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« on: August 02, 2017, 11:18:13 AM »

It was 30 years ago that the Fat Boys released their album Crushin'. I'm am no expert on the genre, but it has been described as their breakout album. And although the band seemed to have a somewhat comical persona, it appears that they were respected in the profession, and were pioneering in some aspects of Hip Hop.

So, given that Crushin' was their most successful release, and that Wipeout was the single from said album, which had a respectable climb to Number 12, does Wipeout deserve more respect among Beach Boys fans? Did the Beach Boys, in some small way, help pave the way for Hip Hop to become an accessible genre that would go on to dominate the modern music industry?
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« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2017, 11:22:03 AM »

Confessions: I like this song, although the version on  Crushin' was better (different mix and editing)


Crushin' was their commercial breakthrough, although their earlier work was better.
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« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2017, 11:27:07 AM »

The real question is if Mike and Bruce missed an opportunity to do Disorderlies 2, where they'd star as the orderlies.
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2017, 11:34:09 AM »

It was 30 years ago that the Fat Boys released their album Crushin'. I'm am no expert on the genre, but it has been described as their breakout album. And although the band seemed to have a somewhat comical persona, it appears that they were respected in the profession, and were pioneering in some aspects of Hip Hop.

So, given that Crushin' was their most successful release, and that Wipeout was the single from said album, which had a respectable climb to Number 12, does Wipeout deserve more respect among Beach Boys fans? Did the Beach Boys, in some small way, help pave the way for Hip Hop to become an accessible genre that would go on to dominate the modern music industry?

While I'm not expert on rap / hip hop, I don't think the Fat/Beach Boys version of Wipe Out had quite the lasting impact that the RUN DMC version of Walk This Way with Steven Tyler and Joe Perry from Aerosmith. 

For one, Walk This Way helped revive Aerosmith's floundering career.  And it seemed to break down more barriers when it comes to making rap more "acceptable" to mainstream audiences. 

Also, in 2017, Walk This Way seems to have aged far better than Wipe Out. 
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2017, 11:36:05 AM »

Some thoughts:

- I've always thought from the moment I first heard it that the splashing sound at the end of Wipe Out '87 sounded like a toilet flushing. Totally serious.

- That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

- Is this song the first known usage of the term "The Real Beach Boys"? Funny, since that later became a catchphrase when debating the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the various splintered camps. Maybe The Fat Boys accidentally invented a popular term.
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« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2017, 12:12:21 PM »

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That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

Their first two albums are ace; they definitely went for a poppier sound on Crushin'. Weird thing, two years or so later they tried to do a (ahem) "hip hop opera" which to this day is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard.

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s this song the first known usage of the term "The Real Beach Boys"? Funny, since that later became a catchphrase when debating the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the various splintered camps. Maybe The Fat Boys accidentally invented a popular term.

To my knowledge, yes
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« Reply #6 on: August 02, 2017, 12:14:59 PM »

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That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

Their first two albums are ace; they definitely went for a poppier sound on Crushin'. Weird thing, two years or so later they tried to do a (ahem) "hip hop opera" which to this day is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard.


I must hear this.

I wonder if I'm the only member of this board to have seen Disorderlies in the theater, in first run. (And out of being a kid fan of The Fat Boys, not out of any Beach Boys fandom, mind you!)
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« Reply #7 on: August 02, 2017, 12:27:50 PM »

Some thoughts:

- I've always thought from the moment I first heard it that the splashing sound at the end of Wipe Out '87 sounded like a toilet flushing. Totally serious.

- That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

- Is this song the first known usage of the term "The Real Beach Boys"? Funny, since that later became a catchphrase when debating the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the various splintered camps. Maybe The Fat Boys accidentally invented a popular term.
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Interesting perspective. So since you were listening to Crushin as a Fat Boys fan, how did Wipeout rate, was it enjoyable or more of a distraction from the rest of the album?
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« Reply #8 on: August 02, 2017, 12:48:29 PM »

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That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

Their first two albums are ace; they definitely went for a poppier sound on Crushin'. Weird thing, two years or so later they tried to do a (ahem) "hip hop opera" which to this day is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard.


I must hear this.

I wonder if I'm the only member of this board to have seen Disorderlies in the theater, in first run. (And out of being a kid fan of The Fat Boys, not out of any Beach Boys fandom, mind you!)

I saw it in the theater back then too (I was 9, btw). When they were pushing Ralph Bellamy (can't remember the character's name) in the wheel chair at full speed during the credit roll, I remember  I about lost my sh*t.
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« Reply #9 on: August 02, 2017, 12:50:51 PM »

Some thoughts:

- I've always thought from the moment I first heard it that the splashing sound at the end of Wipe Out '87 sounded like a toilet flushing. Totally serious.

- That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

- Is this song the first known usage of the term "The Real Beach Boys"? Funny, since that later became a catchphrase when debating the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the various splintered camps. Maybe The Fat Boys accidentally invented a popular term.
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Interesting perspective. So since you were listening to Crushin as a Fat Boys fan, how did Wipeout rate, was it enjoyable or more of a distraction from the rest of the album?

