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« Reply #275 on: January 21, 2018, 09:43:48 AM »

I was listening to Sunday With Sinatra with Sid Mark this morning (Philly radio), and a radio ad for the Parx casino and entertainment complex was aired...which mentioned a May 8th show with Brian and the PS tour! Parx is in Bensalem, PA just outside Philly for those in the area who could attend.

It caught my ear because unless I missed it, this May 8th show in Bensalem is not yet on the Parx website, nor is it listed on BW's site. It would make sense since he's already booked for the Kennedy Center May 7th, yet has three shows in Nashville with the symphony May 10-12.

I'm waiting to see more on this, like a confirmation, denial, correction, or official listing.  Smiley
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« Reply #276 on: January 21, 2018, 09:48:50 AM »

Thanks GF! I may have to make my way up there for this one.
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« Reply #277 on: January 22, 2018, 09:35:42 AM »

Hooray!

Every time I think it's gonna be the last time....

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« Reply #278 on: January 22, 2018, 02:00:17 PM »

Interesting -- Brian's also doing some non-PS shows:

http://gazette.com/beach-boy-brian-wilson-set-to-bring-surf-sounds-to-colorado-springs/article/1619508

BEACH BOY BRIAN WILSON SET TO BRING SURF SOUNDS TO COLORADO SPRINGS
By: Jen Mulson
January 22, 2018

Beach Boys co-founder and Grammy Award-winner Brian Wilson will bring his "Greatest Hits Live Tour" to Pikes Peak Center this spring.

The concert will feature the iconic surf music the group has brought to life since 1961. Special guest and Beach Boys co-founder Al Jardine also will perform. The show is April 18.

Tickets are $55 and go on sale at 10 a.m. Friday. Call 520-7469 or go online to pikespeakcenter.com or broadmoorworldarena.com.
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« Reply #279 on: January 22, 2018, 02:05:39 PM »

Interesting -- Brian's also doing some non-PS shows:

http://gazette.com/beach-boy-brian-wilson-set-to-bring-surf-sounds-to-colorado-springs/article/1619508

BEACH BOY BRIAN WILSON SET TO BRING SURF SOUNDS TO COLORADO SPRINGS
By: Jen Mulson
January 22, 2018

Beach Boys co-founder and Grammy Award-winner Brian Wilson will bring his "Greatest Hits Live Tour" to Pikes Peak Center this spring.

The concert will feature the iconic surf music the group has brought to life since 1961. Special guest and Beach Boys co-founder Al Jardine also will perform. The show is April 18.

Tickets are $55 and go on sale at 10 a.m. Friday. Call 520-7469 or go online to pikespeakcenter.com or broadmoorworldarena.com.

Interesting! I'm still wondering if 2018 may be a year of more scattered dates and small clusters of shows. More active than 2014 clearly, but less so than the subsequent few years.
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« Reply #280 on: January 26, 2018, 08:18:46 AM »


Only for you, Brian. A third row seat costs $134 with fees....but I did it anyway. Looking forward to seeing the man, and hopefully some of you! Come say hi. I'm forever wearing a Pet Sounds shirt.
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« Reply #281 on: January 26, 2018, 04:50:35 PM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9
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« Reply #282 on: January 29, 2018, 07:16:30 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

I can't be the only person that finds this pretty interesting. Here's the full NA list from Pollstar in case anybody is interested:

https://www.pollstar.com/Chart/2018/01/2017YearEndTop200NorthAmericanTours_622.pdf

Guess what else is interesting? While Brian grossed $8.5 million off of approx. 60 North American shows, and Mike grossed $6.9 million off of approx. 91 North American shows tracked by Pollstar, guess how the C50 tour did in 2012?

$15 million gross off of only 50 North American dates dates.

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« Reply #283 on: January 29, 2018, 07:26:23 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

I can't be the only person that finds this pretty interesting. Here's the full NA list from Pollstar in case anybody is interested:

https://www.pollstar.com/Chart/2018/01/2017YearEndTop200NorthAmericanTours_622.pdf

Guess what else is interesting? While Brian grossed $8.5 million off of approx. 60 North American shows, and Mike grossed $6.9 million off of approx. 91 North American shows tracked by Pollstar, guess how the C50 tour did in 2012?

$15 million gross off of only 50 North American dates dates.


LOL Ha, ha! myKe had to do 31 more shows than Brian to make less! Liking that aspect of it for sure.  Razz
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« Reply #284 on: January 29, 2018, 08:48:07 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

So, Brian's charging more then.   
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« Reply #285 on: January 29, 2018, 09:33:02 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

So, Brian's charging more then.  

