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« Reply #200 on: September 16, 2016, 01:45:02 PM »

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Secondly, I agree that I don't think it's cool for Melinda to have put Autotune devices on stage without the band members having input on that decision.  

Only issue is...that statement as written is not true, as the shows where auto-tuned was used had Mike and Bruce's voice autotuned as well (not sure on Al). Those devices ceased being used circa end of May, as well. Also, on solo tours, Brian has not used them, yet Mike has.

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« Reply #201 on: September 16, 2016, 01:48:43 PM »

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Secondly, I agree that I don't think it's cool for Melinda to have put Autotune devices on stage without the band members having input on that decision.  

Only issue is...that statement as written is not true, as the shows where auto-tuned was used had Mike and Bruce's voice autotuned as well (not sure on Al). Those devices ceased being used circa end of May, as well. Also, on solo tours, Brian has not used them, yet Mike has.



Yeah, it does seem like an all-too-convinient excuse to use in hindsight. As I said, it's hard to think that Mike has some giant beef against Autotune (I wish he did, and I wish all band members did!) in a general sense, because pitch correction has blatantly been used on multiple recent Mike products. I can understand the concept that he wouldn't like someone coming in and making a change like that without getting his input though.
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« Reply #202 on: September 16, 2016, 02:12:56 PM »

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Secondly, I agree that I don't think it's cool for Melinda to have put Autotune devices on stage without the band members having input on that decision.  

Only issue is...that statement as written is not true, as the shows where auto-tuned was used had Mike and Bruce's voice autotuned as well (not sure on Al). Those devices ceased being used circa end of May, as well. Also, on solo tours, Brian has not used them, yet Mike has.



Yeah, it does seem like an all-too-convinient excuse to use in hindsight. As I said, it's hard to think that Mike has some giant beef against Autotune (I wish he did, and I wish all band members did!) in a general sense, because pitch correction has blatantly been used on multiple recent Mike products. I can understand the concept that he wouldn't like someone coming in and making a change like that without getting his input though.

I did find that claim odd given that Brian and band don't use the extensive vocal processing that Mike's band has appeared to use recently.  I thought maybe it was just the recordings I was hearing until Stephen Desper confirmed the fact that it was used live at one of Mike's recent shows on this MB.  At Brian's shows over the past years, I didn't have any sense that Brian's voice was altered in any way, nor anyone else's.  But Melinda was the one dying for "auto-tune?"  Another thing that's difficult to integrate.

I also find it interesting that Brian was able to get the 50th deal, and it certainly benefited Mike's profile (and probably ticket sales for his subsequent "BBs" shows) to agree to it, so I don't understand all the complaints - well other than the source of the complaints.
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« Reply #203 on: September 16, 2016, 02:19:41 PM »

I would presume the idea of Melinda putting these devices on stage is meant figuratively. I somehow doubt she personally was sneaking in over night and adding the devices herself.

Does autotune even work that way? I'm sure there are a bunch of different formats, outboard gear versus plug-ins used at the mixing board, etc. But wouldn't they most likely apply autotune back at the board versus actual devices attached to microphones?
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« Reply #204 on: September 16, 2016, 02:21:17 PM »

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Does autotune even work that way? I'm sure there are a bunch of different formats, outboard gear versus plug-ins used at the mixing board, etc. But wouldn't they most likely apply autotune back at the board versus actual devices attached to microphones?

Digital plug-ins.
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« Reply #205 on: September 16, 2016, 02:23:20 PM »

I don't have any trouble with the idea that Melinda, perhaps at the behest of, say, Joe Thomas more than arriving at the idea herself, may have been fine if not supportive of autotune. The autotune thing seemed to reassert itself and rear its head in a more forceful fashion when Joe Thomas came on the scene. If she was pushing autotune, and I'm pretty 50/50 at best on Mike's credibility on stories, then that's lamentable and a legit gripe.

But Mike's later use of autotune kind of undercuts that he even has a distaste for it, let alone that it really had *anything* to do with him quitting the reunion.

And that's okay, I'm not even saying everything Mike tells us about C50 is meant to be a justification for quitting the reunion. But it all seems to contribute towards a narrative of the things he didn't like about it.
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« Reply #206 on: September 16, 2016, 02:24:05 PM »

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Does autotune even work that way? I'm sure there are a bunch of different formats, outboard gear versus plug-ins used at the mixing board, etc. But wouldn't they most likely apply autotune back at the board versus actual devices attached to microphones?

