Thoughts on people around Brian

[HeyJude]

I don't think anyone is particularly denying potential shenanigans with some of those C50 sigs.

For what it's worth, I've compared my 2015 BW signature sold via the PBS website on the Soundstage Blu-ray to another copy also sold through PBS, and they're different from each other and both seem to be pretty likely legit (rather shakey/spidery). Again, it's odd that they do *hundreds* if not *thousands* of legit autographs and then fakeys end up surfacing as well.

[GhostyTMRS]

I also think a distinction should be made regarding the "people around Brian". There's a big difference between Melinda and some low level schlub either forging Brian's signature or using a stamp. Ultimately, yes, it does reflect poorly on the people at the top but I find it very difficult to believe that someone who's actually close to Brian is cranking out fake autographs.

It's very simple. Whoever is doing it should be shown the door immediately. "Autogate" should never be allowed to happen again.

[mikeddonn]

I also think a distinction should be made regarding the "people around Brian". There's a big difference between Melinda and some low level schlub either forging Brian's signature or using a stamp. Ultimately, yes, it does reflect poorly on the people at the top but I find it very difficult to believe that someone who's actually close to Brian is cranking out fake autographs.

It's very simple. Whoever is doing it should be shown the door immediately. "Autogate" should never be allowed to happen again.

I doubt it's someone low level.  It's not a large corporation.  There is a small team who work for Brian.  The money will go back to Brian's bank from a company such as Premiere Collections.  I wouldn't think some 'shady' person handed over some fake signed books and was paid cash for them.  If it's in Brian's organisation then it's likely to have been someone close.

Unless of course it was Premiere Collections who forged some of the signatures from the legit delivery they received.

What happened to all the inserts Ray witnessed Brian sign?  Someone must know who they were for.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I doubt it's someone low level.  It's not a large corporation.  There is a small team who work for Brian.  The money will go back to Brian's bank from a company such as Premiere Collections.  I wouldn't think some 'shady' person handed over some fake signed books and was paid cash for them.  If it's in Brian's organisation then it's likely to have been someone close.

Unless of course it was Premiere Collections who forged some of the signatures from the legit delivery they received.

I would be willing to bet it would be the latter.

check this out

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/gifted-a-possible-fake-manning-autograph

[Marty Castillo]

I doubt it's someone low level.  It's not a large corporation.  There is a small team who work for Brian.  The money will go back to Brian's bank from a company such as Premiere Collections.  I wouldn't think some 'shady' person handed over some fake signed books and was paid cash for them.  If it's in Brian's organisation then it's likely to have been someone close.

Unless of course it was Premiere Collections who forged some of the signatures from the legit delivery they received.

I would be willing to bet it would be the latter.

check this out

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/gifted-a-possible-fake-manning-autograph

Billy, I'm not sure what you are suggesting here. The link is above is a fake autograph on a jersey. Premiere Collectibles only deals in signed books. The link apparently highlights the fact that someone was trying to use their good reputation by issuing a COA using a variation on their name. I know the instinct is to protect Brian, but I would be shocked if this can't be traced to either the publisher or Brian's team. The fact that Premiere Collectibles apparently can't get a response tells me a lot.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I see what happens if I don't read the entire page! Would help if I had spelled "Collectibles" correctly too...

Not seeing a whole lot of info on them, apart from some complaints with the BBB about people not getting their books, dating back a few years.

[MikestheGreatest!!]

Brian probably is medicated, he's got documented mental issues.  Don't know why anyone would be surprised by that assertion.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

It's the inference that he's "overmedicated" or kept docile that's the issue.

[HeyJude]

Brian probably is medicated, he's got documented mental issues.  Don't know why anyone would be surprised by that assertion.

The problem isn't the literal fact that Brian takes medication (as Brian has indicated by his own words).

Saying someone "is medicated" is different than saying "takes medication." It's a more loaded term, with usually quite different connotations.

"Brian is medicated" implies a passive sense of the word, as if someone is acting upon him. In the literal sense this is always true, as someone else has to prescribe medication.

But that passive phrasing, coupled with conflating Brian's time with Landy with his present situation, is the problem.

Mike isn't saying "Brian takes medication to deal with his issues." He says this:

“Brian’s life is controlled completely," he said. "It has been since Gene Landy, and it still is. And he’s medicated."

http://www.freep.com/story/entertainment/music/2016/08/17/mike-love-beach-boys-preview/88770362/

As in, Brian's life is controlled, Landy controlled it, and Brian's life still is (which implies in my opinion that the situation is analogous to Landy). He then adds that Brian is medicated. As if it's the next lamentable aspect of Brian's life, of Brian's being "controlled."

Mike's comment in that particular interview was not only out of line, it also showed a completely lack of understanding or familiarity with Brian's current *medical* situation, not to mention a lack of empathy.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

And as usual, you explained it way better than I could have

[RangeRoverA1]

Would help if I had spelled "Collectibles" correctly too...

You quoted mikeddonn. He said "Collections", maybe telephone typo. [Reply No.27]

[Mr. Verlander]

It really does seem as if the thing that burns Mike's ass more than anything else is that Brian doesn't want to write with him anymore. What I don't get is the assertion that this wound has been festering since Brian went to work with Tony Asher and Van Dyke Parks in 1966. By then, Brian had already struck up short-lived but basically exclusive (for a while) writing partnerships with Gary Usher and Roger Christian (I mean, Christian wasn't a "writing partner," but you know what I mean). How were Asher and Parks any different?

And then Brian went on to write a ton of songs with Mike during the '67-'70 period, almost as many as they had written during the '62-'65 period.

Probably because (rightly or wrongly), a lot of people consider the work he did with Asher and VDP to be Brian's "best". It was considered to be real art. The stuff that Mike wrote with Brian a lot of times ends up getting pushed into the "chicks and cars" pile, and is looked at in an entirely different way. Mike probably is bothered by the fact that the work he did with Brian isn't held in the same kind of regard, as far as a lot of critics go (which seems to matter to Mike, quite a bit).

[mikeddonn]

Would help if I had spelled "Collectibles" correctly too...

You quoted mikeddonn. He said "Collections", maybe telephone typo. [Reply No.27]

Yes, auto correct! Premiere Collectibles is what it should say.