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« on: June 06, 2016, 12:00:47 AM »

Does anyone know exactly what was said/happened between Bruce and Jack Reiley to cause Bruce to leave the band in the early 70's?
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2016, 01:13:26 AM »

I hate to give a boring answer, but I believe it's a simple as Brice gave a 3rd vote to the Mike/Al vote that was going on at the time and Jack thought of the band as the Brothers Wilson followed by Mike/Al. nothing gets done in Stale mates and who else could be given the boot?

It's pretty evident Bruce was one for very soft/smooth pop and it was believed the Boys should go a more rock style as Carl and Dennis took.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2016, 01:50:09 AM »

Short answer: just about everything.
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2016, 01:56:14 AM »

It's because Bruce believed his name was being stolen by the gay community as evidenced years later in this Simpsons clip - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSuNzCgWpL4
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« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2016, 02:33:00 AM »

Wasn't it more that he wanted to embark on a solo career?
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2016, 04:40:09 AM »

Wasn't it more that he wanted to embark on a solo career?

Is that true? He couldn't have a solo career and a BB's career?
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« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2016, 05:01:34 AM »

I'm not sure what went on between Jack and Bruce. But iirc there were also some tensions between Bruce and the Boys even before Jack came along. It's been a couple of years since I read about it but I think that already in '69 Billy Hinsche was asked if he wanted to replace Bruce.
And I also remember reading about loud arguments happening backstage at one show when Bruce wanted to play one of his songs solo.
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« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2016, 05:12:58 AM »

I'm not sure what went on between Jack and Bruce. But iirc there were also some tensions between Bruce and the Boys even before Jack came along. It's been a couple of years since I read about it but I think that already in '69 Billy Hinsche was asked if he wanted to replace Bruce.
And I also remember reading about loud arguments happening backstage at one show when Bruce wanted to play one of his songs solo.

I don't know why but that makes me feel sorry for Bruce (which rarely, if ever, happens.). When were the arguments? If it was later 70's surely that wouldn't hurt there set considering they'd hit the nostalgia circuit. Before then, did Bruce have solo stuff apart from Going Public, Bruce and Terry and his Surfing Down Under stuff?
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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2016, 05:33:24 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...
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« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2016, 05:41:52 AM »

I'm not sure what went on between Jack and Bruce. But iirc there were also some tensions between Bruce and the Boys even before Jack came along. It's been a couple of years since I read about it but I think that already in '69 Billy Hinsche was asked if he wanted to replace Bruce.
And I also remember reading about loud arguments happening backstage at one show when Bruce wanted to play one of his songs solo.

I don't know why but that makes me feel sorry for Bruce (which rarely, if ever, happens.). When were the arguments? If it was later 70's surely that wouldn't hurt there set considering they'd hit the nostalgia circuit.


No, it was in the late 60s/early 70s if I'm not mistaken. The song in question probably was something from a Beach Boys album.
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« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2016, 06:00:52 AM »

Is that true? He couldn't have a solo career and a BB's career?

Yes it is. Upon leaving the Beach Boys he wrote what was to become Barry Manilow's hit "I Write the Songs" while solo.  Bruce returned to the BB in '78 at Brian's request.
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« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2016, 07:00:25 AM »

Once of Bruce's claims was that Jack was making it look like Brian was more involved than he was
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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2016, 07:18:57 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

Where can Bruce be heard on the Holland album?
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2016, 07:21:03 AM »

Is that true? He couldn't have a solo career and a BB's career?

Yes it is. Upon leaving the Beach Boys he wrote what was to become Barry Manilow's hit "I Write the Songs" while solo.  Bruce returned to the BB in '78 at Brian's request.

I don't quite understand this response... I know Bruce HAD a solo career but was asking if he was told he couldn't be in the Beach Boys if he wanted to make solo music too.
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« Reply #14 on: June 06, 2016, 07:22:34 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

Strange for Carl of all people to be so petty
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« Reply #15 on: June 06, 2016, 07:44:07 AM »

Jack didn't want the sound to turn to "ten Years Of Harmony" Sound https://youtu.be/9qKEiQ5VLBk
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« Reply #16 on: June 06, 2016, 08:09:05 AM »


Where can Bruce be heard on the Holland album?
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He is singing on California Saga
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« Reply #17 on: June 06, 2016, 08:20:43 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

I was recently reading through the excellent Rusten/Stebbins “In Concert” book, and if I recall correctly, there are some contemporary quotes from the band around the time of Bruce’s departure, and they certainly don’t seem to be particularly sad about it as it’s happening. I don’t think the Rieley issue was the only issue at play.

