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« Reply #25 on: August 24, 2017, 09:13:23 AM »

It does make more sense to think of them as two different songs from '67 and '68. A complete 'definitive' version is impossible. The structure just can't accomodate multiple versions of the same two progressions repeated again and again any more than you could do it for Good Vibrations.
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« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2017, 09:35:38 PM »

Can't Wait Too Long to me isn't a song. It has two intros, a bridge and a fade
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« Reply #27 on: August 27, 2017, 11:51:09 AM »

Well, the versions that have been released aren't really songs, because for whatever reason, the compilers haven't made the effort to put the various sections together in a way that makes some sense.  But as wjcrerar has shown, it's certainly possible.  Here's hoping that they do so next year.  Otherwise, fanmixes will be the best we have.
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« Reply #28 on: August 27, 2017, 12:56:54 PM »

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« Reply #29 on: August 27, 2017, 12:57:52 PM »

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« Reply #30 on: August 28, 2017, 09:45:11 AM »

Can't Wait Too Long to me isn't a song. It has two intros, a bridge and a fade

If we assume that the 1990 SS/WH mix of CWTL contains the full '68 tape (discounting the WH tag), then it would have run longer than almost everything on Friends, and had somebody simply recorded a lead vocal, it would not seem any more malformed than "Passing By" or "Wake the World".

>Proof of concept< (ignore that the last fly-in does not match the chords, and thus was probably superfluous)
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« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2017, 12:13:38 PM »

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« Reply #32 on: August 28, 2017, 12:28:00 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: August 28, 2017, 03:05:52 PM »

That doesn't prove anything other than that they originally flirted with the idea of having two verse sections. You can hear it all over the Heroes and Villains and Good Vibrations sessions, sections that aren't supposed to be leading into each other and Brian inexplicably labeling something a "pick-up to second verse".

I sourced the vocal from US Vol.19 and the GV 1990 box set. Check out track 27 on US. The backing track (with overdubbed vocals) has only one verse section, exactly as on the released version.
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« Reply #34 on: August 28, 2017, 03:44:13 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2017, 04:47:56 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2017, 01:23:04 PM »

I'm interested to hear whatever he might do with the isolated vocals.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2017, 11:56:13 PM »

Is there any bootleg that collects all of the known circulating fragments/versions of this song? It's always been one of my favorite productions from Brian. But I only know the version on the 1990 twofer, the GV box set, the Get The Boot brief fragment, and now the Sunshine Tomorrow version. I'm not that well educated on the making of the song, and I'm kind of having a hard time trying to pick out the parts being discussed in this thread to follow along. I know bootlegs are illegal and frowned upon, so I really hope nobody tries to send me a compilation with every single fragment and version available.  angel
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2017, 02:59:47 AM »

Its built partly around the bass line for the Smile chorus of Wind Chimes - as such I've wondered if the chorus melody of CWTL was originally the WC chorus melody..?
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2017, 03:09:23 AM »

I know bootlegs are illegal and frowned upon, so I really hope nobody tries to send me a compilation with every single fragment and version available.  angel

I'd love not to send you a comp but I can get my head round it. Grin
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2017, 03:43:28 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2017, 09:11:44 AM »

Its built partly around the bass line for the Smile chorus of Wind Chimes - as such I've wondered if the chorus melody of CWTL was originally the WC chorus melody..?

I've thought about that too. The Smile version of Wind Chimes always gets called 'finished' but something feels...missing. I think Brian could've abandoned having extra lyrics over the chorus by the revised version when he turned it into just an insert before the piano tag, but in the first version where it repeats like 3 times surely there was gonna be something?

