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« on: June 04, 2016, 09:07:20 AM »

How much is known about Mike's part in the creation of this tune? How much was written by the time he got involved ?
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« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2016, 09:21:56 AM »

This is the original John Phillips demo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAuqngA9CuM

Mike and Terry Melcher added the chorus, "Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you..." and changed "that's where we used to go" to "that's where we wanna go."
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2016, 09:30:08 AM »

While it doesn't have Carl singing, I prefer John's version to myKe luHv's cheese infested trip.  Cheesy
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2016, 09:57:21 AM »

This is the original John Phillips demo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAuqngA9CuM

Mike and Terry Melcher added the chorus, "Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you..." and changed "that's where we used to go" to "that's where we wanna go."

That's actually quite lovely.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2016, 10:03:34 AM »

I have to admit that I prefer the finished version as the JF rendition was incomplete... ... ...at least by comparison.  Carl saves the song from being the cheese platter you suggest it is OSD.  But w/o him it just doesn't work anywhere near as well.  Check out the live disc from the 50th anniversary tour.  Sorry.  THAT version is nowhere near as good.  [And that was with the surviving Beach Boys.]

It's why the Good Vibrations performance from last weekend was so shockingly good/different.  Jeff Foskett NEVER sounded THAT good...ever.  Not even once.

NOBODY can 'do' the  Carl 'sound'...not even Brian.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2016, 10:08:34 AM »

This is the original John Phillips demo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAuqngA9CuM

Mike and Terry Melcher added the chorus, "Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you..." and changed "that's where we used to go" to "that's where we wanna go."

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2016, 10:11:19 AM »

This is the original John Phillips demo.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NAuqngA9CuM

Mike and Terry Melcher added the chorus, "Aruba, Jamaica, ooh I want to take you..." and changed "that's where we used to go" to "that's where we wanna go."
Listen to Terry's 'LA to Mexico' and you'll hear some of what Terry brought to the party.
The Aruba, Jamaica stuff is classic Mike.
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 10:29:53 AM »

Yes, I think as a song writer Mike's geographical knowledge is unparalleled.
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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2016, 10:39:02 AM »

I like Kokomo, and I certainly respect and like Mike's contributions to it…  not to mention I think it's one of his best – sounding vocals.  But for all the reminding he continually does to tell the world of his contributions to the song, he should really be also reminding the world of Carl's contribution to that specific song.  Once again, it's an instance where both Wilson and Love contributions help make it a great song, but for many people including myself, the emotional hook of the song without a doubt is related to Carl's vocal contributions.

Mike has never seemed eager to talk about that aspect.  When I hear him ramble on about that song, it feels like it's just all about him, his own contributions to that song,  implying everyone that likes it must like it because of his own contributions…  and this gets mighty frustrating.  Has Mike ever spoken about the contributions of Terry/and or John either?
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2016, 10:45:59 AM »

The reason why it is thirteen pages is because Mike has proclaimed himself the savoir of the Beach Boys at the expense of the other members.



What interview or press release are you referring to where Mike "proclaimed himself the savior of the Beach Boys"?


"Proclamation" might be a poor word choice but we need go no further than "The Beach Boys: An American Family" or the quote from the Capital bio: "In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world."
Everyone knows that Endles Summer is a compilation of Brian Wilson tunes, with several lyricists.

Does it also bother you when it's said that Mike wrote the lyrics to teh Beach Boys' biggest single? People will still know that Brian wrote the tune.

Brian had exactly nothing to do with any aspect of "the Beach Boys biggest single"... and Mike wrote very little of the lyric.
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 11:06:18 AM »

The reason why it is thirteen pages is because Mike has proclaimed himself the savoir of the Beach Boys at the expense of the other members.



What interview or press release are you referring to where Mike "proclaimed himself the savior of the Beach Boys"?


"Proclamation" might be a poor word choice but we need go no further than "The Beach Boys: An American Family" or the quote from the Capital bio: "In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world."
Everyone knows that Endles Summer is a compilation of Brian Wilson tunes, with several lyricists.

Does it also bother you when it's said that Mike wrote the lyrics to teh Beach Boys' biggest single? People will still know that Brian wrote the tune.

Brian had exactly nothing to do with any aspect of "the Beach Boys biggest single"... and Mike wrote very little of the lyric.

And indeed, like me, Mike must have a very weathered World Atlas next to his desk.  I never thought of making $$$millions from it.  But I didn't have that cousin either.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2016, 11:10:20 AM »

The reason why it is thirteen pages is because Mike has proclaimed himself the savoir of the Beach Boys at the expense of the other members.



What interview or press release are you referring to where Mike "proclaimed himself the savior of the Beach Boys"?


"Proclamation" might be a poor word choice but we need go no further than "The Beach Boys: An American Family" or the quote from the Capital bio: "In 1974 Mike Love’s concept album Endless Summer ignited a second generation of Beach Boys fans and stirred a tempest that rocked the music world."
Everyone knows that Endles Summer is a compilation of Brian Wilson tunes, with several lyricists.

Does it also bother you when it's said that Mike wrote the lyrics to teh Beach Boys' biggest single? People will still know that Brian wrote the tune.

Brian had exactly nothing to do with any aspect of "the Beach Boys biggest single"... and Mike wrote very little of the lyric.

And indeed, like me, Mike must have a very weathered World Atlas next to his desk.  I never thought of making $$$millions from it.  But I didn't have that cousin either.

