do "There's a Place" or "Chains" in concert today and the audience would still go nuts.

Nobody much has ever been waiting to hear any version of the BBs do "Stoked" again. Those early BB albums are interesting and I'm *not* dismissing the admittedly (and maybe partially accidental) groundbreaking work on those albums as part of the nascence of "garage/punk" sort of music.

But there really isn't a year where the BBs outmatch the Beatles. There are moments.
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2018, 10:14:59 AM »

1963 is a weird year to compare, especially concerning US fans, because the Beatles were hardly known in the US in 1963.

If we're going back and just comparing their recorded output during that calendar year, then the Beatles produced two far more unified, front-to-back excellent albums. The BBs albums had *great* material on them, some of which matched the Beatles. But there's also some filler as well.

More or less *every* Beatles song is celebrated as a classic, even from those early albums. McCartney could do "There's a Place" or "Chains" in concert today and the audience would still go nuts.

Nobody much has ever been waiting to hear any version of the BBs do "Stoked" again. Those early BB albums are interesting and I'm *not* dismissing the admittedly (and maybe partially accidental) groundbreaking work on those albums as part of the nascence of "garage/punk" sort of music.

But there really isn't a year where the BBs outmatch the Beatles. There are moments.

For pretty much those same reasons, I voted Beatles. 
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2018, 10:43:50 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

Read Lewisohn. As inaccurate as saying the BBs never played on their records, or that the BBs were "just a surf/car" band, etc.

Geez, it's 2018 and someone is still doing this? It's bad when I actually hope comments like this are trolling.

Geez. Not sure whose post you are referring to, but my post never inferred that the Beach Boys didn't play on their own records. Nor did I imply that the Beach Boys were just a surf/car band. I don't know where these overreactions came from, but sure has left me super confused.
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2018, 11:10:00 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

Read Lewisohn. As inaccurate as saying the BBs never played on their records, or that the BBs were "just a surf/car" band, etc.

Geez, it's 2018 and someone is still doing this? It's bad when I actually hope comments like this are trolling.

Geez. Not sure whose post you are referring to, but my post never inferred that the Beach Boys didn't play on their own records. Nor did I imply that the Beach Boys were just a surf/car band. I don't know where these overreactions came from, but sure has left me super confused.

Nobody is implying you said those things. My point was that saying the Beatles were "just a beat group" is *as inaccurate as saying the BBs were just a surf/car band*, etc.

Stuff like "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You" and "I Want to Hold You Hand" went well beyond what typical "beat groups" were doing.
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2018, 11:38:48 AM »

The Beach Boys. Brian's music had a golden quality to it compared to the Beatles who were just a beat group.

Read Lewisohn. As inaccurate as saying the BBs never played on their records, or that the BBs were "just a surf/car" band, etc.

Geez, it's 2018 and someone is still doing this? It's bad when I actually hope comments like this are trolling.

Geez. Not sure whose post you are referring to, but my post never inferred that the Beach Boys didn't play on their own records. Nor did I imply that the Beach Boys were just a surf/car band. I don't know where these overreactions came from, but sure has left me super confused.

Nobody is implying you said those things. My point was that saying the Beatles were "just a beat group" is *as inaccurate as saying the BBs were just a surf/car band*, etc.

Stuff like "Please Please Me" and "She Loves You" and "I Want to Hold You Hand" went well beyond what typical "beat groups" were doing.

I am going to have to disagree with you. It may be (and most certainly is) a simplification to classify them as such, but simplifying doesn't not equal inaccurate. On the contrary, I think both the beach boys and the Beatles of that period would have classified themselves the same way in 1963.
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2018, 11:54:01 AM »

But there really isn't a year where the BBs outmatch the Beatles. There are moments.

1966

Pet Sounds & Good Vibrations beats Revolver & Paperback Writer / Rain
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2018, 01:30:49 PM »

But there really isn't a year where the BBs outmatch the Beatles. There are moments.

1966

Pet Sounds & Good Vibrations beats Revolver & Paperback Writer / Rain

It's a pretty even match for me. I prefer Revolver over Pet Sounds but they are my #1 and #2 favourite album of all time. Meanwhile, I prefer Good Vibrations over PW/R; but The Beatles also put out Eleanor Rigby as a single and, for me, that's quite close to GV, even though GV still wins out. Best song of the year goes to God Only Knows.
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2018, 01:35:26 PM »

But there really isn't a year where the BBs outmatch the Beatles. There are moments.

