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« on: April 25, 2017, 10:28:59 PM »

I love "Guess I'm Dumb", and I'm still holding out for some Brian vocal on the song to be unearthed. Does anyone know if Brian ever recorded even a scratch vocal for it? Like, are there any session notes that would indicate such a thing? Or has anyone heard it rumored that Brian recorded a vocal? (Is there any hope for this dream of mine?!)
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2017, 03:48:14 PM »

that would be a great find eh?  but as far as i know, there is no known lead vocal by Brian in existence.
only what we hear on the tag of the song.  As far as Brian goes, he said somewhere he doesn't even
remember the song at all  Huh
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2017, 05:54:44 PM »


Is there a Brian lead for "Sweet Mountain"?  Huh
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2017, 06:11:54 PM »

Those BW bass vocals really show how BW had his "gruff" voice all ready for the 15 big ones era.

Is there a Brian lead for "Sweet Mountain"?  Huh
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2017, 06:29:18 PM »

Those BW bass vocals really show how BW had his "gruff" voice all ready for the 15 big ones era.

Is there a Brian lead for "Sweet Mountain"?  Huh

Yes. On the line "Well it rained on the mountain, the mountain of love" at the end of the song sounded like he was maybe just trying to sound that way but after hearing "In The Back Of My Mind", it does tie in.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2017, 06:31:12 PM »

I agree with you it was put on voice to deal with the Myke touring machine of the time. Wink
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2017, 07:13:28 PM »

I agree with you it was put on voice to deal with the Myke touring machine of the time. Wink

The Spring LP was released in 72. Was Brian's voice starting to change as far back as that?. The ITBOMM demo was recorded in 75. Was there a three year period of voice change?
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2017, 07:16:42 PM »

Kinda with  the falsetto getting thinner, but the California feeling demo of 1974 showed BW at his rock bottom could still do the "classic" voice.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 09:18:09 PM »

I agree with you it was put on voice to deal with the Myke touring machine of the time. Wink

The Spring LP was released in 72. Was Brian's voice starting to change as far back as that?. The ITBOMM demo was recorded in 75. Was there a three year period of voice change?
Yes it was.  Brian' vocals on So Tough bear it out (although buried a bit in the mix). Somewhere in my collection I have  Brian's vocals isolated on the songs he's there vocally but I need to hunt it down (burned to cd before my old computer died; it's packed up in a box somewhere).

From memory...he's the high part on Mess of help (sounding more like his MIU era falsetto). He's doing the "Marcella Hey" tag on Marcella, in addition to the higher part on the "hey yeah Marcella" part.  And on He Come Down, the "eee-ee" part on the left channel is indeed Brian, sounding EXACTLY like he did in 1976 (right channel is Mike).
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2017, 06:56:42 AM »

Regarding "Guess I'm Dumb", I'd find it more of a bummer that we don't have a Brian lead on it if Glen Campbell's lead was sub-par or something. I'm not a huge Campbell fan or anything from his later work, and one wouldn't think based on his 70s hits that he'd be able to do a Brian-esque mid-60s vocal. But, while he's not like a full-on doppelganger for Brian on "Guess I'm Dumb", he turns in an excellent lead in the same general vein as a Brian vocals from that era.

A good song is a good song, so I'm fine with Campbell's vocal on that song. It's as much of a Beach Boys song as, say, the "McGear" album is a defacto Paul McCartney & Wings album.

As for Brian's voice change, I find it fascinating that his vocals on the 1974/75 impromptu "demos" for "California Feelin'" and "In the Back of My Mind" sound *exactly* like what one would guess: It's literally 50/50 right in between his circa 1970 "still fully intact" voice and his 1976 "15 Big Ones" voice.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2017, 07:14:20 AM »

I agree with you it was put on voice to deal with the Myke touring machine of the time. Wink

The Spring LP was released in 72. Was Brian's voice starting to change as far back as that?. The ITBOMM demo was recorded in 75. Was there a three year period of voice change?
Yes it was.  Brian' vocals on So Tough bear it out (although buried a bit in the mix). Somewhere in my collection I have  Brian's vocals isolated on the songs he's there vocally but I need to hunt it down (burned to cd before my old computer died; it's packed up in a box somewhere).

From memory...he's the high part on Mess of help (sounding more like his MIU era falsetto). He's doing the "Marcella Hey" tag on Marcella, in addition to the higher part on the "hey yeah Marcella" part.  And on He Come Down, the "eee-ee" part on the left channel is indeed Brian, sounding EXACTLY like he did in 1976 (right channel is Mike).
https://youtu.be/4ExZZH1v0TM?t=3m37s

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Thanks for the clarification, Billy. Is there additional info concerning Brian's voice change during these few years? For example, why was his voice improved for MIU?
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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2017, 07:25:06 AM »

By the time of the XMas/MIU sessions in 1977, Brian's voice was "in shape" somewhat more just from more regular use in concert and in the studio. A little bit of vocal EQ and whatnot, added to picking songs in an appropriate mid-range key, and I think that goes some way to explaining Brian's voice on those sessions. And maybe not doing as many hard drugs while in Iowa?