Or, another way to look at it is that Brian is *able* to charge more. Or, potentially, people *aren't* willing to pay as much to see Mike.

It's right there in the chart; Brian's average ticket price is about $80 and Mike's is about $60. Which sounds right to me. While they play some of the same venues, Brian doesn't do as many small market gigs, fairs, festivals, etc. Brian's tour also hasn't been coming around to pretty much every market, every year, for decades and decades.

Brian's tour also has a much larger overhead than Mike's does, so it's not like all of that ticket price premium is going to straight to Brian's pockets. That extra $20 per ticket gets you a larger band (including another original Beach Boy, and three Beach Boys total), sometimes nicer venues, typically a less "casual" audience, etc.

Mike's a bottom line business guy; I'm sure he charges precisely what he can. If added a 33% premium on average to his ticket prices, he's surely sell less tickets. He has also dug himself a hole (to the degree grossing $7 million plus probably another $5-7 or more from corporate gigs and international dates is a "hole") by over-touring. Mike could easily charge "Brian prices" or "C50 prices" if he actually built up demand by taking a year or two off, or doing something other than 150-175 shows *per year, every year.*
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« Reply #286 on: January 29, 2018, 09:43:46 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

So, Brian's charging more then.  

Or, another way to look at it is that Brian is *able* to charge more. Or, potentially, people *aren't* willing to pay as much to see Mike.

It's right there in the chart; Brian's average ticket price is about $80 and Mike's is about $60. Which sounds right to me. While they play some of the same venues, Brian doesn't do as many small market gigs, fairs, festivals, etc. Brian's tour also hasn't been coming around to pretty much every market, every year, for decades and decades.

Brian's tour also has a much larger overhead than Mike's does, so it's not like all of that ticket price premium is going to straight to Brian's pockets. That extra $20 per ticket gets you a larger band (including another original Beach Boy, and three Beach Boys total), sometimes nicer venues, typically a less "casual" audience, etc.

Mike's a bottom line business guy; I'm sure he charges precisely what he can. If added a 33% premium on average to his ticket prices, he's surely sell less tickets. He has also dug himself a hole (to the degree grossing $7 million plus probably another $5-7 or more from corporate gigs and international dates is a "hole") by over-touring. Mike could easily charge "Brian prices" or "C50 prices" if he actually built up demand by taking a year or two off, or doing something other than 150-175 shows *per year, every year.*

It seems Brian has been able to charge more by adding two words to the ticket - "Pet Sounds."

I attended two shows on the NPP Tour in 2015.  I had 5th show seats for one, and 2nd show seats for another.   The face value of each ticket was around $60.  Which is pretty much the same price I paid to see Mike's Beach Boys in 2015 and 2016.

However, the 2016 Pet Sounds show I attended was a $99 face value for a 25th row ticket.  (I was fortunate enough to receive a free fair of tickets to the other PS show I attended). 

I know it's just the nature of the beast.   Roger Waters also charged more money when I saw him tour on Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, as opposed to his In the Flesh Tour.   But, I think it's worth noting if we're comparing how much each tour is grossing. 
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« Reply #287 on: January 29, 2018, 10:01:57 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

So, Brian's charging more then.  

Or, another way to look at it is that Brian is *able* to charge more. Or, potentially, people *aren't* willing to pay as much to see Mike.

It's right there in the chart; Brian's average ticket price is about $80 and Mike's is about $60. Which sounds right to me. While they play some of the same venues, Brian doesn't do as many small market gigs, fairs, festivals, etc. Brian's tour also hasn't been coming around to pretty much every market, every year, for decades and decades.

Brian's tour also has a much larger overhead than Mike's does, so it's not like all of that ticket price premium is going to straight to Brian's pockets. That extra $20 per ticket gets you a larger band (including another original Beach Boy, and three Beach Boys total), sometimes nicer venues, typically a less "casual" audience, etc.

Mike's a bottom line business guy; I'm sure he charges precisely what he can. If added a 33% premium on average to his ticket prices, he's surely sell less tickets. He has also dug himself a hole (to the degree grossing $7 million plus probably another $5-7 or more from corporate gigs and international dates is a "hole") by over-touring. Mike could easily charge "Brian prices" or "C50 prices" if he actually built up demand by taking a year or two off, or doing something other than 150-175 shows *per year, every year.*

It seems Brian has been able to charge more by adding two words to the ticket - "Pet Sounds."

