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« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2016, 11:22:03 AM »

I was forgetting about "soft-spoken intellectuals"... make fun of me all you want, but I still think many posters, both here and in the PSF, can be called that. And I know that "intellectual" is usually considered an insult nowadays, becoming probably heinous if coupled with "soft-spoken", but I mean it as a compliment.  
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2016, 11:43:21 AM »

Thank you for the kind words. I actually think the board is in better shape than it has in a long time; it just seems like things are bad because there's very little to talk about these days, and things like the political talk end up dominating the board. Over on the other forum there's very little activity as well, so it's not just here.
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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2016, 12:00:06 PM »

Not neutral at all, thorgil: I'm unabashedly on my side. As for soft-spoken and intellectual, I consider both to be great compliments.
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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2016, 12:01:51 PM »

I was forgetting about "soft-spoken intellectuals"... make fun of me all you want, but I still think many posters, both here and in the PSF, can be called that. And I know that "intellectual" is usually considered an insult nowadays, becoming probably heinous if coupled with "soft-spoken", but I mean it as a compliment. 

I definitely consider being intellectual as a compliment...not sure how and why it got turned into an insult these days!
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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2016, 12:08:08 PM »

I definitely consider being intellectual as a compliment...not sure how and why it got turned into an insult these days!

I don't think it did. It was the captain's turn of phrase that cracked me up, is all.
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« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2016, 12:10:51 PM »

Nah, there have been people who have used it as an insult previously...never understood that one!
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2016, 12:53:35 PM »


Which is ironic since as far as I know the main moderators over at PSF are left leaning, particularly Bubbly


Yeah, true..maybe Andersson too but I'm a bit confused at this point who everyone is but certainly the more vocal right leaning posters seem to be all there now.

Andersson is a crazy conspiracy theorist.  He once tried to convince me that the Newtown shooting was a hoax.

Who says conspiracy theorists can lean only to the right?  LOL

Those kind of conspiracy theories tend to come from the Alex Jones crowd.
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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2016, 12:54:43 PM »

This guy?
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/trump-ally-alex-jones-wonders-if-carrie-fisher-was-murdered/

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Jones, who said that he was only speculating, compared Fisher’s passing to the death of Joan Rivers, whom Jones believes was murdered by the Obama administration for revealing that First Lady Michelle Obama “is a tranny.”
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2016, 01:26:52 PM »

There is a fine line between "conspiracy theorist", and " total and complete lunatic who needs to be locked in a padded room".  Grin
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« Reply #34 on: December 27, 2016, 01:31:27 PM »

Yeah, that guy didn't just cross the line, he took his pants off and teabagged it.
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« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2016, 02:28:33 PM »

Yeah, that guy didn't just cross the line, he took his pants off and teabagged it.

 LOL

I think a possible problem with intellectual is when it's used in combination with frigid, lol. Who was it who said that? Just came to me----Suzy Creamcheese on Uncle Meat in a bizarre conversation with Frank Zappa: "I was your frigid intellectual housekeeper." Grin     
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« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2016, 02:34:09 PM »

I'm gonna do a song called Frigid Intellectual Housecat. LOL
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« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2016, 03:42:11 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNkjDuSVXiE&feature=youtu.be
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« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2016, 07:58:48 PM »

This forum isn't in a death spiral because a few posters who rarely if ever posted anything substantial for 4+ years (if ever) decide to bail out. That's as ridiculous as the other failed attempts and "campaigns" that have tried to throw dirt on this place and the people who are members here.
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2016, 08:04:14 PM »

I gotta say...I'm really not comfortable with seeing this thread'ss title right next to the Carrie Fisher thread at all, to the point where I'm considering changing the topic name or bumping another thread to at least separate the two.
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« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2016, 08:15:34 PM »

I gotta say...I'm really not comfortable with seeing this thread'ss title right next to the Carrie Fisher thread at all, to the point where I'm considering changing the topic name or bumping another thread to at least separate the two.

I'd say put the Carrie Fisher discussion in the off-topic general discussions sub-forum, it's where other tributes and announcements about entertainers and musicians have gone and Carrie was one hell of an entertainer...not the usual fodder for a Sandbox topic, especially bullshit like this one's subject matter.
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« Reply #41 on: December 27, 2016, 08:32:51 PM »

Only issue...there isn't one. There's one devoted to music, but not a general one. Hmm...that may be something to consider....
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« Reply #42 on: December 27, 2016, 08:35:04 PM »

Just did it.
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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2016, 04:22:45 AM »

Getting back to the subject at hand, I mentioned something to Billy in private something that I think might be a good idea to try, or at least consider. I propose that a new  board rule be instated, expressely banning any and all political discussion from the board.
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2016, 04:54:10 AM »

Getting back to the subject at hand, I mentioned something to Billy in private something that I think might be a good idea to try, or at least consider. I propose that a new board rule be instated, expressely banning any and all political discussion from the board.

