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« Reply #425 on: December 13, 2018, 10:14:17 PM »

The new live set is up on Spotify.  Grin It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.
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« Reply #426 on: December 13, 2018, 11:13:07 PM »

The new live set is up on Spotify.  Grin It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.

Totally. Would love to hear Stephen Desper talk about how that was done for live shows. I'm assuming it was just duplicating the studio trickery in a live method on the fly on the mixing board?
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« Reply #427 on: December 13, 2018, 11:28:08 PM »

28   Their Hearts Were Full Of Springs (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)
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It's an attempt to make an onomatopeaia (or sound effect) for hearts full of springs.
 


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« Reply #428 on: December 13, 2018, 11:33:27 PM »

Friends (Live In Fargo, ND, 1968)

At 1:48 somebody in the band (who??) becomes the honorary BBs moyle, ad libbing "snip, snip, snip" LOL
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« Reply #429 on: December 13, 2018, 11:50:16 PM »

Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....
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« Reply #430 on: December 14, 2018, 12:42:24 AM »

Not available for purchase in my country.  Undecided Oh well, I can spend that money on the McCartney box, I guess.
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« Reply #431 on: December 14, 2018, 01:52:12 AM »

Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!

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« Reply #432 on: December 14, 2018, 04:11:47 AM »

The new live set is up on Spotify.  Grin It's really interesting to hear them recreate the sound effect on the intro to Do It Again.

Totally. Would love to hear Stephen Desper talk about how that was done for live shows. I'm assuming it was just duplicating the studio trickery in a live method on the fly on the mixing board?


IIRC Stephen Desper has talked about that on this messageboard. Maybe you'll find it with the search function. It was connected to this show in France in '69: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHdi3zW78pg
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« Reply #433 on: December 14, 2018, 06:20:22 AM »

Great memory, Rocker!


Do It Again

Michael talks longer than normal (prearranged) giving me extra time to set up for drum effect.

Note use of Phillips unit to produce Drum effect LIVE and Dennis love’s it

In second verse effect backs off to regular drum sound

Missed Mike cue while dealing with Phillips unit for next effect

Piano brought up to push beat along with organ

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« Reply #434 on: December 14, 2018, 06:55:32 AM »

Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

Hmmm, I think the Maharishi came on first, followed by The Beach Boys...David Leaf quoted one of the guys as saying the Maharishi was trying to lecture, while the crowd was crying out for The Beach Boys.
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« Reply #435 on: December 14, 2018, 07:09:20 AM »

Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!



First off, I'm not sure Kowalski was on the July summer '68 tour - I have an interview where he said that he and Ed Carter joined at the same time, and one of the first places they played was the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, which would make it the August '68 tour. Dennis Dragon once told me that he was on the Maharishi tour, and I think there's a chance that John Guerin may have been on the July tour (which makes sense musically, since they utilized a "big band" - meaning, jazz/swing-style - for that tour, and Guerin had a strong jazz background). Regardless, I tend to think that whoever the percussionist/auxiliary drummer was, he likely drummed only on the two songs for which Dennis was stagefront, those being "Friends" and "Little Bird". Now, on the December '68 U.K. tour, Kowalski was definitely on board, but I'm not sure he had to play the actual drums on anything - Denny had no leads at those shows, so the only possibility in my mind would be if Denny was playing the piano on "All I Want To Do", then obviously Kowalski would have to drum - but I'm not convinced that's the case, and in fact I think it more likely that Dennis just played the drums and Daryl the piano on that song live, like they did for most of the show. Have you ever seen the video of their June '69 Paris show? (it's on YouTube) At that one, Dennis plays the drums throughout the whole set (again, he had no vocal leads), and whoever the percussionist was, he stuck to percussion.
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« Reply #436 on: December 14, 2018, 08:38:56 AM »

Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

I was there and yes, it was downright awful. While the band was good, Mike conducted his own "sermonettes" between most songs, which no one in the audience cared about. Is there a syndrome in which one is obsessed with spewing one's thoughts and fondness for hearings one's voice? I remember the Maharishi arriving which became one of the biggest pee breaks I've ever seen at a show.
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« Reply #437 on: December 14, 2018, 08:46:28 AM »

OSD history lesson! Grin
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« Reply #438 on: December 14, 2018, 08:50:16 AM »

Which songs are Dennis playing drums and which are Kowalski?

So many questions!



First off, I'm not sure Kowalski was on the July summer '68 tour - I have an interview where he said that he and Ed Carter joined at the same time, and one of the first places they played was the Steel Pier in Atlantic City, which would make it the August '68 tour. Dennis Dragon once told me that he was on the Maharishi tour, and I think there's a chance that John Guerin may have been on the July tour (which makes sense musically, since they utilized a "big band" - meaning, jazz/swing-style - for that tour, and Guerin had a strong jazz background). Regardless, I tend to think that whoever the percussionist/auxiliary drummer was, he likely drummed on the two songs for which Dennis was stagefront, those being "Friends" and "Little Bird". Now, on the December '68 U.K. tour, Kowalski was definitely on board, but I'm not sure he had to play the actual drums on anything - Denny had no leads at those shows, so the only possibility in my mind would be if Denny was playing the piano on "All I Want To Do", then obviously Kowalski would have to drum - but I'm not convinced that's the case, and in fact I think it more likely that Dennis just played the drums and Daryl the piano on that song live, like they did for most of the show. Have you ever seen the video of their June '69 Paris show? (it's on YouTube) At that one, Dennis plays the drums throughout the whole set (again, he had no vocal leads), and whoever the percussionist was, he stuck to percussion.

