AGD missing, the future of this forum

[Robbie Mac]

Andrew wouldn't think twice about throwing someone under the bus.

[DonnyL]

I thought the way Doe harangued Carol Kaye was ridiculous (whether she had given incorrect info or not).

To the best of my recollection Carol called him out on the old Blue Board over something. I can't remember the exact nature of the disagreement but she threw up to him that she'd heard he was still living with his mother, in her basement.

She was a very easy target after that. The vitriol was unbelievable, how he could say some of the things he said about her, a living legend and him only a legend in his own mind.

Melinda also called him out, asking him exactly what his problem was, she was in the firing line after that, too.

Living with his mom, huh?   And in the basement!   Did she feed him too? What a psychological sad sack. No wonder he gets along so well with myKe luHv.

This kind of post is just as bad as what AGD is accused of. I find it peculiar that this kind of post is generally tolerated.

[mike moseley]

Yes it was absurd to treat her the way he did.  She was wrong too to mock him but understandable if he had been bullying her.

I hate all the bad feeling.  I'd love more threads analyzing the music - I'd start more but I'm not technical enough to deconstruct it half as well as some members.

I'd love to see more on CIFOTM/Little Bird as I think there may be more of Child in the latter than is generally noticed.
 

I thought the way Doe harangued Carol Kaye was ridiculous (whether she had given incorrect info or not).

To the best of my recollection Carol called him out on the old Blue Board over something. I can't remember the exact nature of the disagreement but she threw up to him that she'd heard he was still living with his mother, in her basement.

She was a very easy target after that. The vitriol was unbelievable, how he could say some of the things he said about her, a living legend and him only a legend in his own mind.

Melinda also called him out, asking him exactly what his problem was, she was in the firing line after that, too.

[Jay]

I thought the way Doe harangued Carol Kaye was ridiculous (whether she had given incorrect info or not).

To the best of my recollection Carol called him out on the old Blue Board over something. I can't remember the exact nature of the disagreement but she threw up to him that she'd heard he was still living with his mother, in her basement.

She was a very easy target after that. The vitriol was unbelievable, how he could say some of the things he said about her, a living legend and him only a legend in his own mind.

Melinda also called him out, asking him exactly what his problem was, she was in the firing line after that, too.

Living with his mom, huh?   And in the basement!   Did she feed him too? What a psychological sad sack. No wonder he gets along so well with myKe luHv.

This kind of post is just as bad as what AGD is accused of. I find it peculiar that this kind of post is generally tolerated.

Agreed.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I thought the way Doe harangued Carol Kaye was ridiculous (whether she had given incorrect info or not).

To the best of my recollection Carol called him out on the old Blue Board over something. I can't remember the exact nature of the disagreement but she threw up to him that she'd heard he was still living with his mother, in her basement.

She was a very easy target after that. The vitriol was unbelievable, how he could say some of the things he said about her, a living legend and him only a legend in his own mind.

Melinda also called him out, asking him exactly what his problem was, she was in the firing line after that, too.

Living with his mom, huh?  And in the basement!  Did she feed him too? What a psychological sad sack. No wonder he gets along so well with myKe luHv.

This kind of post is just as bad as what AGD is accused of. I find it peculiar that this kind of post is generally tolerated.

In all fairness, I can see why osd posted what he did, considering what Doe has done publicly and privately to people. That said, two wrongs don't make a right, even if it is Doe.

[RangeRoverA1]

Iirc, in some old thread Agd started 1st calling OSD names. He said sth. along the lines of that he lives with mother too. & made very uncalled for physical remark.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Iirc, in some old thread Agd started 1st calling OSD names. He said sth. along the lines of that he lives with mother too. & made very uncalled for physical remark.

And was pumping me for personal information  (like real name, address, ect) for an "interested party" (hinting around it was Mike)...I would prefer that the comments made about Doe stay more, um, "adult" and on topic as opposed to personal attacks, but I can definitely forgive if justifiable anger comes out. Too many people have been burned,  and not just on ways that can be made public on the board

[RangeRoverA1]

Just found that topic, I recalled it's sth. to do with setting the record straight, here's post about OSD: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Also might I add that while attacking Andrew and bringing up him living with his mom in her basement may have crossed a line,  it needs to be spelled out that Andrew did the same to me, slandering my name and implying there was a darker reason for my own homelessness and subsequent moving in with family.  

