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« on: December 04, 2017, 06:06:50 PM »

Doesn't The Beach Boys Love You strike you as a continuation of modular composition?
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« Reply #1 on: December 04, 2017, 06:19:57 PM »

That's very interesting. Never thought of it that way.
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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2017, 07:22:07 PM »

Doesn't The Beach Boys Love You strike you as a continuation of modular composition?

Could you further explain what you mean by this? Any discussion about Love You is a great discussion :-)
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 03:19:33 AM »

Doesn't The Beach Boys Love You strike you as a continuation of modular composition?

Could you further explain what you mean by this? Any discussion about Love You is a great discussion :-)

I was about to ask the same thing.

I love this album.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 03:29:57 AM »

Sounds like a subject I could warm to! Good call, Bissonic.

Oh, and welcome! :=)
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 04:24:17 AM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 09:07:05 AM »

Don't see it as modular.  The songs seem to have been written as complete songs, demo'd that way by Brian, no switching about of parts from one song to the other.  don't know if they were RECORDED modular like Smiley Smile and some of Wild Honey was, recording parts of the song and editing them together rather than performing them all the way through.
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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 09:11:59 AM »

Don't see it as modular.  The songs seem to have been written as complete songs, demo'd that way by Brian, no switching about of parts from one song to the other.  don't know if they were RECORDED modular like Smiley Smile and some of Wild Honey was, recording parts of the song and editing them together rather than performing them all the way through.

I would agree with this. As much as I'd wished for our new member Bissonic to have kickstarted a 1,000 page discussion thread that would have put the Hoffmannites to eternal shame, I really don't think Love You was constructed in a similar way to SMiLE.

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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 09:12:51 AM »

The music on Love You is not modular composition.
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« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 09:26:21 AM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.
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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 09:35:53 AM »

Smiley Smile is a continuation of modular composition, Wild Honey is a semi-continuation of modular recording, and to a lesser extent some of the stuff after Friends like Can't Wait Too Long, maybe Ol' Man River and the Walk On By Burt Bacharach medley that wasn't finished, but...definitely not Love You. Brian's songwriting around Love You was some of his most fully formed and conventionally structured ever. The tag for Airplane is like, the one exception. Last time that approach was properly used on a BB song would probably be Cool Cool Water in 1970 and stitching together those sections was mainly Carl and Desper's thing. I guess Mount Vernon kind of continues the Smile feel ethos?
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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 11:57:38 AM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

Never looked at it like that, but great observation
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« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 01:06:50 PM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

I'd take it back to All Summer Long. Chuck Today in too.
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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 01:39:32 PM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

I'd take it back to All Summer Long. Chuck Today in too.

I think I left it at four albums because it's a more concise "story", but since there are no rules those albums definitely work too. From adolescence to old age.
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« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2017, 09:47:42 PM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

Good observation!
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« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2017, 10:51:40 PM »

The Beach Boys Love You is a train wreck. And we can't look away.  Shocked
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« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2017, 11:20:19 PM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

I do see Pet Sounds, Friends, and Love You in that succession. NPP, not so much. From his solo career, BW88 came closest to being another of those biographical records - all IMHO.
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« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2017, 11:46:03 PM »

The Beach Boys Love You is a train wreck. And we can't look away.  Shocked

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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2017, 03:01:16 AM »

Now that you mentioned, some tracks can be seen as modular. Johnny Carson, Airplane... However, for me it's always been adult version of Pet Sounds. Adult yet child, whereas PS was between those two, young adult.

Agreed. Iíve seen Pet Sounds as the start of a series of albums about Brianís life:

Pet Sounds - young love
Friends - young adult, has children, starts real life
Love You - 10 years into parenthood but nostalgic about the past
No Pier Pressure - old man, trying to recapture youth with young artists, ends it with a ďlast songĒ

I feel like these are 4 of Brianís most personal albums. Most other albums he did were for something else other than himself, but these four feel like Brian opens up his inner most thoughts, no matter how ridiculous, and shares them with the world.

I do see Pet Sounds, Friends, and Love You in that succession. NPP, not so much. From his solo career, BW88 came closest to being another of those biographical records - all IMHO.

Yeah, I can get that...and BW88 sounds more like Love You (Iíve at least always thought it was like Love You part II mostly due to the synths and quirkiness of some songs). But I chose NPP for two reasons:

- because of how honest the song ĎIím Feeling Sadí is
- tracks 11-16, from Love to anxiety those songs all seem like Brian is really singing about himself (including the Ruess track where the singer talks about just sitting at a table in a corner on a Saturday night).

With BW88 Brian wasnít really able to be honest about his life thanks to Landy. But in ĎIím Feeling Sadí Brian admits to the whole world that he parks himself in a recliner and feels depressed. Even in the upbeat ĎSail Awayí he sings about his ďso-called life spinning out of controlĒ. Idk, itís definitely up to the listener, but aspects of NPP feel more autobiographical than BW88.
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2017, 11:37:53 AM »

Surely TLOS fits this criterion also?
Oxygen, Goin Home etc
Although Mr B did do much of those lyrics
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« Reply #20 on: December 06, 2017, 12:26:11 PM »

Surely TLOS fits this criterion also?
Oxygen, Goin Home etc
Although Mr B did do much of those lyrics

Iíve always thought of TLOS being a biography of California, and not really about Brian (excluding MAD, which is one of Brianís most personal songs).
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« Reply #21 on: December 06, 2017, 12:38:12 PM »

Any discussion about Love You is a great discussion :-)

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