Digital plug-ins.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. So are there ever actual devices hooked on stage onto the microphones? I figure it's all done from the board, which is why some artists probably don't even know they're being autotuned.
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« Reply #207 on: September 16, 2016, 02:31:49 PM »

I don't have any trouble with the idea that Melinda, perhaps at the behest of, say, Joe Thomas more than arriving at the idea herself, may have been fine if not supportive of autotune. The autotune thing seemed to reassert itself and rear its head in a more forceful fashion when Joe Thomas came on the scene. If she was pushing autotune, and I'm pretty 50/50 at best on Mike's credibility on stories, then that's lamentable and a legit gripe.

But Mike's later use of autotune kind of undercuts that he even has a distaste for it, let alone that it really had *anything* to do with him quitting the reunion.

And that's okay, I'm not even saying everything Mike tells us about C50 is meant to be a justification for quitting the reunion. But it all seems to contribute towards a narrative of the things he didn't like about it.

Well, the fact that Mike was apparently able to NOT use Autotune (either by switching a pedal off, or by telling a stage hand to get the mixing person to deactivate it) means that at least it was in his control to not use it, if he had such a problem with it allegedly being implemented by Melinda. I could totally understand him having a problem with it, if he were at all consistent about that topic  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #208 on: September 16, 2016, 02:37:52 PM »

I don't have any trouble with the idea that Melinda, perhaps at the behest of, say, Joe Thomas more than arriving at the idea herself, may have been fine if not supportive of autotune. The autotune thing seemed to reassert itself and rear its head in a more forceful fashion when Joe Thomas came on the scene. If she was pushing autotune, and I'm pretty 50/50 at best on Mike's credibility on stories, then that's lamentable and a legit gripe.

But Mike's later use of autotune kind of undercuts that he even has a distaste for it, let alone that it really had *anything* to do with him quitting the reunion.

And that's okay, I'm not even saying everything Mike tells us about C50 is meant to be a justification for quitting the reunion. But it all seems to contribute towards a narrative of the things he didn't like about it.


Well, the fact that Mike was apparently able to NOT use Autotune (either by switching a pedal off, or by telling a stage hand to get the mixing person to deactivate it) means that at least it was in his control to not use it, if he had such a problem with it being implemented by Melinda. I could totally understand having a problem with it, if he were at all consistent about that topic  Roll Eyes

"Consistent" would be the key word.   Wink
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« Reply #209 on: September 16, 2016, 02:43:56 PM »

I wonder if this is all news to Brian?

I know Brian's case is special but spouses and business don't mix well as a rule. (shelters under a rock! Grin)
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« Reply #210 on: September 16, 2016, 02:56:06 PM »

I wonder if this is all news to Brian?

I know Brian's case is special but spouses and business don't mix well as a rule. (shelters under a rock! Grin)

No attacks here so no worries, PF - at least from me. - just an alternative observation.

I'm thinking that after Brian's experiences with mixed results at best with various pro's in his past, and with his own family,  He found that a person who has been smart and consistently has had his back for over 20 years might be the preference - Melinda.  Might that person make mistakes?  Certainly.  So do the so-called "pro's."
As far as wives being involved - I think it's pretty clear that both Mike and Brian have their wives on their management teams in some capacity from the previous posts in this thread.  As far as Al, well, I feel certain MaryAnne has her say as a big defender of her husband. 

It's hard to find people who love and genuinely support you in that business.  I'm not surprised by this at all.  Yes, it's had it's problems.  So has dealing with the supposed pro's and highly complex band/family interaction.
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« Reply #211 on: September 16, 2016, 05:12:47 PM »

At the Hollywood Bowl reunion show in 2012, I remember how different Brian's voice sounded during Isn't It Time, it sounded prerecorded to me.  Maybe it was auto-tune.
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« Reply #212 on: September 16, 2016, 05:13:07 PM »

This kinda gives us some perspective on Melinda a bit. From now on, when I think of her saying "people look at me and don't realize what a tough women I am", I'll know she really means business.
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« Reply #213 on: September 16, 2016, 05:33:16 PM »

At the Hollywood Bowl reunion show in 2012, I remember how different Brian's voice sounded during Isn't It Time, it sounded prerecorded to me.  Maybe it was auto-tune.

