The Beach Boys Wild Honey(Sunshine Tomorrow) 2CD Set?

[Jay]

I think the vast majority of the studio recordings are unreleased or "new".

[harrisonjon]

65 tracks is extraordinary value. Has anyone calculated the total playing time?

[dave_van_damn]

Wow this is exciting! One question though-

Is there anything here which is truly unreleased? Have all these tracks featured on bootlegs in the past?

This was discussed a couple pages back, but there is indeed unheard material on this disc, including (but not limited to) "Honey Get Home", "Game of Love", "Lonely Days (Alternate)", "Untitled (Redwood)", "Hide Go Seek", "Mama Says (Session Highlights)", "All Day All Night", and the "extended" 1967 "Surf's Up" recording.

Ahh, my bad; I did skim through all the pages but I missed that. Thanks for the run down!

[The Heartical Don]

65 tracks is extraordinary value. Has anyone calculated the total playing time?

No, but you're right.

Which makes me optimistic for a 'Friends', and other follow-ups. It is a fan thing, it is generous, it will sell, the numbers pressed won't be that high, but it won't be a loss leader.

Clearly a labour of love; and also it's not 'strictly academic', so to speak. It has a pleasant and spontaneous feel to me, not 'ramshackle', but simply joyous.

(Over a few years, I began to like the Made In California box more and more (more than I already did); for the same reasons. That one feels very 'free', mono and stereo versions, a bit of a wilfully 'semi-chaotic' track order on the last few disks, it's an great listening experience.)

[HeyJude]

While the guys actually in the trenches (e.g. Boyd and Linett) have done great work even when constrained by budgets and deadlines and band/label politics, I think "Sunshine Tomorrow" is looking like a new phase where a lot more of the planets are aligning in terms of this being truly a great release.

While monumental releases like the PS and Smile boxes are second to none, and we've had a few deep dive archive releases without filler (e.g. "Endless Harmony Soundtrack"), we've certainly had to get through a number of "better than nothing" releases and some cash grabs (the PS 50th boxed set, the "Singles" boxed set), and cases where some amazing stuff is sandwiched between our 87 billionth copy of the same hits ("Made in California").

With guys like Howie Edelson involved, along with Boyd and Linett doing their thing in the studio, I think this is a new phase, and "Sunshine Tomorrow", without having heard a note of it, finally looks like the whole thing is running on all cylinders as far as not compromising the "hardcore fan" service with some half-assed marketing effort. I can tell this set was expertly programmed. It doesn't have 50% retread material. It's all mouth-watering stuff for hardcore fans. PLUS, it's properly programmed and designed so that it *can* also be marketed beyond the hardcores. Hipsters who dig PS can get turned onto this music. Some recognizable "hit" song titles are also strategically sprinkled in there as well.

What I do hope is that BRI can expand this sort of thing even beyond mainstream Capitol/UMe releases, because I know there's a limit to what they're going to want to do wide-release physical CD releases for. Hopefully all involved have high hopes for this release but also know it ain't going to sell a million copies, and hopefully this is the beginning of similar targeted physical release on Capitol *as well* as some "Dick's Picks" sort of deeper releases for fans (digital at the very least).

Howie knows what fans dig and what they want, and what's needed for archival releases, so I think this is our best chance yet to see an ongoing award-winning-caliber team in place to get more stuff out there, instead of past years where Boyd and Linett did everything they could with what they were given and we kind of just accidentally sometimes got some cool stuff.

Further, *all* of the guys/camps/estates should be coming out of the woodwork and doing the whole marketing synergy thing like the ex-Beatles/estates have done with group *and* solo projects. More archival and new releases from individual members could be piggybacked on all of this.

[quad73]

My first post here, and I can´t wait for this release. Getting my Sgt Pepper Deluxe set tomorrow but I think the Wild Honey release might be even more exciting 
I really hope that this is a sign of things to come for albums like Friends, 20/20 and Sunflowers.
Sunflower being my absolute favourite BB album.

[Dove Nested Towers]

Wow this is exciting! One question though-

Is there anything here which is truly unreleased? Have all these tracks featured on bootlegs in the past?

They're not using the "previously unreleased" designation on this set, perhaps because there's such a wealth of it that it might start to  seem redundant.

[Howie Edelson]

Thanks for your kinds words, Jude.

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

There are many different avenues and tiers for this material to find its way out. I have a feeling that this release will break through to a new market.

I overheard two industry people today referring to it as the "followup to Smile."
Pretty cool.

Tell everyone you know about this LP.
If it sells, we'll get more.

[SMiLE Brian]

Keep up the good fight Howie.

