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« on: August 18, 2016, 06:17:15 PM »

From my understanding the 1983 "Brother Records" bootleg LP was the first SMiLE boot to make it to the public but unfortunately I have never heard it. 
I would like to hear what the material available at the time sounded like and what the bootleggers chose to put on the album.   
Is there anywhere it can be heard online or somewhere to find an MP3 of it??   
The earliest SMiLE boot I have heard is the Vigotone from the early nineties and I would like to check out the very first.   
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2016, 09:57:42 PM »

The line-up is there :
https://www.discogs.com/fr/Beach-Boys-Smile/release/2668141

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« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 08:27:23 PM »

It's quite awful, to be honest.

At least on my copy, the volume fluctuates from WAY too loud to almost inaudible; one song (labeled "Holidays") is a phony, a Miles Davis track intentionally miscredited as a Beach Boys outtake; "Smiley Smile" songs are used in place of "Smile" versions not circulating yet; and again, at least on mine, "Surf's Up" is distorted to the point of being painfully unlistenable.

I understand the historical value it had, but it's EASILY the *worst* Smile bootleg in existence.
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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2016, 03:23:08 PM »

It's quite awful, to be honest.

At least on my copy, the volume fluctuates from WAY too loud to almost inaudible; one song (labeled "Holidays") is a phony, a Miles Davis track intentionally miscredited as a Beach Boys outtake; "Smiley Smile" songs are used in place of "Smile" versions not circulating yet; and again, at least on mine, "Surf's Up" is distorted to the point of being painfully unlistenable.

I understand the historical value it had, but it's EASILY the *worst* Smile bootleg in existence.



From what I've heard, Bootleggers used "Here comes De Honey Man" as a form of copy protection.
So if anyone tried to bootleg their bootleg, they would know. They apologized for it on the second pressing of the bootleg.
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2016, 04:31:18 PM »

It's quite awful, to be honest.

At least on my copy, the volume fluctuates from WAY too loud to almost inaudible; one song (labeled "Holidays") is a phony, a Miles Davis track intentionally miscredited as a Beach Boys outtake; "Smiley Smile" songs are used in place of "Smile" versions not circulating yet; and again, at least on mine, "Surf's Up" is distorted to the point of being painfully unlistenable.

I understand the historical value it had, but it's EASILY the *worst* Smile bootleg in existence.

I am just curious to how it all sounded together Smiley    I guess for listening I should stick to Sea of Tunes and Vigotone.
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2016, 07:34:53 PM »

Guessing nobody knows for sure but how were these tracks leaked in 1983? Does anyone know how they got them?
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2016, 10:12:43 AM »

That would involve naming names .
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2016, 11:10:36 AM »

What must it have been like to have been one of the first fans to acquire these tracks, before the boot was even "released"? Sparking up a doobie and soaking into the SMiLE album (while almost nobody outside of the band had ever heard these tracks up until that point) must have been an unbelievable experience.
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2016, 11:49:13 AM »

Guessing nobody knows for sure but how were these tracks leaked in 1983? Does anyone know how they got them?

Sure we know.  The Byron Preiss book researchers were asked if they could get Brian a copy of This Could Be the Night by the Modern Folk Quartet (co-written and produced by Phil spector).  They did (it was on Phil Spector Rarities Vol 5, an album released in the UK) and they were asked by Diane if there was anything they wanted in return.  They asked for a Smile tape.  To their surprise, a tape arrived in the mail which has become known as the "Fire tape."

Do You Like Worms
Fire (no sound effects)
Fire (sound effects)
Can’t Wait Too Long (3 pieces)
Old Master Painter (instrumental)
Barnyard (actually “false Barnyard")

Supposedly Dennis assisted Diane in getting the tapes from the archive and copying them for the Preiss guys.
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2016, 12:03:17 PM »

Guessing nobody knows for sure but how were these tracks leaked in 1983? Does anyone know how they got them?

Sure we know.  The Byron Preiss book researchers were asked if they could get Brian a copy of This Could Be the Night by the Modern Folk Quartet (co-written and produced by Phil spector).  They did (it was on Phil Spector Rarities Vol 5, an album released in the UK) and they were asked by Diane if there was anything they wanted in return.  They asked for a Smile tape.  To their surprise, a tape arrived in the mail which has become known as the "Fire tape."

Do You Like Worms
Fire (no sound effects)
Fire (sound effects)
Can’t Wait Too Long (3 pieces)
Old Master Painter (instrumental)
Barnyard (actually “false Barnyard")

Supposedly Dennis assisted Diane in getting the tapes from the archive and copying them for the Preiss guys.


That is an incredible story. To think of Denny, at that late point, perhaps giving a listen to some old SMiLE tunes at such a low point in his life. Not to mention taking the time (along with Diane) to make it happen.
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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2016, 01:51:33 PM »

Guessing nobody knows for sure but how were these tracks leaked in 1983? Does anyone know how they got them?

Sure we know.  The Byron Preiss book researchers were asked if they could get Brian a copy of This Could Be the Night by the Modern Folk Quartet (co-written and produced by Phil spector).  They did (it was on Phil Spector Rarities Vol 5, an album released in the UK) and they were asked by Diane if there was anything they wanted in return.  They asked for a Smile tape.  To their surprise, a tape arrived in the mail which has become known as the "Fire tape."