Someone will correct me but didn't Scott say somewhere that Brian double tracked the intro only to that song? I think it was in answer to a critic in the media saying the whole group was lip-syncing the tour.
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« Reply #214 on: September 16, 2016, 05:42:25 PM »

This kinda gives us some perspective on Melinda a bit. From now on, when I think of her saying "people look at me and don't realize what a tough women I am", I'll know she really means business.

I have heard/read Brian, Bruce and Mike tossing the F bomb over the years and now Mrs W.

Not sure how I feel about it coming from Seniors. (OSD and Add Some being exceptions Wink )
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« Reply #215 on: September 16, 2016, 06:00:34 PM »

If I had not already made up my mind about not even looking at Mike's book, let alone buying it, I'd have made it up now. The guy still manages to surprise me, and not in a good way. I also wonder at most people's patience here. Mine is below zero, by now.
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« Reply #216 on: September 16, 2016, 06:01:51 PM »

Again, as is SO OFTEN the case, one person with a seriously flawed and ever-so obvious agenda participates in yet aother thread and upsets the discussion with dollops of on-line slight of hand...and in doing so slights most thinking participants with razzle-dazzle and enough bullshit to sink a great lakes freighter.  

Imagine what that will do to North America's largest source of fresh drinking water.  There's NO 'sand' involved whatsoever.

The book is the only source which matters or pertains to the discussion?  FDP...please purchase a kite and take it for a long series of flying lessons.  Spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting that craft instead.

The book is the only source worth considering?  The book became obsolete the moment it was signed off on and went to print.  The wheels of life kept turning and interviews happened subsequent to the completion of the novel.  It's the book which is as least as out of date as documented history...and your never ending attempts to sidetrack REAL.
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« Reply #217 on: September 16, 2016, 06:06:35 PM »

Well said!
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« Reply #218 on: September 16, 2016, 06:08:30 PM »

Could you MC Mike's show? Evil
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« Reply #219 on: September 16, 2016, 06:16:10 PM »

This thread is like Katrina Pearson stopped in for a chat. I'm still not clear what was said, exactly, in the book about the his partner, my partner, your partner. In any case, I don't think it's a negative illustration of Melinda Ledbetter W. And if the Smiley Smile recounting of the sound check from that show is accurate, Mike Love's recounting is inaccurate.
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« Reply #220 on: September 16, 2016, 06:19:11 PM »

Again, as is SO OFTEN the case, one person with a seriously flawed and ever-so obvious agenda participates in yet aother thread and upsets the discussion with dollops of on-line slight of hand...and in doing so slights most thinking participants with razzle-dazzle and enough bullshit to sink a great lakes freighter.  

Imagine what that will do to North America's largest source of fresh drinking water.  There's NO 'sand' involved whatsoever.

The book is the only source which matters or pertains to the discussion?  FDP...please purchase a kite and take it for a long series of flying lessons.  Spend an inordinate amount of time perfecting that craft instead.

The book is the only source worth considering?  The book became obsolete the moment it was signed off on and went to print.  The wheels of life kept turning and interviews happened subsequent to the completion of the novel.  It's the book which is as least as out of date as documented history...and your never ending attempts to sidetrack REAL.

What is hilarious is that when I brought up the SIP (Kokomo?) airplane story Van Dyke Parks told a New York Times reporter suddenly Van's credibility seems to come into question because of a twitter post pertaining to baseball 14 years later. So when can we use multiple sources filledeplage? Oh, only when its convenient for the guy you ruthlessly defend whenever he does something controversial (seems to be a daily occurrence).
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« Reply #221 on: September 16, 2016, 06:21:41 PM »

Mike Love's accounting is inaccurate.

Seems to be a trend amongst associates of Mike who talk sh*t about Melinda.
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« Reply #222 on: September 16, 2016, 06:26:55 PM »

Its a love thang. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #223 on: September 16, 2016, 06:29:20 PM »

Mike Love's accounting is inaccurate.

Seems to be a trend amongst associates of Mike who talk sh*t about Melinda.

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« Reply #224 on: September 16, 2016, 06:31:26 PM »

"see ya" filleplage. Wink
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