I was at the Steel Pier show in 69. I was very close to the stage and man they were great. I seem to vaguely remember them having a few horns behind the band. For The BBs at the time, there was a good sized crowd. I also remember Carl being pissed that Dennis couldn't get the intro to Breakaway right on the first try.
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« Reply #439 on: December 14, 2018, 09:58:06 AM »

Hopefully these live recordings are good. The Lei'd shows and Wild Honey tour felt a little flat, despite a strong set list. We're in for a treat if all the 1968 shows have the quality of Friends and Little Bird from MiC.

That is if the recordings are audible under Mike's incessant talking and ego. As one guy put it well back then, "shut up".

edit: they are really good, especially the later shows. I think making Mike shut up would've been the best on-stage decision they never made.

In hindsight it's easy to understand why this era represented a sort of low-point. Their music, while very beautiful, had a very low commercial appeal (exempting Do It Again and possibly I Can Hear Music), they wore those awful white polyester suits while performing and the few who actually went to their shows had to endure Mike Love. Even Bruce had an insufferable sense of humour. I can't imagine what was going through the audience's minds when at last the Maharishi came on to deliver his 30 minute sermon to close the show....

I was there and yes, it was downright awful. While the band was good, Mike conducted his own "sermonettes" between most songs, which no one in the audience cared about. Is there a syndrome in which one is obsessed with spewing one's thoughts and fondness for hearings one's voice? I remember the Maharishi arriving which became one of the biggest pee breaks I've ever seen at a show.

The Maharishi tour was one of the most ill-conceived ideas the band ever had, and at least some people got to hear the band play versus the dates where the few who did show up at the venue found a mostly empty hall and the announcement the show was canceled.

Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.

The shame is the music as usual was rock-solid if not transcendent, and they absolutely didn't need schtick and gimmicks like TM lectures and hundreds of flowers on stage and Mike's sermons to get the audiences into the music itself.

What a bizarre time for the band.
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« Reply #440 on: December 14, 2018, 10:02:45 AM »

Didn’t BW front a ton of his OWN money for it too? Undecided
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Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?
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« Reply #442 on: December 14, 2018, 10:36:33 AM »



Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?

Not outright mocking, but listen and judge for yourself: I posted the video on YouTube! Actually, audio with still photos since the actual video doesn't exist and only some home film clips of the appearance (what I call primitive kinescopes) exist. Here's the link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE
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Then you had Lennon and McCartney referencing it on the Tonight Show a few months later, which garnered one of the largest audiences for that show in the 60's, and it didn't bode well for the band who didn't need more bad press after two tours which were basically scotched as soon as they got started.



I don't know the details on this... did John and Paul mock the BBs for doing the tour with the Maharishi when the subject of him came up?

Not outright mocking, but listen and judge for yourself: I posted the video on YouTube! Actually, audio with still photos since the actual video doesn't exist and only some home film clips of the appearance (what I call primitive kinescopes) exist. Here's the link:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKLX2DsltaE

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« Reply #444 on: December 14, 2018, 02:17:49 PM »

Bought the new set on iTunes, organized it into a playlist for each concert, and have been listening. I'm loving the detail of the sound on this release. Might there be a remastered Live in London in our future? The first show from Finsbury Park Astoria sounds great!
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« Reply #445 on: December 15, 2018, 09:55:22 AM »

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed, but does anybody know why I'm Going Your Way (California Slide) wasn't a part of these releases? I think it's definitely a great song with even hit potential back in the days...
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« Reply #446 on: December 15, 2018, 10:00:35 AM »

I might be wrong, but I think I'm Going Your Way was from the sessions for Sunflower, not 20/20, so it will most likely be released next year.
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« Reply #447 on: December 15, 2018, 10:06:43 AM »

Right the session for that song was in July 1969
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« Reply #448 on: December 15, 2018, 11:28:53 AM »

I had no idea John Guerin ever played with the beach boys. Just read about him in the Joni Mithchell biography that came out recently. The musicians she was using weren't getting what she wanted so someone suggested she get jazz musicians and she found him along with the LA Express (also Jaco Pastorious). Her and John were together for a few years and broke up mid-tour and the rest of the tour was cancelled. (sorry if slightly off topic)
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« Reply #449 on: December 15, 2018, 12:17:41 PM »

I had no idea John Guerin ever played with the beach boys. Just read about him in the Joni Mithchell biography that came out recently. The musicians she was using weren't getting what she wanted so someone suggested she get jazz musicians and she found him along with the LA Express (also Jaco Pastorious). Her and John were together for a few years and broke up mid-tour and the rest of the tour was cancelled. (sorry if slightly off topic)

He definitely did some sessions for them, starting with overdubs on "Do It Again", and I remember reading something somewhere that led me to believe he also toured with them, however briefly. If so, the summer '68 "big band" tour was the likely time.
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