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« Reply #675 on: July 26, 2017, 11:30:43 AM »

Yeah, the really harsh demonization of immigrants and other groups really tipped me off to the tactics he was using these days. After complaining that people said the president was "unpresidential"  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #676 on: July 26, 2017, 12:04:13 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/07/26/trumps-argument-against-transgender-soldiers-echoes-one-used-against-gays-women-and-blacks/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_analysis-1150a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8f1029b58659
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« Reply #677 on: July 26, 2017, 12:44:24 PM »


Good article.

It's such a stupid argument. The US military is so bloated as it is that to complain at this point about rising costs due to transgendered people is just obscene beyond belief.

It is honestly despicable how politicians constantly use "rising taxes" to garner support from the public for cutting public services and social assistance while simultaneously behind closed doors investing public funds into programs on the grounds that it will strengthen and reinforce the country's most powerful people and institutions.
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« Reply #678 on: July 27, 2017, 04:46:02 PM »

Completely BS argument. Military health care pays for cosmetic surgery for cis people 
The move was completely cynical
Here, this checks out. You can find the debate in house transcripts and going back a month or so. Trump didn't care until it threatened the "win" on his damned BS wall:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/07/26/trump-transgender-military-ban-behind-the-scenes-240990
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« Reply #679 on: July 27, 2017, 05:08:16 PM »

If only each side could see through the sophistry of their own side as well as they see through the sophistry of the other side.

EoL
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« Reply #680 on: July 27, 2017, 06:57:16 PM »

If only human reason wasn't skewed by a need for symmetry.
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« Reply #681 on: July 27, 2017, 07:17:28 PM »

If only human reason wasn't skewed by a need for symmetry.

If only you were responding to someone who had stated there was an equal amount of sophistry on each side.
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« Reply #682 on: July 27, 2017, 08:15:11 PM »

If only human reason wasn't skewed by a need for symmetry.

If only you were responding to someone who had stated there was an equal amount of sophistry on each side.

Then what are you saying exactly? Has someone here made a fallacious argument? If so, who and what was it?
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« Reply #683 on: July 29, 2017, 08:47:10 AM »

And, finally, the Senate has rejected the bid for a skinny repeal of Obamacare. With Republicans in control of everything, this truly demonstrates the political incompetence of Trump. Though, in this case, I would say that this is where his incompetence actually comes in handy because I would certainly want him to fail in his bid to repeal Obamacare in the name of taking healthcare away from 15 million Americans to save money for the nation's most powerful people.
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« Reply #684 on: July 29, 2017, 08:58:33 AM »

Where is sinistersmile? Grin
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« Reply #685 on: July 29, 2017, 04:42:10 PM »

A moment of respite. John McCain sure is mavericky.
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« Reply #686 on: July 31, 2017, 09:59:34 AM »

A new study has illustrated in striking detail the dangers of man-made climate change. Two different studies using two different methods predict catastrophic consequences by the 21st century - meaning that it will affect the lives of my child and her potential children.

I think we need to lay the blame where it deserves to be laid, namely on the fundamentalist devotion to the most dangerous ideology of our lives: capitalism.
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« Reply #687 on: July 31, 2017, 01:56:05 PM »

By end of 21st? By 22nd?
Do you have a link? Not that I need to read more bad news today.
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« Reply #688 on: July 31, 2017, 02:35:43 PM »

By end of 21st? By 22nd?
Do you have a link? Not that I need to read more bad news today.

By the end of the 21st:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/31/health/climate-change-two-degrees-studies/index.html
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« Reply #689 on: July 31, 2017, 02:38:43 PM »

A new study has illustrating in striking detail the dangers of man-made climate change. Two different studies using two different methods predict catastrophic consequences by the 21st century - meaning that it will affect the lives of my child and her potential children.

I think we need to lay the blame where it deserves to be laid, namely on the fundamentalist devotion to the most dangerous ideology of our lives: capitalism.

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« Reply #690 on: August 12, 2017, 06:55:50 AM »

Being a VA resident, this is scary stuff...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-more-top-stories_vaprotest-226am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.3c693baf2ff7
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« Reply #691 on: August 12, 2017, 07:38:15 AM »


It is scary stuff. But we have to remember that this sentiment has been around for a while now. I see at as the failure of the left, of which I count myself a member, that we haven't communicated our message as effectively as the right-wing extremists have.
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« Reply #692 on: August 12, 2017, 11:25:28 AM »

Virginia now declared a state of emergency. Car has just plowed through left-wing counter-protesters.

EDIT: At least one dead in what appears to be a right-wing white supremacist terror attack.
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« Reply #693 on: August 12, 2017, 11:53:52 AM »

Jesus, what a terrible day for a great city in VA....
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« Reply #694 on: August 12, 2017, 11:54:33 AM »

Jesus, what a terrible day for a great city in VA....

Stay safe, SB.
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« Reply #695 on: August 12, 2017, 12:34:56 PM »

What the #%?+ is going on in our country? All this over a stupid statue! Thud

We're regressing to the early '60s.    Cry
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« Reply #696 on: August 12, 2017, 01:32:39 PM »

What the #%?+ is going on in our country? All this over a stupid statue! Thud

We're regressing to the early '60s.    Cry

Here's my answer to your question:

Since the 1960s, the US public has become vastly more aware and knowledgeable and invested in the things that their government is doing. At the same time, there have been reforms put in place that have radically decreased the standard of living for the vast majority of the country while increasing the power and wealth of the country's ownership class. That this has happened in a period of increased awareness and activism has meant that a great deal of effort has been spent on propagandizing the public. It is inevitable that people are going to be mad about the conditions of their lives, so rather than allow for these people to explore for themselves the reason why, they must be presented with a distorted picture of reality. So whereas the real problem is the hegemonic structure of the corporate system that dominates all aspects of public life, people are being misled into directing their anger towards governments, minorities, women, other countries, etc. Of course, a great many people have not been propagandized but it has had an effect as those who have a vested interest in propagating this distorted worldview by and large control information.
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« Reply #697 on: August 12, 2017, 07:51:48 PM »

Never thought I'd read an American Manifesto bashing capitalism. Christ, a lot of this makes me physically cringe.

Also: Trump got healthcare to a vote in less than 200 days. We have 4 years to do this right. Actually, could be 8 years.
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« Reply #698 on: August 12, 2017, 09:48:38 PM »

Never thought I'd read an American Manifesto bashing capitalism. Christ, a lot of this makes me physically cringe.

Erm...Abraham Lincoln bashed it - he opposed the capitalist system of wage slavery that forced "the prudent, penniless beginner in the world" to "labor for wages." It was simply part of the conservative American tradition at that point to be extremely skeptical of a system that forced people to rent out their labour to a master.

And let's face it, America has never been a genuinely capitalist country so it's not like there's some natural correlation between America and capitalism.
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« Reply #699 on: Today at 05:14:20 AM »

Re: healthcare - interesting thought that doing a bad and completely ineffectual job quickly is praiseworthy.
In other news, here's what I've been saying for 20 years, as a general pattern and for 1+ in the particular instance:

https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/33759251/2017-08_electionReport.pdf?sequence=3

PS. Some people still support Trump. Wtf?
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