I attended two shows on the NPP Tour in 2015.  I had 5th show seats for one, and 2nd show seats for another.   The face value of each ticket was around $60.  Which is pretty much the same price I paid to see Mike's Beach Boys in 2015 and 2016.

However, the 2016 Pet Sounds show I attended was a $99 face value for a 25th row ticket.  (I was fortunate enough to receive a free fair of tickets to the other PS show I attended).  

I know it's just the nature of the beast.   Roger Waters also charged more money when I saw him tour on Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, as opposed to his In the Flesh Tour.   But, I think it's worth noting if we're comparing how much each tour is grossing.  

To the main point, Brian can charge more for tickets, so he does. And??

I'm not sure why doing "Pet Sounds" shows is framed as if it's some sort of cheat or loophole. Mike was and is free to do a "Pet Sounds" tour too if he wanted. Let's see if he can add a premium on his ticket price then.

The main reason Brian is even on the list is because he's done far more total shows in the last two years than in most previous years.

To the specific point of ticket prices, I'm not sure your singular experience speaks to an overall trend of a higher ticket price for PS shows. I think Brian has always been on the higher end of ticket prices for his type of show, and his higher grosses over the last couple of years is more about doing more total shows in more markets. Here's a rough run down of some of the BW shows and ticket prices I've experienced:

1999 - Warfield Theater, San Francisco - $39.50 (balcony, because the floor only had basically nightclub-style tables)
2000 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $80 (Pet Sounds tour, no orchestra, second row seats)
2001 - Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View - $68.50 (Paul Simon tour, lower reserved section, but was only a 70 min. show)
2004 - Davies Symphony Hall, San Francisco - $65.50 (about 15 or so rows from the front)
2005 - Greek Theatre, Berkeley - $80 (reserved set in the second section back)
2007 - Paramount Theatre, Oakland - $65 (Pet Sounds tour, bottom section, but a ways back)
2007 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $85 (near the back of the small floor seating section)
2013 - Paramount Theatre, Oakland - $105 (Jeff Beck tour, lower reserved section but a ways back)
2015 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $129 (NPP tour, lower reserved about 10 rows-ish back)
2015 - Davies Symphony Hall, San Francisco - $135 (lower reserved, but not super close)
2016 - The Masonic, San Francisco - $98 (Pet Sounds tour, lower reserved, but a ways back)

Each of the two 2015 BW shows I attended were the most expensive, and neither were PS shows. Obviously, each show doesn't have precisely equivalent seating sections, so in some cases I was in the first, second, or third tier. But in most cases, I was usually going for first or second tier and simply "best available." And I usually only went for second tier seats for venues where I was familiar with the minimal benefit of the top tier based on their seating map.

I even saw both a PS show and a non-PS show in 2007, and the non-PS show was more expensive. And Al was at both shows.
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« Reply #288 on: January 29, 2018, 10:10:36 AM »

Brian made it on to the highest grossing tours of 2017 list, 8.5 million for the North American tour.

That's the 2017 NA tour alone

Funny, the Beach Boys grossed less with 6.9

So, Brian's charging more then.  

Or, another way to look at it is that Brian is *able* to charge more. Or, potentially, people *aren't* willing to pay as much to see Mike.

It's right there in the chart; Brian's average ticket price is about $80 and Mike's is about $60. Which sounds right to me. While they play some of the same venues, Brian doesn't do as many small market gigs, fairs, festivals, etc. Brian's tour also hasn't been coming around to pretty much every market, every year, for decades and decades.

Brian's tour also has a much larger overhead than Mike's does, so it's not like all of that ticket price premium is going to straight to Brian's pockets. That extra $20 per ticket gets you a larger band (including another original Beach Boy, and three Beach Boys total), sometimes nicer venues, typically a less "casual" audience, etc.

Mike's a bottom line business guy; I'm sure he charges precisely what he can. If added a 33% premium on average to his ticket prices, he's surely sell less tickets. He has also dug himself a hole (to the degree grossing $7 million plus probably another $5-7 or more from corporate gigs and international dates is a "hole") by over-touring. Mike could easily charge "Brian prices" or "C50 prices" if he actually built up demand by taking a year or two off, or doing something other than 150-175 shows *per year, every year.*

It seems Brian has been able to charge more by adding two words to the ticket - "Pet Sounds."

I attended two shows on the NPP Tour in 2015.  I had 5th show seats for one, and 2nd show seats for another.   The face value of each ticket was around $60.  Which is pretty much the same price I paid to see Mike's Beach Boys in 2015 and 2016.