1966

Pet Sounds & Good Vibrations beats Revolver & Paperback Writer / Rain

That's where it certainly gets really close I suppose, and of course I'm thankful I get to have both. I'd probably, both subjective and objectively, give the edge to "Revolver", and certainly "Good Vibrations", as with most BB singles, doesn't have the A/B one-two brand-new song punch that so many Beatles singles had, including PW/Rain. For whatever reason, Capitol continually stuck old album tracks from previous albums on new BB singles.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2018, 01:40:31 PM »

The Four Seasons.... Evil

J/K

The Beatles for consistency of work.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2018, 06:21:44 PM »

I myself voted for the Beatles. Their albums and singles released in this year are extraordinarily good from the "oldies" standard, where albums weren't important.

On the other hand, Surfer Girl is the only album The BBs releaased that can be compared with those Beatles albums. The rest two albums have their highlights, but as an album they fall flat.

As for singles, however, the BBs mostly were able to catch up with the Beatles, but nothing they did this year, at least to me, could equal the brilliance of Please Please Me and I Want to Hold Your Hand.
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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2018, 08:29:41 PM »

Don't know what's the problem with singing praises to BBs & picking them over Beatles. Some posters here take it waaay too seriously. It's funny, generally, to see people freak out when, for example, poster A says BBs made better music, in any Beatles vs. BBs thread.

Just relax. Nobody takes away Beatles' legendary status. Sure as hell nobody will forget it due to lotsa polls, articles, reviews, charts, musicians' opinions, radio rotations...

If huge Beatles fans & objective position standers write down points about why there's no question Beatles take the cake all-round, let them do it. Can't speak for everybody but it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I like BBs better.

1963 favorites - Surfin' USA, "Be True To Your School", "Little Saint Nick", "I Want To Hold Your Hand" & Paul's written great rocker in debut album, "I Saw Her Standing There". Doing the math, BBs win this year.

To get back to comparison discussion, actually we must be glad that BBs can't brag with such popularity & "the bestest band" title. They're famous, cemented their place in music history but not that famous. Casual people don't hear them daily, many don't even suspect about their existence. BBs' music isn't beaten to death by exposure. It's not weary, ubiquitous, anything like that.
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« Reply #21 on: January 06, 2018, 09:30:40 PM »

I'm a US fan, so i had to vote Beach Boys, based on what was released here in the states that year. Introducing the Beatles may or may not have been released stateside in 63, but it didn't get noticed until 64. Aside from that, we have 3 or 4 singles on Vee Jay and Swan that nobody noticed at the time. Of course it is 2018 and i have heard all of those records, but i don't believe any of them can compare with what the Beach Boys gave us that year - 3 albums chock full of great tunes. I think the Surfin' USA album is seriously underrated. Had it on again a few nights ago, absolutely love those instrumentals. Dennis may not have been much of a drummer in the early years, but Carl and David sure could cut it on guitar. And the BB's harmonies in 63 are miles ahead of the Fab Four.
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« Reply #22 on: January 07, 2018, 12:36:28 AM »

Easy for me, Beach Boys, every year, every time. No comparison.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2018, 12:01:53 PM »

I don't compare them based on popularity. If I did, then Barbra Ann would be better than You Still Believe In Me! Honestly, I think most of the Beatles songs before Rubber Soul are highly over rated. Lots of catchy songs, better on stage performers, and more press coverage. Surfer Girl was a step ahead of anyone in rocknroll musically as an album in my opinion in 1963.
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« Reply #24 on: January 07, 2018, 02:44:04 PM »

First, great idea polling based on preference only and strictly on released material per year. It's the simplest and, IMO, fairest set up. The only issue is a few songs were released as a single in one year and then included on an album the following year. In those instances I'm not going to consider the re-release of a song (unless the initial release took place in 1962).

Second, this is tough!!! Let's review...

Both groups released approx. 34 songs in '63 (feel free to check)...

Some of my favorite '63 Beach Boys songs: Surfin' USA, Shut Down, Lonely Sea, Surfer Girl, Catch A Wave, Little Deuce Coupe, In My Room, Hawaii, Ballad of Ole' Betsy, Be True To Your School, Little Saint Nick, The Lord's Prayer. I enjoy quite a few others, a lot (I'm listening to Your Summer Dream right now - love it!).

Some of my favorite '63 Beatles songs: Please Please Me, She Loves You, I'll Get You (yup!), I Want To Hold Your Hand, This Boy, There's A Place, Baby It's You, Anna (Go To Him), Twist and Shout, It Won't Be Long, All I've Got To Do, Please Mr. Postman, You Really Got A Hold On Me, Not A Second Time, Money (That's What I Want). To keep this short, I left off some classics (bye Paul  Wink).

Can it be a tie? Whoever I listened to last is my favorite...

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By the way, there was a similar thread a few years ago if you can't get enough of this topic...
http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,11806.0.html
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