Let it also be known that if I ever get proof that he has continued  to slander me and I find out he's been making untrue allegations about me and I have proof, I WILL look into my legal options.

[Jay]

I hope what I posted doesn't come off like I'm attacking anybody, or defending doe. I know he's said and done a lot of hurtful things to people. I guess I just keep thinking about lessons my dad always taught me. In situations like this I hear my dad's voice saying "Be the better man. Don't stoop to his level"

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Just found that topic, I recalled it's sth. to do with setting the record straight, here's post about OSD: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

Thank you for that. And of course, OSD got punished for responding to what Andrew said, but he got off scott free because he's Andrew G. Love and I fell for his act like a schmuck.  I've since apologized to osd privately,  but now I'm doing it again only publicly.  

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I hope what I posted doesn't come off like I'm attacking anybody, or defending doe. I know he's said and done a lot of hurtful things to people. I guess I just keep thinking about lessons my dad always taught me. In situations like this I hear my dad's voice saying "Be the better man. Don't stoop to his level"

Understood. I'm struggling with it myself.

[Jay]

Just found that topic, I recalled it's sth. to do with setting the record straight, here's post about OSD: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

Thank you for that. And of course, OSD got punished for responding to what Andrew said, but he got off scott free because he's Andrew G. Love and I fell for his act like a schmuck.  I've since apologized to osd privately,  but now I'm doing it again only publicly.  

It's interesting that andy accused OSD of the exact same thing he was going through himself. Projecting anger at our own misfortune, much? 

[Robbie Mac]

What irks me is that the older SuperFans STILL think Andrew walks on water. Either he's really good at pouring on the bullshit or he has been losing it over the years.

[SMiLE Brian]

Andrew G. Love!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Andrew G. Love!

That was my phones autocorrect

[Moon Dawg]

  For years and years and years, AGD's boorish behavior was tolerated, rationalized, condoned...even celebrated. Now he is Public Enemy Number One in Smiley Smile world. Funny how the wind shifts...

[DonnyL]

... and for those who think I'm defending AGD or "on his side", it was fun revisiting this thread here (I was basically arguing the same points I am in this thread with AGD):

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php?topic=11763.160;wap2

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Just found that topic, I recalled it's sth. to do with setting the record straight, here's post about OSD: http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,14464.msg326433.html#msg326433

Thank you for that. And of course, OSD got punished for responding to what Andrew said, but he got off scott free because he's Andrew G. Love and I fell for his act like a schmuck.  I've since apologized to osd privately,  but now I'm doing it again only publicly.  

Much appreciated then and now, Billy. 

[Lee Marshall]

Sorry about your 'shortcomings' OSD.  I'd never given it any thought until this woeful thread apparently re-introduced the matter to those of us who had, hithertofore, been merely UNinformed. 

Glad I missed all of THAT.  It ain't the AGD I knew from years and years ago...but it would seem, given ALL that went down, that maybe I didn't know him as well as I thought I did. 

Then again...these are pretty much ALL on-line message board relationships so we really know "dick" about anybody...NOT that I'm actually calling anyone HERE a "dick" or making a comment about anything to do with what size 'jock' one might require if they were to suit up for a sport where the eggs [etc.] might get cracked or broken.    <  Betcha THAT'd hurt.

[Gerry]

I think making Andrew the topic of a thread would just about make his day; that, and kicking his dog. No offence to any dogs out there, or cats , animals of any kind.

[MikestheGreatest!!]

The BBs have to have the most f'ed up jacked up fanbase of all time!

[CenturyDeprived]

The BBs have to have the most f'ed up jacked up fanbase of all time!

It's a true statement, but this is basically because some people don't believe in defending continual toxic behavior - even when coming from members of their favorite band - while other people are somehow able to not only defend it, but go to great lengths to excuse it in every way possible. This is at the heart of why things are the way they are.  This is the root cause. Tragic.  If one is to be honest with themselves, this statement is as accurate as the famous Jack Rieley quote.

I get that some people are more "forgiving" than others, but ultimately there  just needs to be a line drawn where all people can agree certain things are simply not OK. The inability of some factions of the fanbase to be willing to ever, ever draw that line is ultimately why the fanbase is divided the way it is.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Might I suggest this thread be moved to the Sandbox. Doe isn't worthy of this section of the Board.

[Jay]

That's cold.