Silly me, I bought a rhyming dictionary instead of a globe!  Grin 
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2016, 11:52:39 AM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.
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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2016, 12:05:47 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.
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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2016, 12:52:10 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.

Which two was that?
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« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2016, 12:58:26 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.

Which two was that?

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« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2016, 12:59:26 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Thanks for making my point, again.  I didn't have that cousin.  Unless you think it was the Atlas.  In that case, shame on me.   Roll Eyes
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« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2016, 01:10:36 PM »

I have to admit that I prefer the finished version as the JF rendition was incomplete... ... ...at least by comparison.  Carl saves the song from being the cheese platter you suggest it is OSD.  But w/o him it just doesn't work anywhere near as well.  Check out the live disc from the 50th anniversary tour.  Sorry.  THAT version is nowhere near as good.  [And that was with the surviving Beach Boys.]

It's why the Good Vibrations performance from last weekend was so shockingly good/different.  Jeff Foskett NEVER sounded THAT good...ever.  Not even once.

NOBODY can 'do' the  Carl 'sound'...not even Brian.
That is true. Carl had a one-of-a-kind voice. In the later years, he really was the lead singer of the group. Look at the albums, even where he didn't write much - Holland, for example. His voice is all over those songs. Or the 1985 album.
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« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2016, 06:17:42 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.

You mean the allegations of an admitted perjurer?
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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2016, 06:22:48 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Thanks for making my point, again.  I didn't have that cousin.  Unless you think it was the Atlas.  In that case, shame on me.   Roll Eyes

Yes, they were a great team, one of the all time best, and lucky to have each other on three of those #1s.
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2016, 06:43:38 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Thanks for making my point, again.  I didn't have that cousin.  Unless you think it was the Atlas.  In that case, shame on me.   Roll Eyes

Yes, they were a great team, one of the all time best, and lucky to have each other on three of those #1s.

I will agree that at times they were lucky to have each other. Does not mean they are creative equals, or that Brian needed Mike in any way shape or form approximating as much as Mike needed Brian.

You can talk about chart success that Brian and Mike had together all you want, but the indisputable fact is that the list of songs that Brian wrote (without Mike) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, compared to the list of songs that Mike wrote (without Brian) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, is very, very, very lopsided favoring Brian.

Brian's music, even sans Mike's contributions, connects with listeners in a VERY special emotional way. Not all of it, there are some clunkers, but in a general sense this is true. The same, by and large, with some exceptions but not many, cannot be said for Mike's music without Brian. Not meant as an insult, it's just a fact that needs to be said if one is to look at the two guys' talents (which they both have in vastly unequal measure).
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« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2016, 06:54:19 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Thanks for making my point, again.  I didn't have that cousin.  Unless you think it was the Atlas.  In that case, shame on me.   Roll Eyes

Yes, they were a great team, one of the all time best, and lucky to have each other on three of those #1s.

I will agree that at times they were lucky to have each other. Does not mean they are creative equals, or that Brian needed Mike in any way shape or form approximating as much as Mike needed Brian.

You can talk about chart success that Brian and Mike had together all you want, but the indisputable fact is that the list of songs that Brian wrote (without Mike) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, compared to the list of songs that Mike wrote (without Brian) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, is very, very, very lopsided favoring Brian.

Brian's music, even sans Mike's contributions, connects with listeners in a VERY special emotional way. Not all of it, there are some clunkers, but in a general sense this is true. The same, by and large, with some exceptions but not many, cannot be said for Mike's music without Brian. Not meant as an insult, it's just a fact that needs to be said if one is to look at the two guys' talents (which they both have in vastly unequal measure).

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2016, 07:13:50 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Thanks for making my point, again.  I didn't have that cousin.  Unless you think it was the Atlas.  In that case, shame on me.   Roll Eyes

Yes, they were a great team, one of the all time best, and lucky to have each other on three of those #1s.

I will agree that at times they were lucky to have each other. Does not mean they are creative equals, or that Brian needed Mike in any way shape or form approximating as much as Mike needed Brian.

You can talk about chart success that Brian and Mike had together all you want, but the indisputable fact is that the list of songs that Brian wrote (without Mike) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, compared to the list of songs that Mike wrote (without Brian) that are emotionally impactful and moving to the listener, is very, very, very lopsided favoring Brian.

Brian's music, even sans Mike's contributions, connects with listeners in a VERY special emotional way. Not all of it, there are some clunkers, but in a general sense this is true. The same, by and large, with some exceptions but not many, cannot be said for Mike's music without Brian. Not meant as an insult, it's just a fact that needs to be said if one is to look at the two guys' talents (which they both have in vastly unequal measure).

Brian follows the Muse
Mike follows the Money
Great team. Brian brought Michael into some of the best, most creative music ever. Mike helped put some dollars in Brian's wallet, with accessible lyrics, good hooks and relentless touring.

I think that's a great way of putting it.  Like Mr. Desper said, anyone can write lyrics, but not everyone can write good lyrics.  More often than not Mike wrote some very good lyrics.
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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2016, 07:26:03 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.

You mean the allegations of an admitted perjurer?
Wait, go back - who is the admitted perjurer?
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2016, 07:35:23 PM »

I bet neither of you have 4 songs that went to #1 either.  Grin  I could be wrong.

Two of which were won in court. Under, now, questionable pretences.

You mean the allegations of an admitted perjurer?

I assume he means Rocky.
Wait, go back - who is the admitted perjurer?
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