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« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 07:27:22 AM »

How deep was Capitol's role in making the cuts for the final tracklist? Hypothetically if Mike had managed to get half or more of his songs placed on the record, would Capitol have gone along with that? The involvement of Brian was key to this project (and C50 in general, all aspects), so what about any possible terms coming from Capitol that the album had to feature songs written by Brian?

Or what if Mike did bring songs to the table, and they were deemed not suitable for the album or, perhaps, not up to the standard Capitol was expecting...either from the reunited Beach Boys or the album itself? Consider how Mike has been talking down Brian and Joe's pitching "old" songs, in some ways, yet Capitol released them as the majority of songs on the 2012 album and then released Brian's NPP album three years later. Apart from TWGMTR's contribution, Mike hasn't had an original song released by Capitol since, what...Still Cruisin in 1989 or whatever it was? Capitol is still the band's "label", they release the music - maybe they had more of a say in how many Mike Love songs would go onto the BB's reunion album versus those written by and with Brian.

Lot of questions.
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« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 08:06:22 AM »

Let's all thank our collective lucky stars that myKe luHv's input was minimal especially in light of the bland quality of DOTO. It's difficult trying to imagine how the album would have been anywhere as successful as it was with his lackluster attempts at songwriting on his own. Brian's not writing with luHv is a gift to everyone involved, especially the fans. If myKe wants to record, let's see how it unfolds without Brian and under his own name.
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« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 09:00:12 AM »

How deep was Capitol's role in making the cuts for the final tracklist? Hypothetically if Mike had managed to get half or more of his songs placed on the record, would Capitol have gone along with that? The involvement of Brian was key to this project (and C50 in general, all aspects), so what about any possible terms coming from Capitol that the album had to feature songs written by Brian?

Or what if Mike did bring songs to the table, and they were deemed not suitable for the album or, perhaps, not up to the standard Capitol was expecting...either from the reunited Beach Boys or the album itself? Consider how Mike has been talking down Brian and Joe's pitching "old" songs, in some ways, yet Capitol released them as the majority of songs on the 2012 album and then released Brian's NPP album three years later. Apart from TWGMTR's contribution, Mike hasn't had an original song released by Capitol since, what...Still Cruisin in 1989 or whatever it was? Capitol is still the band's "label", they release the music - maybe they had more of a say in how many Mike Love songs would go onto the BB's reunion album versus those written by and with Brian.

Lot of questions.

I don't have it in front of me, but I THINK it was the Jason Fine RS article.  I think Bruce was quoted as saying (could have been one of the other guys) that they submitted a bunch of songs to Capitol and Capitol ultimately made the final choice of what the final track list was. I'll have to go back and read it.
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« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 09:02:28 AM »

There were a number of songs that were rejected including Al's Waves of Love and Bruce's redo of She Believes In Love Again.
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« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 09:27:44 AM »

Also worth noting is that someone (perhaps Bruce) posted online suggesting that Capitol Records was ultimately who selected the final tracklisting for the album. I don't know what was submitted versus what was actually put on the album.

But it's at least possible that they worked on more than one Mike song, and Capitol rejected others. The group (or at least Bruce and Foskett) apparently did recording on "She Believes in Love Again." Meanwhile, "Waves of Love" certainly wasn't even on the table for Capitol to reject, as apparently no actual recording took place.
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« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2016, 12:32:10 PM »

Let's all thank our collective lucky stars that myKe luHv's input was minimal especially in light of the bland quality of DOTO. It's difficult trying to imagine how the album would have been anywhere as successful as it was with his lackluster attempts at songwriting on his own. Brian's not writing with luHv is a gift to everyone involved, especially the fans. If myKe wants to record, let's see how it unfolds without Brian and under his own name.

Until you pointed it out, I didn't realize how DOTO may be one of the worst song title acronyms in the BB catalog.
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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2016, 04:39:57 PM »

Let's all thank our collective lucky stars that myKe luHv's input was minimal especially in light of the bland quality of DOTO. It's difficult trying to imagine how the album would have been anywhere as successful as it was with his lackluster attempts at songwriting on his own. Brian's not writing with luHv is a gift to everyone involved, especially the fans. If myKe wants to record, let's see how it unfolds without Brian and under his own name.

Until you pointed it out, I didn't realize how DOTO may be one of the worst song title acronyms in the BB catalog.

'Due to' the relatively short span where Mike's TRUE, REAL, ACTUAL contributions to the composing of the group's songs meant anything of VALUE whatsoever...DITTO would likely be a better fit.  Of course Brian wanted to MOVE ON...Grow.  Mature.  And, in doing so, accompany the BB's core audience along their various and sundry paths of life.  

And Legendary OLDE Surfer Dude...we've already seen [and heard] how the No Go Show Boat does without Brian on his previous 1/2 baked attempts at being 'all that'.

In  a word?  Pitifully.  

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« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2016, 04:47:03 PM »

Everyone, this is why I love this board so much.  I go to a book signing, resurrect a thread that hadn't been posted on for over 30  days, and look at the last 20 responses.  A lot of what I would say is damn good thoughtful analysis on the cluster C50 became.  IMO, a lot of what's been said and especially by HJ and GF, hits the nail on the head, from a pure speculation point of view.  Mike spoke of the endless meetings with Capitol while trying to hammer out the actual tour arrangements.  I think GF's last questions about the level of Capitol's involvement ties in hugely with HJ's reasoning/point of view where Mike felt stepped on in the process and stews over lost $$$'s. 

Okay now round two.  I forgot about this when I typed up my response back on 10/31.  Reference the branding license meeting at BRI back in 98-ish.  Mike said he abstained  and the vote was 2-1.  You all are better searching back threads than I am.  I believe I read a thread years ago where people were saying the vote was 3-1 and AGD came in and said don't believe everything you hear or read.....Anyone else recall that thread ?   
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« Reply #33 on: November 17, 2016, 01:07:17 PM »

I just noticed that in the Acknowledgements section of the book Stephen Love is not mentioned.   I wonder why?
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« Reply #34 on: November 17, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »

I just noticed that in the Acknowledgements section of the book Stephen Love is not mentioned.   I wonder why?

Last I knew they had been estranged for years
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« Reply #35 on: November 17, 2016, 01:44:59 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: November 17, 2016, 02:16:59 PM »

I just noticed that in the Acknowledgements section of the book Stephen Love is not mentioned.   I wonder why?

Last I knew they had been estranged for years

Maybe Rocky can shed some light on this.  Someone put out the Rocky Bat-Signal for a Rushton Review.
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2016, 02:50:35 PM »

After the book signing in Seattle, Mike said he was off to Portland to visit family.  Aren't both Maureen and Stan in the Portland area ?   No mention was made during the Q&A about Stephen.
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