I'm not CD, but for me at first it was a guilty pleasure, not because of the Fat Boys, but because the Beach Boys were on it (sort of, I think only Brian and Mike were actually on it), and at that moment in time it was very uncool to like the BB. It fit the album, though it was weird because it came between a love ballad (!) and an ode to sex (!!), neither which the Fat Boys had done before (or since).
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« Reply #10 on: August 02, 2017, 12:52:54 PM »

Look what I found

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989-08-17/features/8901060169_1_fat-boys-tin-pan-apple-beach-boys
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« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2017, 01:33:54 PM »


Very cool!

And here are 14 cuts from that "rapera":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeuJ4in8gos&list=PLwoyYQXxXlKO7XJ9sr9om49eKljWHy4iM&index=1
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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2017, 04:06:11 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career. I don't have any problem with The Fat Boys and obviously have no problem with The Beach Boys...but never the twain shall meet. Truly appalling version of the song. The only redeeming value for me is the wall of Brian Wilsons singing backup.

And yet...still not as bad as "East Meets West" with Frankie Valli & Whoever-happens-to-be-The-Four-Seasons. Two groups that seemed so well matched put out a song that could barely pass for incidental music in "Hardbodies". 

..yet not as bad as the absolute bottom of the barrel..."Happy Endings" with Little Richard. You have rock and roll's wild man Little Richard on a record and he sounds like he's weeping over a Casio.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2017, 04:14:50 PM »

Some thoughts:

- I've always thought from the moment I first heard it that the splashing sound at the end of Wipe Out '87 sounded like a toilet flushing. Totally serious.

- That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

- Is this song the first known usage of the term "The Real Beach Boys"? Funny, since that later became a catchphrase when debating the legitimacy (or lack thereof) of the various splintered camps. Maybe The Fat Boys accidentally invented a popular term.
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Interesting perspective. So since you were listening to Crushin as a Fat Boys fan, how did Wipeout rate, was it enjoyable or more of a distraction from the rest of the album?

I have this vague memory of watching the music video to either Wipeout, or possibly a different music video of theirs. I wasn't really into The BBs at all yet, so I guess it was just *there* and nothing I remember standing apart from the other tracks too well.

I definitely was a bigger fan of songs like "Crushin'", "Falling In Love"... and "My Nuts".

Wipeout is more bland by comparison. At the time, I was probably more into the drum machine/dance-like sounds and synthy touches that the band did on some tracks. Wipeout is kind of the odd track out on this album, but that said, it didn't stand out like a sore thumb to me at the time.
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2017, 04:15:05 PM »

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That said, I love The Fat Boys as a guilty pleasure; I owned Crushin' on cassette as a kid, long before I ever bought my first BBs album, and long before I was particularly familiar with The BBs' music.

Their first two albums are ace; they definitely went for a poppier sound on Crushin'. Weird thing, two years or so later they tried to do a (ahem) "hip hop opera" which to this day is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard.


I must hear this.

I wonder if I'm the only member of this board to have seen Disorderlies in the theater, in first run. (And out of being a kid fan of The Fat Boys, not out of any Beach Boys fandom, mind you!)

I saw it in the theater back then too (I was 9, btw). When they were pushing Ralph Bellamy (can't remember the character's name) in the wheel chair at full speed during the credit roll, I remember  I about lost my sh*t.

Nice!!
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« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2017, 04:16:49 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career.  

It's pretty remarkable that The Beach Boys are featured on an album with a song called "My Nuts", a tune that is specifically about testicles.

About. Testicles.

Yeah, Rocking the Man in the Boat is about cunnilingus, but at least it's a euphemism that isn't necessarily obvious at first listen. This song straight up says, in its title "It's about NUTS!!!!!"

I wonder what The BBs thought about that at the time.

I guess they were balls deep in questionable career choices at that point.
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« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2017, 04:19:52 PM »

A person can like or dislike the recording, the idea, the genre (rap, I mean; I assume vocal-oriented pop isn't an issue for people on this board). I don't care in the slightest about that. But I will say, I thought then, and think now, that "Wipeout" was harmless fun. Like CenturyDeprived, I probably preferred the Fat Boys to the Beach Boys at the time of its release (and I was a HUGE fan of "Disorderlies" at the time, probably because if I'm not mistaken, there was partial nudity ... never discount partial nudity when you're talking about an 11-year-old boy's movie tastes).

Honestly I think there is no comparison between it and the new Love-Stamos-McGrath DIA. (Though I don't care much about the latter either, and certainly don't subscribe to blaming it for the collapse of the band's legacy and/or western civilization.) The Fat Boys were popular at the time. Rap was an increasingly popular new form of music among pop audiences. It made a lot of sense then to try to capitalize on it, whether the attempt succeeded or not (and on what level, artistic or commercial). KDS is right: "Walk This Way" ended up being the better regarded, semi-similar attempt at crossover (as did the Beastie Boys' use of Kerry King on "No Sleep Til Brooklyn"). But you can't blame them for ending up the less-remembered, less-well regarded attempt. It was an attempt. A crass attempt? Maybe. A superficial attempt? Certainly. But it's fine. It was fun. It doesn't hurt anything.

