Mike's Book Discussion Thread (and how it relates to the SS board)

[Cam Mott]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

[CenturyDeprived]

With regards to anyone who has read the book... does Mike express any regret for having done any hurtful (or in hindsight, regrettable) actions that he did to anyone, be it bandmates or others? (Not talking about wishing he'd done a business deal differently). For example, the Shawn section that I read on Amazon (just a brief snippet which they had available) was seemingly very matter of fact and devoid of emotion, without as much as any hint of stating that he wishes he'd done things differently.

Just curious if that's the general tone of the book.  Because my interest in the book in some ways hinges on it.

(Getting ready for people to say Mike  has nothing to say he's sorry about in a book, or that Brian won't say he's sorry about stuff Brian has done in Brian's own book, etc.... Please: in advance, this type of response can all just be set aside, as it distracts from my actual question).

[Jay]

If Mike wasn't interested in the money, why did he propose Brian give him $5M and they would call it even? Why didn't Mike just ask Brian to give him written credit for the songs(or a certain amount of songs they both agreed upon)?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

If Mike wasn't interested in the money, why did he propose Brian give him $5M and they would call it even? Why didn't Mike just ask Brian to give him written credit for the songs(or a certain amount of songs they both agreed upon)?

Exactly.

[HeyJude]

Going back to articles and other court documents, it appears the jury reached a verdict in that 1994 songwriting case, but then after the verdict but prior to the jury deciding damages, Brian and Mike reached a settlement as to the financial aspect of the case.

The bit we're able to read from Mike's book makes it sound like Mike agreed to a settlement  for $5 million even though he could have gotten much more.

However, some articles have indicated (and perhaps those articles are wrong) that the $5 million figure was calculated based on being half of the $10 million that Brian had received from his settlement against Irving Alamo Music.

Also, contemporary articles reporting on the jury verdict indicate Love was entitled to "30%" of the $10 million Brian had received from Irving Alamo.

So I'm not exactly sure Mike would have necessarily received much more than the $5 million he settled for had the jury been allowed to set those damages.

[Jay]

If Mike wasn't interested in the money, why did he propose Brian give him $5M and they would call it even? Why didn't Mike just ask Brian to give him written credit for the songs(or a certain amount of songs they both agreed upon)?

Exactly.

If he were a man, and a true gentleman, he would have said something like "look, we're family and this lawyer stuff is bullshit. Give me $1.00 and let's be done with it".

[Cam Mott]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Agreed, Jay. And actually, I understand the thing with the money...I'd react the same way  (that is a LOT of money) but it seems that has always taken precedence over everything else.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

[Cam Mott]

If Mike wasn't interested in the money, why did he propose Brian give him $5M and they would call it even? Why didn't Mike just ask Brian to give him written credit for the songs(or a certain amount of songs they both agreed upon)?

If I remember right this was after Mike was promised a settlement to help Brian win his case against Almo, which he never recieved, and after that offering to settle for $750,000, which was declined.

At least that's what I think I wrote for Mike's autobiography.  

[Cam Mott]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

[SMiLE Brian]

Huh???

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

If I remember right this was after Mike was promised a settlement to help Brian wins his case against Almo, which he never recieved, and after offering to settle for $750,000, which was declined.

I heard the latter, but not the former. What was the source?

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

[Cam Mott]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

I don't understand.  What does that have to do with getting co-credit for a combined thread?

[Cam Mott]

If I remember right this was after Mike was promised a settlement to help Brian wins his case against Almo, which he never recieved, and after offering to settle for $750,000, which was declined.

I heard the latter, but not the former. What was the source?

LA Times, as I remember.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-13/business/fi-8511_1_beach-boys-lead-singer

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

I don't understand.  What does that have to do with getting co-credit for a combined thread?

Who cares about getting credit for a thread?

[Cam Mott]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

I don't understand.  What does that have to do with getting co-credit for a combined thread?

Who cares about getting credit for a thread?

Not Craig I guess.

[Cam Mott]

I'm kind of curious how, as a result of Mike not signing the sale agreement, Mike's name could have been taken *off* of the songs he was already credited for. Presumably they were registered already through ASCAP or BMI or whatever, his name had already appeared on record labels, etc.

Is he implying he was told they would illegally take his name off the songs in retribution for souring the deal?

Seems like that would have been a potentially easy case to prove back then if they all of a sudden took his name off of EIGHTY songs *immediately* after he refused to sign a sale agreement.

I guess you'd have to ask those lawyers.

[Cam Mott]

Fans who post here, should not be put continuously on the defensive if they see all of the Beach Boys where ever they play. It is what has led many posters to leave this forum, which is pretty sad.  JMHO        

You're right, they shouldn't. But if a poster gets to see Mike n Bruce wherever they play because travel and concert ticket costs are being covered by someone involved in the group, then maybe it deserves to be brought up.

Seriously, I'm not the hugest Mike Love fan in the world, but if I were offered an opportunity to see their band quite a bit without having to spend hardly any money, I'd jump at that chance too. But I'd also admit it.

What business is it of any of us?

[SMiLE Brian]

Zzzzzzzzzz..... Nice try Cam with blocking the topic by being boring as hell.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

I don't understand.  What does that have to do with getting co-credit for a combined thread?

Who cares about getting credit for a thread?

Not Craig I guess.

Where are you pulling that out of?

Topic Summary
Posted on: Today at 03:38:02 PM New message Posted by: SMiLE Brian
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Zzzzzzzzzz..... Nice try Cam with blocking the topic by being boring as hell.

Yeah, it's not going to work

[Cam Mott]

Who knows, it might end up as content in Al or Bruce's autobiography.

[Rocky Raccoon]

Did this thread merge with another or something, or did I have a stroke?

Yes, I merged it after Marty requested I did.

Doesn't Craig want his credit in the "Started by" box?

What is that supposed to mean?!

He started one of the combined threads but he doesn't get credit for it.

He's not the only mod here. We both work together.

I don't understand.  What does that have to do with getting co-credit for a combined thread?

Who cares about getting credit for a thread?

Not Craig I guess.

Where are you pulling that out of?

Maybe Cam is afraid Craig will sue for unpaid thread starting royalties.