Do You Like Worms
Fire (no sound effects)
Fire (sound effects)
Can’t Wait Too Long (3 pieces)
Old Master Painter (instrumental)
Barnyard (actually “false Barnyard")

Supposedly Dennis assisted Diane in getting the tapes from the archive and copying them for the Preiss guys.





What the hell even is "False Barnyard"?
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2016, 01:59:39 PM »

It's quite awful, to be honest.

At least on my copy, the volume fluctuates from WAY too loud to almost inaudible; one song (labeled "Holidays") is a phony, a Miles Davis track intentionally miscredited as a Beach Boys outtake; "Smiley Smile" songs are used in place of "Smile" versions not circulating yet; and again, at least on mine, "Surf's Up" is distorted to the point of being painfully unlistenable.

I understand the historical value it had, but it's EASILY the *worst* Smile bootleg in existence.



From what I've heard, Bootleggers used "Here comes De Honey Man" as a form of copy protection.
So if anyone tried to bootleg their bootleg, they would know. They apologized for it on the second pressing of the bootleg.

i think it may have been on the original tape given to whomever booted it as a form of 'watermarking', but I don't know for sure.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2016, 06:25:47 AM »

I heard a fan tape about a year before the 1st vinyl boot - those were interesting and exciting times.  I still have those original boots - the first and second edition - are they collectable?

At that point I had no hope that BDW would ever make any meaningful music again or that we would ever hear anything approaching a completed SMiLE.  In many ways it has worked out much better than I ever could have dreamed.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2016, 08:09:26 AM »

I can confirm that there was a cassette that was circulating in L.A. in about 1982 with Worms, Fire, Bicycle Rider etc... I had a copy and it was mind-blowing to hear this in the context of that time. My first impression was how dark and creepy it was, probably the murky sound quality added to that impression. To me hearing Mrs. O Leary's Cow confirmed that the Smile music was mad genius and barrier shattering for 66/67 and it really saddened me to know that it was still unreleased in '82 considering the perception of the Beach Boys as lightweight artists at that time.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2016, 10:59:23 AM »

<<Sure we know.  The Byron Preiss book researchers were asked if they could get Brian a copy of This Could Be the Night by the Modern Folk Quartet (co-written and produced by Phil spector).  They did (it was on Phil Spector Rarities Vol 5, an album released in the UK) and they were asked by Diane if there was anything they wanted in return.  They asked for a Smile tape.  To their surprise, a tape arrived in the mail which has become known as the "Fire tape."

Supposedly Dennis assisted Diane in getting the tapes from the archive and copying them for the Preiss guys.>>

Just a note of historical order... The Byron Preiss book was published in 1979.  The 1983 version was a reissue with additional material.  So this would mean Preiss had access to this material in 1978.  And given the fact that the Smile tracks were not the only unreleased material he described - I've always assumed that A.) this book was authorized, or semi-authorized, and he had full access to the vaults when writing it.
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« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 11:27:45 AM »

I can confirm that there was a cassette that was circulating in L.A. in about 1982 with Worms, Fire, Bicycle Rider etc... I had a copy and it was mind-blowing to hear this in the context of that time. My first impression was how dark and creepy it was, probably the murky sound quality added to that impression. To me hearing Mrs. O Leary's Cow confirmed that the Smile music was mad genius and barrier shattering for 66/67 and it really saddened me to know that it was still unreleased in '82 considering the perception of the Beach Boys as lightweight artists at that time.

This is a fascinating story to hear, Jon.

In the pre-internet era, do you recall how you personally went about obtaining this tape back then? I wonder how aware the band was in '82 that this material had leaked out to a handful of the bigger fans, and I wonder if Denny ever got asked about it (from fans who had actually heard the boot recordings) during his lifetime, and also what the timeframe was when Brian became aware that fans had heard this stuff.
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« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 11:38:09 AM »

When I first got ahold of the preiss book I figured that it had to be authorized because he had so many quotes from the guys in the band. But as time went by and I built up a large collection of bb articles from disc, nme, record mirror and elsewhere I realized that all the quotes come from old magazines and he doesn't actually seem to have had much interaction with the bbs or at least none of the quotes were directly given to him
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« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 12:50:56 PM »

Seriously what the hell is false barnyard?
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« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2016, 12:53:07 PM »

Seriously though what is false barnyard?
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« Reply #19 on: August 24, 2016, 03:24:48 PM »

Seriously though what is false barnyard?

I have the same questiion.   What IS "False Barnyard"Huh?
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« Reply #20 on: August 24, 2016, 05:00:29 PM »

Seriously though what is false barnyard?

I have the same questiion.   What IS "False Barnyard"Huh?

A barnyard that is not real.  Grin
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« Reply #21 on: August 24, 2016, 07:13:38 PM »

Seriously though what is false barnyard?

I have the same questiion.   What IS "False Barnyard"Huh?

A barnyard that is not real.  Grin

Actually, I think that would be "Fake Barnyard."
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« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2016, 07:51:31 PM »

I believe it's the harmonica-laden tag to the early 1967 H&V, also used as the tag to My Only Sunshine on The Smile Sessions, with the "haaa haaa hum dum be doo be do" vocals. It was thought by fans (and bootleggers) to be Barnyard at the time, until the actual Barnyard was found/booted.

That's just my understanding, corrections/clarifications welcome.
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« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2016, 02:22:32 AM »

CD 2, track 4 of The Smile Sessions 5 cd box is marked:
"Heroes and Villains: Barnyard (Master Take)"      (10/20/66)    1:12
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