 I think so - same as DYLW.  For DYLW there seem to have been extra lead vox that weren't on the mixes we have.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2017, 04:29:14 PM »

Its built partly around the bass line for the Smile chorus of Wind Chimes
Wow. I've been listening to both tracks for years now, and I never made that connection. Of course, now that you mention it, it's so obvious it's like Brian himself is sticking his hand through my CD player and slapping me in the face.  Grin
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2017, 06:18:44 PM »

Is there any bootleg that collects all of the known circulating fragments/versions of this song? It's always been one of my favorite productions from Brian. But I only know the version on the 1990 twofer, the GV box set, the Get The Boot brief fragment, and now the Sunshine Tomorrow version. I'm not that well educated on the making of the song, and I'm kind of having a hard time trying to pick out the parts being discussed in this thread to follow along. I know bootlegs are illegal and frowned upon, so I really hope nobody tries to send me a compilation with every single fragment and version available.  angel
Yeah, there's the Archeology box-set that has the extra "baby you know I can't hold out forever" backing vocals over the verses, which NOBODY seems to use in their fan or studio mixes (I'm looking at you wjcrerar, and you Linnet!) even though its a great little BB chant!
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« Reply #45 on: September 02, 2017, 02:55:24 AM »

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« Reply #46 on: September 02, 2017, 05:34:11 AM »

Is there any bootleg that collects all of the known circulating fragments/versions of this song? It's always been one of my favorite productions from Brian. But I only know the version on the 1990 twofer, the GV box set, the Get The Boot brief fragment, and now the Sunshine Tomorrow version. I'm not that well educated on the making of the song, and I'm kind of having a hard time trying to pick out the parts being discussed in this thread to follow along. I know bootlegs are illegal and frowned upon, so I really hope nobody tries to send me a compilation with every single fragment and version available.  angel
Yeah, there's the Archeology box-set that has the extra "baby you know I can't hold out forever" backing vocals over the verses, which NOBODY seems to use in their fan or studio mixes (I'm looking at you wjcrerar, and you Linnet!) even though its a great little BB chant!

Don't worry, I know about that one! Just didn't use it because it's in poor quality. I really can't tell when it's from though. I've come round to the idea that the handclap section is actually from '68 (that's definitely '68 Brian falsetto and the same acoustic guitar as on the verses), but the archaeology stuff's mixed really weirdly with lots of reverb and sounds all 80s-ish. Is it possible that those are the mixes that were prepared during the KTSA sessions? The "baby you know I can't wait forever" vocal or whatever it is has to be Brian but it doesn't sound like the 60s. I convinced myself that it was his Here Comes the Night voice, but then there's a part at the end where it's more clear and it sounds exactly like he does at the Knebworth concert on Surfer Girl. Hmm.
I forget, what is the source for the story that they worked on CWTL during KTSA, and has ANYONE ever described what was done? Why is info on this track so maddeningly fragmentary!?

I hear what you're saying about Brian's voice on those vox, and the bad reverb certainly muddys it up, but it still "feels" like 60's BW to me, for what that's worth.
Also, that handclap/vocal intro is is so energetic and classic BW I cannot believe the archivists haven't given it a proper treatment! Hoping you can give it its due!
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« Reply #47 on: September 02, 2017, 01:01:15 PM »

Read an old interview w/Pete Townsend where he was asked about Good Vibrations and the way it was put together, presumable the "modular thing".  This was in the time of GV's release, and he stated that is how he was working and seemed really rather non-plussed about it as a production, which somewhat surprised me as he later came across as a pretty big BBs fan per other quotes of his I have read...

As far as Can't Wait Too Long, I actually can wait quite a while to listen to it as I don't think it has aged that well and really is not that interesting musically as far as I am concerned.  It was too long and repetitious for an album track and couldn't have been a single because it didn't go anywhere or have any real hooks.  It does tend to dazzle a bit upon early listens, but then you realize there is just not that much going on over time....I now rank it an interesting curio but quite understand its long "officially" unreleased status....Ditto Ol' Man River, another fun curiosity, but just not in the pocket and sounds very demo-ish to me as released....Also ditto We're Together Again too, these things are exactly what they should be, bonus tracks!
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