AGD missing, the future of this forum

[Bicyclerider]

I hope what I posted doesn't come off like I'm attacking anybody, or defending doe. I know he's said and done a lot of hurtful things to people. I guess I just keep thinking about lessons my dad always taught me. In situations like this I hear my dad's voice saying "Be the better man. Don't stoop to his level"

Exactly.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Might I suggest this thread be moved to the Sandbox. Doe isn't worthy of this section of the Board.

+10

[guitarfool2002]

You'll have to excuse me if I don't shed a tear of pity or lend a sympathetic ear in this situation. As someone who fell under the same kind of attempts to be torn down and attacked personally over issues related to a f***ing message board, attempts which are still resonating today among anyone naive enough to believe Doe's personal attack bullshit...no sympathy here. None, zero, zip, nada. Sometimes a good dose of karma coming back to kick someone in the ass isn't a bad thing.

Consider where were these current calls for an easing up when Doe was attacking others? Anyone? Hello? Years of this, and it went unchecked, ignored, or encouraged. Where was the support or defense of people here when Doe was sending his PM's around this board based on lies and attempts to screw this place over because HE and his peeps didn't like the decisions made? Also adding that a number of the attacks were done where the people being targeted could not respond or defend themselves, and weren't even aware they were happening because of where and how the attacks were being posted.

Consider too has he ever stepped up and apologized to anyone he targeted, lied about, or slandered? If anything, and I saw it recently in Billy's case, he did the opposite and doubled down instead of manning up and saying "I'm sorry".

It's a two-way street.

[Bicyclerider]

I don't think anyone needs to shed a tear -  if people want to attack Doe for his egregious and outrageous behavior on this board in the past, feel free to do so, as it certainly seems justified.  Attacking him for his personal life situation is petty and irrelevant and mean-spirited.  If we want to set an example for how we want the smiley board to be, now, we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of and the tactics of banned past members.

[guitarfool2002]

I don't think anyone needs to shed a tear -  if people want to attack Doe for his egregious and outrageous behavior on this board in the past, feel free to do so, as it certainly seems justified.  Attacking him for his personal life situation is petty and irrelevant and mean-spirited.  If we want to set an example for how we want the smiley board to be, now, we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of and the tactics of banned past members.

I agree with that, however as recently as in the past few weeks the exact same behavior that is being criticized in this thread regarding attacking a person's life and personal situations played out in almost the exact same scenario including appearing on a place where the person being attacked had no access to either reply, defend, or even know about it. Not a year ago, not 6 months ago, but within the past few weeks. And shame on those who encouraged and "liked" this garbage being spewed in the name of whatever justification those people (among them some well-known names in BB circles and the like) had for supporting that or even implying support instead of stepping up and saying "Not cool".

If it were not still continuing, if there had been even the smallest gesture of apology or even a mea culpa, it would be a different situation. But it's the same thing continuing as it has, and shame on those for condoning it or showing implied encouragement by not stepping in and saying "no" to the parties who started all this in the first place and can't seem to end it.

Truth and facts, pesky things, those...as the saying goes.

[DonnyL]

The BBs have to have the most f'ed up jacked up fanbase of all time!

It's a true statement, but this is basically because some people don't believe in defending continual toxic behavior - even when coming from members of their favorite band - while other people are somehow able to not only defend it, but go to great lengths to excuse it in every way possible. This is at the heart of why things are the way they are.  This is the root cause. Tragic.  If one is to be honest with themselves, this statement is as accurate as the famous Jack Rieley quote.

I get that some people are more "forgiving" than others, but ultimately there  just needs to be a line drawn where all people can agree certain things are simply not OK. The inability of some factions of the fanbase to be willing to ever, ever draw that line is ultimately why the fanbase is divided the way it is.

I really don't think this is the case at all. The way I see it is some are arguing for some kind of "moral compass" for this board, while others advocate setting personal issues aside and focusing on "on-topic" content.

[rab2591]

I don't think anyone needs to shed a tear -  if people want to attack Doe for his egregious and outrageous behavior on this board in the past, feel free to do so, as it certainly seems justified.  Attacking him for his personal life situation is petty and irrelevant and mean-spirited.  If we want to set an example for how we want the smiley board to be, now, we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of and the tactics of banned past members.

I 100% agree with this. The ironic thing is that Doe was asked by an "interested party" (gee who could that be?? Lol) to find out where OSD lived. With that context, OSD commenting on Doe's possible living situation seems like small potatoes. That being said, again, I totally agree with you.

[rab2591]

Speaking of which, anyone else find it creepy as f*** that an "interested party" connected to Doe was trying to find the home address of a poster on this forum?

[CenturyDeprived]

The BBs have to have the most f'ed up jacked up fanbase of all time!