[mtaber]

I don't post often anymore, but I have to say thanks to everyone involved in getting this package out in such a gorgeous way!  I'm thankful for living long enough to see the band's vast unreleased vaults finally being properly harvested.  And the cover art is PERFECT!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Thanks for your kinds words, Jude.

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

There are many different avenues and tiers for this material to find its way out. I have a feeling that this release will break through to a new market.

I overheard two industry people today referring to it as the "followup to Smile."
Pretty cool.

Tell everyone you know about this LP.
If it sells, we'll get more.

Well said as usual Howie.

I'll go one step further and say that the Beach Boys are the only band where a good portion of the time the unreleased material is better than much of the released material after a certain point. Hell, much of their unreleased material blows many other bands' released material out of the water!

[Jay]

Hell, "Why?" from the MIU sessions is better than the entire album.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Not better than "Matchpoint" or "Pitter Patter"!

[Mr Fulton]

What would be the 15 great Beach Boys songs still in the Vaults. I can think of a few

Carry Me Home
Boys And Girls
Out In The Country
Burlesque
Stevie
I'm A Man
I've Got A Friend(Backing Track)

[CenturyDeprived]

Thanks for your kinds words, Jude.

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

There are many different avenues and tiers for this material to find its way out. I have a feeling that this release will break through to a new market.

I overheard two industry people today referring to it as the "followup to Smile."
Pretty cool.

Tell everyone you know about this LP.
If it sells, we'll get more.

This is amazing news. I'm always telling people that The BBs are THE most underrated and misunderstood famous band out there, and hopefully this set will further that line of thinking in more peoples' eyes to get them newfound respect.

The famous Jack Rieley quote may have been true, but hopefully sets like these will go a ways towards undoing some of the regrettable in hindsight decisions that led to amazing material being shelved for decades.

[Shady]

Thanks for your kinds words, Jude.

I don't want to besmirch any other band, but as someone who's quite aware of what's in several other group's vaults, of the "majors" (and I'm not exaggerating), The Beach Boys are the ONLY one where if its unreleased material was finally released, the entire narrative changes and history gets a revamp. The BB's are the only band who can get a 10th life from what they left on the cutting room floor. The Grateful Dead definitely do not have five more "Sugar Magnolia's" tucked away in the vault -- The BB's have 15.

There are many different avenues and tiers for this material to find its way out. I have a feeling that this release will break through to a new market.

I overheard two industry people today referring to it as the "followup to Smile."
Pretty cool.

Tell everyone you know about this LP.
If it sells, we'll get more.

#8 on amazon at the moment 

[The Cincinnati Kid]

What would be the 15 great Beach Boys songs still in the Vaults. I can think of a few

Carry Me Home
Boys And Girls
Out In The Country
Burlesque
Stevie
I'm A Man
I've Got A Friend(Backing Track)

There's supposed to be a version of Sweetie with Beach Boy vocals, but I don't know how finished it is or if it still exists.

[Jay]

Not better than "Matchpoint" or "Pitter Patter"!

Its better than both. 

[SMiLE Brian]

Jay wins!

[PetSmile]

Exciting news, but stereo Smile material is conspicuously missing, especially so in light of the Pepper release. Still can't complain

[HeyJude]

No way I'd want "Smile" material bogarting space on this set. We got a pretty epic Smile set already. Sure, I'd like them to collect any orphaned Smile stereo mixes somewhere. But it's time to highlight something else in their catalog outside of PS or Smile.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

No way I'd want "Smile" material bogarting space on this set. We got a pretty epic Smile set already. Sure, I'd like them to collect any orphaned Smile stereo mixes somewhere. But it's time to highlight something else in their catalog outside of PS or Smile.

Agreed

[guitarfool2002]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

[rab2591]

“I wanted to have a home environment trip where we could record at my house,” recalls Brian Wilson in the liner notes for 1967 – Sunshine Tomorrow. “I wanted to try something different, something new. I produced Smiley Smile, but Mike inspired me. He said ‘Brian, let’s make a really good, easygoing album’. We had an engineer convert my den into a studio. We had my piano detuned to make it ring more.”


"We all really dug Motown, right?...So Brian reckoned we should get more into a white R&B bag. I also recall around that time the band, and Brian in particular, getting criticized very heavily for sounding like choirboys."  - Carl Wilson.

Hey, nothing says easygoing album like bullying your cousin into giving up a hit tune cuz you have bills to pay. Jeesh, if only Mike learned the lawsuit game earlier in life to get cash, perhaps Redwood would've been a successful af band under the guidance of BW.

[tpesky]

I agree, it's the perfect era to try to pick up people who know the early stuff and PS, Wild Honey material is a great next step.