However, the 2016 Pet Sounds show I attended was a $99 face value for a 25th row ticket.  (I was fortunate enough to receive a free fair of tickets to the other PS show I attended).  

I know it's just the nature of the beast.   Roger Waters also charged more money when I saw him tour on Dark Side of the Moon and The Wall, as opposed to his In the Flesh Tour.   But, I think it's worth noting if we're comparing how much each tour is grossing.  

To the main point, Brian can charge more for tickets, so he does. And??

I'm not sure why doing "Pet Sounds" shows is framed as if it's some sort of cheat or loophole. Mike was and is free to do a "Pet Sounds" tour too if he wanted. Let's see if he can add a premium on his ticket price then.

The main reason Brian is even on the list is because he's done far more total shows in the last two years than in most previous years.

To the specific point of ticket prices, I'm not sure your singular experience speaks to an overall trend of a higher ticket price for PS shows. I think Brian has always been on the higher end of ticket prices for his type of show, and his higher grosses over the last couple of years is more about doing more total shows in more markets. Here's a rough run down of some of the BW shows and ticket prices I've experienced:

1999 - Warfield Theater, San Francisco - $39.50 (balcony, because the floor only had basically nightclub-style tables)
2000 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $80 (Pet Sounds tour, no orchestra, second row seats)
2001 - Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View - $68.50 (Paul Simon tour, lower reserved section, but was only a 70 min. show)
2004 - Davies Symphony Hall, San Francisco - $65.50 (about 15 or so rows from the front)
2005 - Greek Theatre, Berkeley - $80 (reserved set in the second section back)
2007 - Paramount Theatre, Oakland - $65 (Pet Sounds tour, bottom section, but a ways back)
2007 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $85 (near the back of the small floor seating section)
2013 - Paramount Theatre, Oakland - $105 (Jeff Beck tour, lower reserved section but a ways back)
2015 - Mountain Winery, Saratoga - $129 (NPP tour, lower reserved about 10 rows-ish back)
2015 - Davies Symphony Hall, San Francisco - $135 (lower reserved, but not super close)
2016 - The Masonic, San Francisco - $98 (Pet Sounds tour, lower reserved, but a ways back)

Each of the two 2015 BW shows I attended were the most expensive, and neither were PS shows. Obviously, each show doesn't have precisely equivalent seating sections, so in some cases I was in the first, second, or third tier. But in most cases, I was usually going for first or second tier and simply "best available." And I usually only went for second tier seats for venues where I was familiar with the minimal benefit of the top tier based on their seating map.

I even saw both a PS show and a non-PS show in 2007, and the non-PS show was more expensive. And Al was at both shows.

You can frame it however you want. 

But, the point of my post was that Brian's tour grossed over $2M more than Mike's because he charged more.  Plain and simple.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong.  But, I think it's skewed logic to sit back and chuckle, saying "Hey Brian made X amount more than Mike." 
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« Reply #289 on: January 29, 2018, 10:29:38 AM »

You can frame it however you want.  

But, the point of my post was that Brian's tour grossed over $2M more than Mike's because he charged more.  Plain and simple.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong.  But, I think it's skewed logic to sit back and chuckle, saying "Hey Brian made X amount more than Mike."  

I don't think sitting back and chuckling accomplishes anything.

But you seem to want to frame Brian charging more as if it's an exception/option only available to Brian.

Mike could attempt to charge the same amount as Brian does for tickets, and could do a "Pet Sounds" tour if he wanted. The reason he doesn't do either of those things is undoubtedly because he can't and won't and would see a drop in ticket sales.

The fact that 2016 and 2017 have been the first years in ages (if ever) that Brian has done anything *approaching* the number of shows Mike does has resulted in a *very* instructive and for once valid comparison/contrast between the two touring bands.

Brian can charge more than Mike can. So he does. Again, if Mike could charge 33% more per ticket, he would without a doubt do just that. The reason Mike can't charge as much as Brian for tickets is obviously up for debate, but there are some pretty strong, obvious potential reasons:

1. Mike over-tours and thus dilutes his market
2. Brian is more of a prestige artist PR/image-wise, and thus brings in an audience that can and will pay more
3. Brian is willing to shell out for a larger, bigger production in terms of number of musicians
4. Brian is, often times, willing and able to do full albums front-to-back, which certainly is an angle to market a tour with
5. Brian's tour has more original Beach Boys in it than Mike's band, and has more total Beach Boys in it than Mike's has, and the second (and third) Beach Boy in Brian's band is a much more prominently placed member with more lead vocals and showcase numbers

The original statistic cited in the first post to bring this topic up was Total Gross dollars, not total number of tickets sold. So, saying Brian grossed more money because he charged more for his tickets doesn't take any epic sleuthing.
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« Reply #290 on: January 29, 2018, 10:34:22 AM »

The Pollstar stats also show that Brian not only grossed more total dollars, but had an average ticket sale figure (presumably a per-show average) of 1,755 versus Mike's 1,248.

