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Question: Which album do you prefer?
Mr. Tambourine Man - 4 (20%)
Rubber Soul - 16 (80%)
Total Voters: 20

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« on: July 20, 2006, 05:09:33 PM »
I know the Byrds wanted to be the "American Beatles" and borrowed a lot of their sound from the Beatles. The Byrds are one of my top favorite bands. But I feel Rubber Soul is so Byrds influenced, with songs like "Nowhere Man", that's it really the Beatles trying to do a folk rock album and using the Byrds as their model. And I don't think its as good as Mr. Tambourine Man. I don't think the songs or the production are as strong. Even the Rubber Soul album cover is a rip off of the Mr. Tambourine Man album cover.

I'm sure everybody else will disagree.
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2006, 04:50:52 AM »
rubber soul.

as good as some of Mr Tambourine Man is, they were not quite there yet.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2006, 09:22:59 AM »
Quote from: Mickey Mouse on July 20, 2006, 05:09:33 PM
I know the Byrds wanted to be the "American Beatles" and borrowed a lot of their sound from the Beatles. The Byrds are one of my top favorite bands. But I feel Rubber Soul is so Byrds influenced, with songs like "Nowhere Man", that's it really the Beatles trying to do a folk rock album and using the Byrds as their model. And I don't think its as good as Mr. Tambourine Man. I don't think the songs or the production are as strong. Even the Rubber Soul album cover is a rip off of the Mr. Tambourine Man album cover.

I'm sure everybody else will disagree.

I don't necessarily disagree, though I like Rubber Soul a bit better. The Byrds definitely had a more direct connection to 'folk music' than did the Beatles, or a folk scene at any rate (arguably not, depending on what you think of skiffle.) The folk guys who influenced the Byrds were in turn also influenced by Buddy Holly (Fred Neil, Dylan) and Leadbelly (Bob Gibson), as were the Beatles. Just makes me think of what an interesting time it was for cross-pollination of musical genres.

Song for song I think Rubber Soul is a bit stronger, with more variety if that's your bag.

I wonder which group had access to more and better drugs at the time?
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2006, 06:42:38 PM »
Quote from: rb on July 21, 2006, 09:22:59 AM
I wonder which group had access to more and better drugs at the time?

You think drugs were an influence on those albums?
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2006, 10:03:08 AM »
I agree with all your comparisons.
i.e ripping off the cover a bit the folk influence. I think If I Needed Someone is the most notable Byrds rip off isn't it.
However I reckon RS is better. Especially The US version. The Uk is let down a bit  by "What goes on" IMO
The Beatles had all that experience under their belt by then.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2006, 12:04:55 PM »
Quote from: richardsnow on July 22, 2006, 10:03:08 AM
I think If I Needed Someone is the most notable Byrds rip off isn't it.


Yeah, that's probably the most 'Byrds-like' song on the album.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2006, 02:32:08 AM »
I heard that George sent Mcguinn an acetate of it before it was released telling him it was inspired by "Bells Of Rhymney"
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2006, 05:43:54 AM »
Quote from: Mickey Mouse on July 21, 2006, 06:42:38 PM
Quote from: rb on July 21, 2006, 09:22:59 AM
I wonder which group had access to more and better drugs at the time?

You think drugs were an influence on those albums?

Yeah, prolly... but for sure is the influence drugs had on my perception of those albums.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2006, 02:14:27 PM »
Rubber Soul all the way, the perfect pot album.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 03:19:21 AM »
Quote from: Mickey Mouse on July 20, 2006, 05:09:33 PM
I know the Byrds wanted to be the "American Beatles" and borrowed a lot of their sound from the Beatles. The Byrds are one of my top favorite bands. But I feel Rubber Soul is so Byrds influenced, with songs like "Nowhere Man", that's it really the Beatles trying to do a folk rock album and using the Byrds as their model. And I don't think its as good as Mr. Tambourine Man. I don't think the songs or the production are as strong. Even the Rubber Soul album cover is a rip off of the Mr. Tambourine Man album cover.

Which version are we talking about because the most folky version was the US version, which wasn't Beatles' invention. The UK version was just as soul influenced, hence the title I guess.

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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2006, 07:54:04 PM »
'Rubber Soul' seems stronger to me yet I can't enjoy it the same way as I can 'Mr. Tambourine Man'.
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« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2006, 11:04:49 AM »
I guess you are talking about the American version of Rubber Soul, when you refer to it as a folk rock album. The original British version was a more powerfull record.
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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2006, 02:28:15 PM »
I don't like the British Rubber Soul that much. Too mixed and jumbly. The American version flows better without the fast rock songs like Drive My Car. American Rubber Soul is partially what inspired Brian to create Pet Sounds; it's a whole album. Yesterday and Today was a good Capitol album, too.
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2006, 03:05:57 PM »
Rubber Soul. Especially the US version
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