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Author Topic: Source of 1968 "commercial feeling" and 1970 "Fort Worth" Brian/Carl quotes?  (Read 1177 times)
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« on: June 01, 2017, 11:46:15 PM »

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Early 1967, I had planned to make an album entitled SMILE.  I was working with a guy named Van Dyke Parks, who was collaborating with me on some of the tunes, and in the process, we came up with a song called "Surf's Up," and I performed that with just a piano on a documentary show made on rock music.  The song "Surf's Up" that I sang on that documentary never came out on an album, and it was supposed to come out on the SMILE album, and that and a couple of other songs were junked... because... I don't know why... for some reason didn't want to put them on the album.  And the group nearly broke up, actually broke up for good after that. [With] SMILE, I didn't think that the songs were right for the public at the time.  I just didn't have a feeling... a commercial feeling about some of these songs, what we've never released.  Maybe some people like to hang on to certain songs as their own little songs that they've written, almost for themselves.  A lot of times a person will write... and will realize later... it's not commercial.  You know, what they've written is nice for them... but a lot of people just don't like it.  Maybe some people like to hang on to certain things..."
(obtained from http://www.angelfire.com/mn/smileshop/essaysprokopy.html)

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In Fort Worth, Texas, there is a drug clinic which takes people off the streets and helps them get over bad [[LSD]] trips. They don't use any traditional medical treatment whatsoever. All they do is play the patient our ''Smiley Smile'' album and apparently this acts as a soothing remedy which relaxes them and helps them to recover completely from their trip.
(obtained from http://surfermoon.com/essays/quotes.shtml#carl_wilson )

Where were these first published?
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 04:00:28 AM »

Found this about the first one (if I've got it right):

"Any way, that quote is from KHJ's History of Rock and Roll. According to Bill Mouzis, the production and audio engineer, the thing was put together in the 60 days before airing so the interview was probably sometime from the last week of December 1968 into February 1969. There is a misleading incomplete version in LLVS.......(crickets).........(tumbleweeds).............but I forgot to look up the page number.  The ellipsis represent announcer and music breaks as I remember.

"Early 1967, I had planned to make an album entitled SMILE.  I was working with a guy named Van Dyke Parks, who was collaborating with me on the tunes, and in the process we came up with a song called 'Surf’s Up,' and I performed that with just a piano on a documentary show made on rock music.  The song 'Surf’s Up' that I sang for that documentary never came out on an album, and it was supposed to come out on the SMILE album, and that and a couple of other songs were junked ... because I didn't feel that they ... I don't know why, I just didn't, for some reason, didn't want to put them on the album ... and the group nearly broke up, actually split up for good over that, that one ... the decision of mine not to put a lot of the things that we'd cut for the album SMILEY SMILE on the album, and so for like almost a year, we're just now kind of getting back together ... because I didn't think that the songs really were right for the public at the time, and I didn't have a feeling, a commercial feeling, about some of these songs that we've never released, and ... maybe I ... some people like to hang onto certain things and ... just as their own little songs that they've written almost for themselves. And a lot of times, you know, a person will write and will realize later that they're ... it's not commercial, you know, but what they've written is nice for them, but a lot of people just don't like it."
-Brian Wilson, 1968

Source: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=23176.155;wap2

The misleading, incomplete version is on p. 197 of LLVS...
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 07:53:02 AM »

The Carl quote might be identified here:

https://books.google.nl/books?id=tQYZKt1oHlUC&pg=PA247&lpg=PA247&dq=%22fort+worth%22+%22carl+wilson%22+%22beach+boys%22+%22drug+clinic%22&source=bl&ots=OZ5hj_BwUM&sig=UZ8EZgpxnMF0yEFpV7D0GjiLJWA&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22fort%20worth%22%20%22carl%20wilson%22%20%22beach%20boys%22%20%22drug%20clinic%22&f=false

I can't access it as I've dropped out of Google. Maybe you can. Judging from what I can see, the book is called The Beach Boys and apparently Carl's quoted on p. 247.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 10:00:45 AM »


That item on "Google Books" is just one of those compilations of Wikipedia entries. I was able to see the actual page on this Google Books entry that has this quote, and it has a footnote. The footnote leads one to..... the original surfermoon.com source mentioned in the top post!  LOL

So the question remains; where did the surfermoon.com author get it from?

The Carl quote *may* have appeared in the "In Their Own Words" paperback from the 90s. That book is a great read, but unfortunately doesn't have *any* specific citations. So if surfermoon.com pulled it from *that* book, then we're still at a dead end.
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 10:53:01 AM »

The Carl quote might be identified

I can't access it as I've dropped out of Google. Maybe you can. Judging from what I can see, the book is called The Beach Boys and apparently Carl's quoted on p. 247.

PediaPress is the giveaway.  If you have Wikipedia, as we all do, no need to access the Complete Guide from Google.  I does add a note, "can be rendered electronically, and ordered as a printed book."
Hmmm, anything in that could be found on Wikipedia or in one of their links.  Looks like a massive amount of information.
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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 12:20:56 PM »

KHJ's History of Rock and Roll series is one of those things that shows up once in a while on the internet. All of the episodes were online a few years ago and I listened to about half of them. Keep in mind, however, that sometimes they couldn't actually interview a performer and would hire an actor to read quotes, hence the poor fella who did an abysmal Elvis Presley imitation in their Elvis episode.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2017, 06:14:01 AM »

I'll look it up when I get home in my clippings file
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2017, 11:19:55 AM »

I can't imagine "Gettin' Hungry" would relax anyone, especially a person with mental issues to begin with!  A rather jarring tune in the context of SS, described by some critic as a Deep South "field holler".  Surprised it didn't at least chart with the Bri/Mike combo at the time....maybe this was the first true evidence of just how far their star had fallen...since the number 12 placement for H&V always seemed about right to me, at least in commercial terms.  Another fond recollection I have is some critic describing SS as the BBs taking a trip to San Francisco but taking the wrong exit and winding up in Fresno...that seems about right too!  (This actually happened to an old girl friend of mine...she was hitching and thought they were going to Frisco, but wound up in Fresno!).  She has funny cars, heh!
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2017, 05:23:20 PM »

Ok-the quote about Smiley Smile comes from Carl's interview with Roy Carr of the NME for the article "Beach Boys Still Fighting Old Surfer Image" that appeared in the Dec 12 1970 issue while they were on tour in the UK.
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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 06:35:19 PM »

Thanks for the info, Ian!
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2017, 12:18:08 AM »

Brian's comments above (along with more, including "some of my very complete [Beach Boys] favorites are ...") are from Hour 44 of KHJ's The History of Rock n Roll, first broadcast on Feb. 23, 1969. After it's initial run on KHJ, Los Angeles, The History of Rock n Roll was then broadcast on other Drake-Chenault programmed stations in 1969 and subsequent years.

The episode can be heard on ReelRadio.com at http://www.reelradio.com/ng/index.html#khjhrr19. Scroll down to Hour 44. Prior to listening, registration is required, and donations are greatly appreciated. Register on the ReelRadio home page at http://www.reelradio.com.

The site is an absolute gold mine of classic TOP 40 AM (and some FM) radio airchecks, all restored to best attainable sound quality.

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