So choice of venue and total number of tickets sold per show/venue also play a role in addition to pricing.

Brian, seemingly, can not only justify a higher ticket price than Mike, but can on average justify larger venues and can thus sell more tickets per show.
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« Reply #291 on: January 29, 2018, 10:35:04 AM »

You can frame it however you want.  

But, the point of my post was that Brian's tour grossed over $2M more than Mike's because he charged more.  Plain and simple.  I'm not saying it's right or wrong.  But, I think it's skewed logic to sit back and chuckle, saying "Hey Brian made X amount more than Mike."  

I don't think sitting back and chuckling accomplishes anything.

But you seem to want to frame Brian charging more as if it's an exception/option only available to Brian.

Mike could attempt to charge the same amount as Brian does for tickets, and could do a "Pet Sounds" tour if he wanted. The reason he doesn't do either of those things is undoubtedly because he can't and won't and would see a drop in ticket sales.

The fact that 2016 and 2017 have been the first years in ages (if ever) that Brian has done anything *approaching* the number of shows Mike does has resulted in a *very* instructive and for once valid comparison/contrast between the two touring bands.

Brian can charge more than Mike can. So he does. Again, if Mike could charge 33% more per ticket, he would without a doubt do just that. The reason Mike can't charge as much as Brian for tickets is obviously up for debate, but there are some pretty strong, obvious potential reasons:

1. Mike over-tours and thus dilutes his market
2. Brian is more of a prestige artist PR/image-wise, and thus brings in an audience that can and will pay more
3. Brian is willing to shell out for a larger, bigger production in terms of number of musicians
4. Brian is, often times, willing and able to do full albums front-to-back, which certainly is an angle to market a tour with
5. Brian's tour has more Beach Boys original Beach Boys in it than Mike's band, and has more total Beach Boys in it than Mike's has, and the second (and third) Beach Boy in Brian's band is a much more prominently placed member with more lead vocals and showcase numbers

The original statistic cited in the first post to bring this topic up was Total Gross dollars, not total number of tickets sold. So, saying Brian grossed more money because he charged more for his tickets doesn't take any epic sleuthing.

I agree sitting back and chuckling does nothing.  But, I saw that many of Mike's naysayers were really quick to jump on that gross revenue number.  
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« Reply #292 on: January 29, 2018, 10:40:46 AM »

And Mike's defenders were quick to say "Brian charges more".

KDS, could you accept that maybe in 2017 it was as simple as Brian's tour did better than Mike's, or Mike's ticket sales declined? It feels like the same non-logic (#MottLogic ? ) that was used when the 2012 C50 numbers were parsed and spun to try to justify Mike's claims that C50 was losing money when the numbers don't back up that claim.
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« Reply #293 on: January 29, 2018, 10:41:37 AM »

Well, I would say from an objective industry/music history observation point, that statistic is a bit surprising and potentially embarrassing for Mike.

Brian (and Al), who have at times been harangued by "friendly reminders" from legal to not too prominently notate their "Original Beach Boy" status in advertisements have, in the aftermath of Mike *leaving* their fully formed, reunited group (which did and would gross more than EITHER band), managed to out-gross Mike's tour.

I personally think Mike's numbers speak more to his over-touring and diluting the market than it does some huge anti-Mike sentiment among potential ticket-buyers. The average Joe *not* always buying a ticket to Mike's shows isn't passing on it because they think Mike's a jerk. They're sometimes passing on it because Mikes comes by every year, year after year.

But yeah, when you *leave* the other guys in your band, take the band name with you, and the other guys gross more money, it's not crazy to say that some would find that embarrassing.
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« Reply #294 on: January 29, 2018, 10:42:58 AM »

And Mike's defenders were quick to say "Brian charges more".

KDS, could you accept that maybe in 2017 it was as simple as Brian's tour did better than Mike's, or Mike's ticket sales declined? It feels like the same non-logic (#MottLogic ? ) that was used when the 2012 C50 numbers were parsed and spun to try to justify Mike's claims that C50 was losing money when the numbers don't back up that claim.