I know it's difficult to draw a line between political discussion that belongs in the main section (the Boys and Trump) and political discussion that belongs here (just Trump) but to ban everything everywhere? Surely it's as legit a topic as what are you doing/reading/cooking/eating/etc. There are those here who like discussing it----and most eloquently in some cases.

Anyway, I'm not sure anything should be banned en masse. Better to judge each new topic on its own merits, I say.

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« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2016, 06:20:11 AM »

Banned from the sandbox? That would be a drag.
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« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2016, 07:19:35 AM »

I'd stop visiting the board for sure. This isn't some kind of dramatic "I'm leaving" crap, because that's all very boring. But after almost two decades, the BBs stuff gets so repetitive, I'm mostly looking for other topics: maybe 40-50% of why I visit the board is to talk politics.

Banning it would be a sad concession to people who are apparently incapable of having a disagreement without getting too worked up and hating each other (and/or quitting in dramatic fashion while condemning libtards or cucks or whoever it is they're mad at, presumably while starting threads about death spirals).

Perhaps we could ban mention of Mike Love and Brian Wilson, as well. After all, that stupid little fan-feud causes even more name-calling, novel-posts, and grand departures.
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2016, 08:04:06 AM »

My own take: Remember that over the past year or two, there were concerted efforts both public and behind the scenes to try scrubbing this board of anything deemed critical of band members, to the point where moderators were apparently expected to judge individual posts in terms of what would be defined as critical of a band member and act accordingly to remove them, up to making criticism of band members a bannable offense. When those efforts failed, there were campaigns started to remove or replace moderators ostensibly to put moderators in place who would be more open to these bans, re-definitions of the rules, and outright scrubdowns of members who some individuals didn't want to see around.

There was a campaign to gin up support for an open election of moderators, akin to a popular vote, but the fact that some of the more vocal proponents of that were either involved in or had knowledge of members who were holding multiple accounts and using those multiple accounts to evade bans and outright troll the board trying to hide their identity made the notion of a fair vote an impossibility if not an outright joke.

The board is running smooth over the past 6 months or so with a few unfortunate hiccups (some related to the political discussions going into the music discussions), perhaps too smooth for some who wish to see it trashed and dismantled, and perhaps also some don't want to recognize what (and who) some of the issues causing the bigger negative issues going back years may have been. It's not that hard to see, is it?

Point is, there was a time when a form of real censorship was being pushed on this board directly related to on-topic music discussions, and fortunately it was rejected. For all of the mass departures and bellyaching, for all of the personal attacks on moderators, admins, and the board membership in general, for all of the lies and distortions being spread on multiple outlets related to the Beach Boys including Facebook...the board is still here and the readership numbers are pretty much where they were prior to the mass exodus to greener pastures, minus 15 or so people who were among those most vocal in trying to scrub this forum of "undesirables" including mods and admin, and calling for stricter rules and enforcement while bending and breaking the existing rules via their conduct and interactions with other board members. It's simple to do the math if you add it up.

Maybe I'm not recalling all of it, but I don't remember there being much of a public pushback when that overt censorship mentality regarding criticism of the band and band members was being suggested for this forum, and that would have affected the main topic of this forum, not just off-topic "sandbox" types of discussions.
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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2016, 09:11:14 AM »

I agree with a ban on the political talk in the sandbox.

It's a constant stream of .

The Trump topic may seem as legit as cooking or reading to some people here. But if I post about how I made an exquisite chicken parmesan this past weekend I most likely won't be met with a "f*** YOU" or given a 5 paragraph essay daily, for the next 4-8, years on why chicken parmesan sucks. One's love for Hemingway isn't met with a seemingly never ending two-person circlejerk on why Hemingway is overrated.

The stupid little fan-feuds regarding Mike and Brian are visibly upsetting to some here. But logically one would kind of expect those fan feuds to occur on a forum devoted to one of music's most controversial bands.
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« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2016, 09:45:01 AM »

But if two people want to talk at length about why Hemingway is overrated, why should that bother you? There are multiple threads I find uninteresting or if I read them annoying, so I don't read them. Why try to control other people's conversation?
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