I don’t disagree that the group and its members could be strange and dysfunctional, but I don’t think a personnel decision regarding whether they felt Bruce fit in at the time (or whether Bruce felt he fit in) would be a good example of that. That’s actually one of the more normal things that went on with the band at the time, in light of things going on with other bands. I’d also say that, whereas later personnel issues (and “licensing” the name to tour, etc.) in later decades were imbued with a lot of politics and dysfunctionality, back in 1972 with Bruce it seemed to actually be motivated more by normal personal/musical band “differences”, as opposed to trying to make political/business moves to edge people out, etc.

To be sure, there were *always* inner-group politics at play, going all the way back to 1961/62. But, while things like Al’s 1998 departure or the C50 breakdown was more ambiguous, Bruce’s 1972 departure seemed somewhat clear-cut at least in terms of both sides seeming to be okay with what went down. Bruce wasn’t saying he had been forced out, and wasn’t suing the band or trying to get back in. Meanwhile, the band didn’t seem to be all broken up about losing him.
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« Reply #18 on: June 06, 2016, 08:32:41 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

Strange for Carl of all people to be so petty

He may not have been being petty. Who knows what went on. Billy was his brother in law at them time too.Who knows? Maybe they just had a falling out that week.
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« Reply #19 on: June 06, 2016, 08:42:44 AM »

I read an interview in the British press with Mike Love and he was specifically asked about Bruce leaving - the impression Mike gave was that Bruce was not a team player, he was off doing stuff on his own, he wrote his stuff on his own - by implication I think Bruce didn't want to collaborate with Jack on songs, didn't like the musical/lyrical direction Jack was pushing them towards.  I can get some direct quotes later today.
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« Reply #20 on: June 06, 2016, 08:43:53 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

Strange for Carl of all people to be so petty

The story of how Carl decided on the "Ten Years..." artwork actually makes it sound like he put a lot of thought into it. It's worth remembering that in 1981, Bruce's position within the band probably wasn't crystal clear. He was "in" the band certainly, but I don't know if any of them knew or anticipated how long he'd be back in the band. At that point, the band had been going for 20 years and Bruce had been a member for about half that time.

It's also worth noting that that particular story may not be wholly accurate, or may lack some detail. Are there any first-hand reports or quotes, or is it just another one of those "rumored/alleged" stories?
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« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2016, 09:34:23 AM »

I think the fact that he sang on "I'll Bet He's Nice" and "End of the Show" and came to the "Love You" release party (and took photos smiling with the Wilson brothers) shows there was never truly bad blood in the separation.
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« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2016, 09:49:26 AM »

Nether Dennis nor Mike seemed keen to rush to his defence when he left, but the only studio album he isn't on after he joined is MIU; he's on all the Rieley albums but the live one, he's the only other BB credited on POB and he was back with the band in 79 and he's Mike's road buddy. You'll notice he doesn't feature in the groups photo on Ten Years of Harmony, allegedly at Carl's request because he hadn't been a member of the band for much of the decade, yet he's on three albums as a BB at the start of the decade and two at the end, as well as the others he appeared on. Seems a tad harsh, but now I think of it, I seem to remember Carl's name being attached to the attempt to replace him with Billy, but who knows. Strange, dysfunctional group of people...

Strange for Carl of all people to be so petty

The story of how Carl decided on the "Ten Years..." artwork actually makes it sound like he put a lot of thought into it. It's worth remembering that in 1981, Bruce's position within the band probably wasn't crystal clear. He was "in" the band certainly, but I don't know if any of them knew or anticipated how long he'd be back in the band. At that point, the band had been going for 20 years and Bruce had been a member for about half that time.

It's also worth noting that that particular story may not be wholly accurate, or may lack some detail. Are there any first-hand reports or quotes, or is it just another one of those "rumored/alleged" stories?

Well, I read it on here! Remember that the album only contained stuff from 1970 - 1980 (or the albums released in that period, because some of the songs were recorded earlier). I still think it's odd, but then they're an odd bunch.

I wonder about the politics, as far as Jack and Bruce are concerned. I can't imagine they saw eye to eye.

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« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2016, 11:39:05 AM »

didn't Reilley claim that Bruce disagreed with and talked sh*t about the Wilsons?

not surprising, since he continues doing it to this day.
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« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2016, 01:29:17 PM »

didn't Reilley claim that Bruce disagreed with and talked sh*t about the Wilsons?

not surprising, since he continues doing it to this day.
Where has he continued doing it to this day, he seems very complimentary of all three Wilson brothers in interviews and shows I've been to.
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