I accept the fact that Brian's tour grossed more.   
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« Reply #295 on: January 29, 2018, 10:46:57 AM »

And Mike's defenders were quick to say "Brian charges more".

KDS, could you accept that maybe in 2017 it was as simple as Brian's tour did better than Mike's, or Mike's ticket sales declined? It feels like the same non-logic (#MottLogic ? ) that was used when the 2012 C50 numbers were parsed and spun to try to justify Mike's claims that C50 was losing money when the numbers don't back up that claim.

I accept the fact that Brian's tour grossed more.  

I think the idea here is to see if there any takeaways from it beyond the statistic itself. "Ha ha! Brian sold more than Mike!" isn't a worthwhile takeaway.

But "geez, maybe Mike's overtouring and the higher end concert goer having more respect for Brian's show than Mike's" is something more along the lines of worthwhile takeaways.

Another takeaway is that Brian (and Al) should be commended (to the degree going out and touring warrants such) for breaking out post-C50 *without* the band name behind them and outgrossing the licensed tour. It ain't easy, even for *Brian Wilson*, to break away from a huge trademark like "The Beach Boys" and perform so well.
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« Reply #296 on: January 29, 2018, 10:51:08 AM »

And Mike's defenders were quick to say "Brian charges more".

KDS, could you accept that maybe in 2017 it was as simple as Brian's tour did better than Mike's, or Mike's ticket sales declined? It feels like the same non-logic (#MottLogic ? ) that was used when the 2012 C50 numbers were parsed and spun to try to justify Mike's claims that C50 was losing money when the numbers don't back up that claim.

I accept the fact that Brian's tour grossed more.  

I think the idea here is to see if there any takeaways from it beyond the statistic itself. "Ha ha! Brian sold more than Mike!" isn't a worthwhile takeaway.

But "geez, maybe Mike's overtouring and the higher end concert goer having more respect for Brian's show than Mike's" is something more along the lines of worthwhile takeaways.

Another takeaway is that Brian (and Al) should be commended (to the degree going out and touring warrants such) for breaking out post-C50 *without* the band name behind them and outgrossing the licensed tour. It ain't easy, even for *Brian Wilson*, to break away from a huge trademark like "The Beach Boys" and perform so well.

Another thing to consider is that Brian's band has done pretty well touring with Pet Sounds on the marque and ticket stubs, so much so that more Pet Sounds shows were scheduled for 2018. 

Although, it's good to see at least one show so far doesn't have that banner. 
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« Reply #297 on: January 29, 2018, 10:53:49 AM »

Another thing to consider is that Brian's band has done pretty well touring with Pet Sounds on the marque and ticket stubs, so much so that more Pet Sounds shows were scheduled for 2018. 

Although, it's good to see at least one show so far doesn't have that banner. 

Brian is undoubtedly getting more total bookings based on the shows being PS shows. I don't think it's vastly impacting per-ticket prices.

But again, Mike was and is free to do the same type of tour himself.
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« Reply #298 on: January 29, 2018, 10:56:24 AM »

Another thing to consider is that Brian's band has done pretty well touring with Pet Sounds on the marque and ticket stubs, so much so that more Pet Sounds shows were scheduled for 2018. 

Although, it's good to see at least one show so far doesn't have that banner. 

Brian is undoubtedly getting more total bookings based on the shows being PS shows. I don't think it's vastly impacting per-ticket prices.

But again, Mike was and is free to do the same type of tour himself.

I'll respectfully disagree.   At least in my market, Brian's ticket prices spiked for the Pet Sounds Tour.   Again, like I said, I don't think Brian's wrong by doing this, many artists do.   I'm sure Chicago tickets in 2018 will be a little pricier since they just announced they're playing Chicago II front to back. 
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« Reply #299 on: January 29, 2018, 10:57:09 AM »

There's unquestionably a series of drawbacks (on the fan side of things) when touring acts get super-huge. Look at many of the top grossers. It's a lot of bloated, binoculars-required stadium shows and arena shows.

Two of the highest per-ticket price averages? Vegas residencies from Britney Spears and Celine Dion, where the shows are shorter.

Ironically, I agree with Howie Edelson that a 2013 (or 2014) Vegas residency would have been perfect for keeping the reunion together. It would have streamlined the whole process, kept TONS of money rolling in, and would have largely eliminated any warring managerial factions.
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