The legacy is in tact. The legacy will remain in tact. The only people who think much about it, who worry, are the people who purportedly love the band the most (and so whose confidence should be strongest). Pet Sounds is never going to suck, no matter how many shitty albums, singles, sitcom appearances, or former celeb collaborations happen. It will never matter unless you make it matter.

"Wipeout" was fine. Fun. Pleasant. Enjoyable. Everyone, enjoy your summer.
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« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2017, 04:24:43 PM »

Honestly I think there is no comparison between it and the new Love-Stamos-McGrath DIA. (Though I don't care much about the latter either, and certainly don't subscribe to blaming it for the collapse of the band's legacy and/or western civilization.)

Well, I think there IS a comparison because they both suck. lol (in my opinion)

...but yes, as history has proven these questionable (to be kind) choices don't matter a hill of beans when it comes to what the group is remembered for. More like odd detours for hardcore fans to discuss after history forgets.  
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« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2017, 05:05:10 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career. I don't have any problem with The Fat Boys and obviously have no problem with The Beach Boys...but never the twain shall meet. Truly appalling version of the song. The only redeeming value for me is the wall of Brian Wilsons singing backup.

And yet...still not as bad as "East Meets West" with Frankie Valli & Whoever-happens-to-be-The-Four-Seasons. Two groups that seemed so well matched put out a song that could barely pass for incidental music in "Hardbodies". 

..yet not as bad as the absolute bottom of the barrel..."Happy Endings" with Little Richard. You have rock and roll's wild man Little Richard on a record and he sounds like he's weeping over a Casio.

Ay-yi-yi!     

My main issue with the version of DOI is the horribly processed production that makes the C50 live album sound like a Steely Dan record.
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« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2017, 05:18:29 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career. I don't have any problem with The Fat Boys and obviously have no problem with The Beach Boys...but never the twain shall meet. Truly appalling version of the song. The only redeeming value for me is the wall of Brian Wilsons singing backup.

And yet...still not as bad as "East Meets West" with Frankie Valli & Whoever-happens-to-be-The-Four-Seasons. Two groups that seemed so well matched put out a song that could barely pass for incidental music in "Hardbodies". 

..yet not as bad as the absolute bottom of the barrel..."Happy Endings" with Little Richard. You have rock and roll's wild man Little Richard on a record and he sounds like he's weeping over a Casio.

Ay-yi-yi!     

My main issue with the version of DOI is the horribly processed production that makes the C50 live album sound like a Steely Dan record.

I only heard it once but I assumed it was same lead vocal from the C50 remake just imported over.
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« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2017, 05:36:09 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career. I don't have any problem with The Fat Boys and obviously have no problem with The Beach Boys...but never the twain shall meet. Truly appalling version of the song. The only redeeming value for me is the wall of Brian Wilsons singing backup.

And yet...still not as bad as "East Meets West" with Frankie Valli & Whoever-happens-to-be-The-Four-Seasons. Two groups that seemed so well matched put out a song that could barely pass for incidental music in "Hardbodies". 

..yet not as bad as the absolute bottom of the barrel..."Happy Endings" with Little Richard. You have rock and roll's wild man Little Richard on a record and he sounds like he's weeping over a Casio.

Ay-yi-yi!     

My main issue with the version of DOI is the horribly processed production that makes the C50 live album sound like a Steely Dan record.

What is DOI?
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« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2017, 05:39:33 PM »

Yeah, wasn't just the vocal that was imported over (the backup vocals were too, and I strongly suspect the basic track was as well). Not that it matters...Mark McGrath does not sound like himself (or human for that matter), and the less said about the "Do it Do it" part the better.  Whole thing sounds very amateur-ish, like it was done on a Fisher Price "My First Mixing Board".
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2017, 05:40:20 PM »

Funny this topic comes up when people are freaking out over Mike's version of DOI.

I don't begrudge anyone for liking this but...

to me, this is (nearly) the nadir of The Beach Boys' recording career. I don't have any problem with The Fat Boys and obviously have no problem with The Beach Boys...but never the twain shall meet. Truly appalling version of the song. The only redeeming value for me is the wall of Brian Wilsons singing backup.

And yet...still not as bad as "East Meets West" with Frankie Valli & Whoever-happens-to-be-The-Four-Seasons. Two groups that seemed so well matched put out a song that could barely pass for incidental music in "Hardbodies". 

..yet not as bad as the absolute bottom of the barrel..."Happy Endings" with Little Richard. You have rock and roll's wild man Little Richard on a record and he sounds like he's weeping over a Casio.

Ay-yi-yi!     

My main issue with the version of DOI is the horribly processed production that makes the C50 live album sound like a Steely Dan record.

What is DOI?

Was supposed to be DIA, although it  sounds like it was recorded by someone who got a DWI on the way home.
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2017, 06:20:38 PM »

LOL LOL

And freaking out? LOL meh, firstly itís discussion and secondly itís a Beach Boys forum where we discuss sh*t related to the band. No ones having a panic attack because Mike has some incredibly awful taste.
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