Really, the "smooth" Brian voice is really mainly in evidence only on two songs: "Wontcha Come Out Tonight" and "Matchpoint of Our Love." I think they just coaxed some solid vocals out of Brian on those tracks. He croaks out a decent but not exactly ear-catching falsetto on "She's Got Rhythm"
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« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2017, 07:33:35 AM »

By the time of the XMas/MIU sessions in 1977, Brian's voice was "in shape" somewhat more just from more regular use in concert and in the studio. A little bit of vocal EQ and whatnot, added to picking songs in an appropriate mid-range key, and I think that goes some way to explaining Brian's voice on those sessions. And maybe not doing as many hard drugs while in Iowa?

Really, the "smooth" Brian voice is really mainly in evidence only on two songs: "Wontcha Come Out Tonight" and "Matchpoint of Our Love." I think they just coaxed some solid vocals out of Brian on those tracks. He croaks out a decent but not exactly ear-catching falsetto on "She's Got Rhythm"

Actually, Brian's falsetto on SGR is somewhat ear splitting. But I do hear him doing some nice work on "Winds Of Change", "Pitter Patter", and "Bells of Paris". It was very reminiscent of the original mix.


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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2017, 11:13:47 AM »

Also don't forget Winter Symphony,  which was around the same period
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2017, 11:14:42 AM »

A shame a great vocal was wasted on matchpoint's inane lyrics as well.
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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2017, 12:29:39 PM »

I don't know...the lyrics don't really bother me as much as, say, Belles of Paris.
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2017, 12:39:27 PM »

I agree with you it was put on voice to deal with the Myke touring machine of the time. Wink

The Spring LP was released in 72. Was Brian's voice starting to change as far back as that?. The ITBOMM demo was recorded in 75. Was there a three year period of voice change?
Yes it was.  Brian' vocals on So Tough bear it out (although buried a bit in the mix). Somewhere in my collection I have  Brian's vocals isolated on the songs he's there vocally but I need to hunt it down (burned to cd before my old computer died; it's packed up in a box somewhere).

From memory...he's the high part on Mess of help (sounding more like his MIU era falsetto). He's doing the "Marcella Hey" tag on Marcella, in addition to the higher part on the "hey yeah Marcella" part.  And on He Come Down, the "eee-ee" part on the left channel is indeed Brian, sounding EXACTLY like he did in 1976 (right channel is Mike).
https://youtu.be/4ExZZH1v0TM?t=3m37s

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Thanks for the clarification, Billy. Is there additional info concerning Brian's voice change during these few years? For example, why was his voice improved for MIU?

Yes. ..he had been "experimenting" with different vocal stylings for a while. His voice was indeed changing but not as drastically as it would first appear. He did indeed have an issue with laryngitis as mentioned in his book which is why 15BO featured his vocals being raspier than anything before or since until 1979 or so. Course, recording and touring while having laryngitis is not conducive to healing the vocal cords. Throw in smoking like a chimney and there's already a recipe for disaster even before you add drugs back into the mix.

So yeah Brian's voice did change for a variety of reasons. Had he taken care of himself his voice might have come back a bit more. 1976 was the outlier. MIU was the "real" mature Brian voice. Sadly afterwards is when the real permanent decline came...

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« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2017, 12:52:04 PM »

I don't know...the lyrics don't really bother me as much as, say, Belles of Paris.
Mike sounds like he is reading out of a geography book....
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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2017, 01:38:03 PM »

I don't know...the lyrics don't really bother me as much as, say, Belles of Paris.
Mike sounds like he is reading out of a geography book....

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2017, 02:30:38 PM »

I initially misread that as "pornography book" which would definitely change the song. ..
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2017, 02:33:10 PM »

Belles of Paris (Hilton) Wink
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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2017, 02:49:14 PM »

it's a shame Brian didn't record more demos of his songs featuring his own lead vocal, at least not many that we know of.

sure would love to hear him sing God Only Knows and many more when they were hot off the press!

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« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2017, 05:07:05 PM »

Belles of Paris (Hilton) Wink

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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2017, 05:08:41 PM »

it's a shame Brian didn't record more demos of his songs featuring his own lead vocal, at least not many that we know of.

sure would love to hear him sing God Only Knows and many more when they were hot off the press!



Agreed
 Actually my favorite recordings generally are the Love You era demos with just Brian and his piano
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2017, 05:55:00 PM »

I initially misread that as "pornography book" which would definitely change the song. ..

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