It's a true statement, but this is basically because some people don't believe in defending continual toxic behavior - even when coming from members of their favorite band - while other people are somehow able to not only defend it, but go to great lengths to excuse it in every way possible. This is at the heart of why things are the way they are.  This is the root cause. Tragic.  If one is to be honest with themselves, this statement is as accurate as the famous Jack Rieley quote.

I get that some people are more "forgiving" than others, but ultimately there  just needs to be a line drawn where all people can agree certain things are simply not OK. The inability of some factions of the fanbase to be willing to ever, ever draw that line is ultimately why the fanbase is divided the way it is.

I really don't think this is the case at all. The way I see it is some are arguing for some kind of "moral compass" for this board, while others advocate setting personal issues aside and focusing on "on-topic" content.

Fair enough, I can appreciate that point of view, particularly in light of the recent Desper situation.  That said, I still think there's some truth in a general sense to what I was saying. On the whole, that particular issue (of toxic behavior being endlessly defended to an often ridiculous degree) certainly doesn't *help* keep a fanbase intact.

[SMiLE Brian]

Don't forget I was a victim of the witch-hunt as well just for posting my honest opinions. I never joined the board for Doe to attack me and other posters to the point of being accused of being Melinda Wilson.

[SMiLE Brian]

Speaking of which, anyone else find it creepy as f*** that an "interested party" connected to Doe was trying to find the home address of a poster on this forum?

I think I got off easy being accused of being Melinda....

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

I don't think anyone needs to shed a tear -  if people want to attack Doe for his egregious and outrageous behavior on this board in the past, feel free to do so, as it certainly seems justified.  Attacking him for his personal life situation is petty and irrelevant and mean-spirited.  If we want to set an example for how we want the smiley board to be, now, we shouldn't repeat the mistakes of and the tactics of banned past members.

I 100% agree with this. The ironic thing is that Doe was asked by an "interested party" (gee who could that be?? Lol) to find out where OSD lived. With that context, OSD commenting on Doe's possible living situation seems like small potatoes. That being said, again, I totally agree with you.

Without implying any degree of bravado, the kokodoester doesn't ever want to "find" me. It just wouldn't be at all beneficial on his behalf. And yes, read between the lines if you so choose.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

[SMiLE Brian]

Trust me, OSD is a badass!

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

I think Ang could take care of herself even though doekoko has a brown belt in waddling.

[SMiLE Brian]

 

[rab2591]

Don't forget I was a victim of the witch-hunt as well just for posting my honest opinions. I never joined the board for Doe to attack me and other posters to the point of being accused of being Melinda Wilson.

But Mike's legacy was at stake! You were only looking for a victim and chose Mike because, uh, randomness! Meanwhile in reality hand me any given Mike Love interview from whatever podunk town parking lot/rodeo the touring band has played and I'd be hard pressed NOT to find some ludicrous statement about or regarding Brian. It's not that hard to find a reason to dislike the man.

[rab2591]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

I wish the PS forum luck in dealing with this kind of lunacy. Forreal, just because the venue changed doesn't mean the people are any different. Sure now it looks like a pleasant circle jerk for those who think Mike Love can do no wrong. But when those opinions start veering back to reality it'll be interesting to see if the mods there will get any creepy af PMs asking for IP locations for an "interested party", or if someone will get a PM regarding the known locale of a person whose opinion doesn't jibe with whatever ridiculous defense of Mike Love is being written that day...

[Lee Marshall]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

f***!!!  Really!!!  Wholly sh*t!!!  NEVER knew THAT either.  That explains, perhaps, why [while I was away from the message boards for 2 1/2 years] Ang's on-line demeanor seemed to change as radically as I thought it had.  Wow!!!   f***!!!

[SMiLE Brian]

Yeah Lee....

[Robbie Mac]

Speaking of which, anyone else find it creepy as f*** that an "interested party" connected to Doe was trying to find the home address of a poster on this forum?

I find that much more disturbing that anything levied against AGD.

[Jay]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

Do those messages still exist(screenshots?)? Seems like a matter for the police. Let's not forget, online bullying is now being taken(read: prosecuted) much more seriously now.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

Do those messages still exist(screenshots?)? Seems like a matter for the police. Let's not forget, online bullying is now being taken(read: prosecuted) much more seriously now.

Yeah, I posted it in the AGD ban thread

[thorgil]

Just found that topic, I recalled it's sth. to do with setting the record straight, here's post about OSD: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

Thanks RR for this reminder of how this board REALLY was when it was "healthy, thriving and full of great contributions by real experts".

[thorgil]

Don't forget he also said he found out where Ang Jones lives and not to be surprised if something happened to her.

That's pretty heavy stuff, the worst among his offences imho. That guy is the worst thing that could happen to a fanbase.