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« Reply #175 on: June 02, 2016, 02:00:39 PM »

If fans stop attending Mike and Bruce shows because Mike supports Trump, that's on them.  

As a Republican, there's a lot of great shows I'd have never attended had I cared one bit about a person's chosen side of the political race, or their party affiliation.   Roger Waters and Paul McCartney come to mind among others.  

Whatever feelings fans have towards Mike Love (good, bad, indifferent) shouldn't be affected by who he endorses.  

To be fair, Mike's politics (and politics in general) have at times crossed over into impacting the band and/or its music. If nothing else, his apparent political leanings (and Bruce's for that matter) have been cited when expressing utter confusion (and accusations of hypocrisy) for their pro-environment songs and stance.

My thing isn't that people should not go to Mike's shows because of a picture or endorsement or his politics (and I don't think anybody does, so I don't even see it as an issue), but rather that I find it a bit absurd that anyone would be surprised that some people are repulsed by the recent Mike picture.

As with many things tied to a negative perception among some fans about Mike, like playing gigs with John Stamos, these things aren't the *cause* of anything some might find objectionable with Mike, they are all simply more symptoms of what some fight objectionable about him.
That is a serious stereotype alleging that Republicans don't care about clean air or clean water. Clean water and air is good for business.

It was on Obama's watch that the EPA had several toxic spills.  Where is the outcry?

Trump is a high level businessman and celebrity.  He holds no office (yet) and as such is still a private citizen, and an American who is free to associate with whomever he so chooses.  As is Mike.  




Feel free to take it to the sandbox if you want to talk about politics, keeping in mind I won't follow. I've tried to steer things to at least talk about politics as it pertains to actual members of the group.

I never used the word Republican in the post, and certainly never said or implied that all members of one party don't care about clean water, etc. So whatever you're reading into it, that's your predisposition coloring it.

Seems like you just want to write a politically-motivated missive. I have no interest in reading that.

All I was saying is that objectively, an environmentalist point of view would be at odds with some of the politicians and political points of view Mike has otherwise associated himself with. MANY have pointed this irony out in the past. It's not the first time a public figure's expressed beliefs have appeared on some level as inconsistent. Simply singing about gas-guzzling cars and being an environmentalist is a weird contradiction. Paul and Linda McCartney were staunchly against animal testing for drugs, yet Linda used drugs that had been tested on animals when she became ill. None of these things make anyone a bad person. It's just a contradiction that, in certain circumstances, might be worth pointing out and discussing.

I have no interest in reading political rants totally unrelated to the Beach Boys. No offense to anyone here, but this is not the place where I seek out information or discourse about politics. There is a limited amount of on-topic latitude, in my opinion (and nothing more), in discussing politics vis-à-vis members of the Beach Boys, and how those politics impact the band and its members and their image/perception, etc.
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« Reply #176 on: June 02, 2016, 02:04:29 PM »

Environmentalism is a big old-school Goldwater-type conservative thing. It was also more a Republican than Democrat thing. Post Reagan and dramatically increasingly, conservatism means pro-corporate and/or evangelical, but it didn't before. And ML ain't so young.

And I know you weren't addressing me, but I did move my purely political rants to the sandbox. I say the above as a point related to where ML might be coming from.
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« Reply #177 on: June 02, 2016, 02:05:09 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  
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« Reply #178 on: June 02, 2016, 02:07:05 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  
Mine?
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« Reply #179 on: June 02, 2016, 02:10:22 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  
Mine?

Not yours, Emily.  I was referring to the original post. 
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« Reply #180 on: June 02, 2016, 02:22:40 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  

The only things really relevant to discuss in this topic are how Mike's association with Trump affects people's perception of the band/brand (it does, there are numerous examples from strangers I have seen discussing it online - to what degree this adds fuel to the anti-Mike fire is anyone's guess, but nobody can say it has zero effect, otherwise Mike's mods wouldn't be deleting critical posts about it), and whatever striking contradictions there might be with Mike's probable viewpoints contradicting each other, etc. When people posting go SOLELY into the realm of talking about politics unrelated to Mike, only then is when it goes off-topic.
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« Reply #181 on: June 02, 2016, 02:25:03 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  

The only things really relevant to discuss in this topic are how Mike's association with Trump affects people's perception of the band/brand (it does, there are numerous examples from strangers I have seen discussing it online - to what degree this adds fuel to the anti-Mike fire is anyone's guess, but nobody can say it has zero effect, otherwise Mike's mods wouldn't be deleting critical posts about it), and whatever striking contradictions there might be with Mike's probable viewpoints contradicting each other, etc. When people posting go SOLELY into the realm of talking about politics unrelated to Mike, only then is when it goes off-topic.
Does anyone know if Mike Love's Facebook page tends to delete critical comments, or is this unusual?
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« Reply #182 on: June 02, 2016, 02:25:19 PM »

The Beach Boys have played at Trumps casino's ( Donald attended) and also his 50th birthday party at his Florida estate.  Past band members loved meeting him & Donald loves the music !

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« Reply #183 on: June 02, 2016, 02:37:16 PM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  

The only things really relevant to discuss in this topic are how Mike's association with Trump affects people's perception of the band/brand (it does, there are numerous examples from strangers I have seen discussing it online - to what degree this adds fuel to the anti-Mike fire is anyone's guess, but nobody can say it has zero effect, otherwise Mike's mods wouldn't be deleting critical posts about it), and whatever striking contradictions there might be with Mike's probable viewpoints contradicting each other, etc. When people posting go SOLELY into the realm of talking about politics unrelated to Mike, only then is when it goes off-topic.
Does anyone know if Mike Love's Facebook page tends to delete critical comments, or is this unusual?

I tend to think they would delete the harshest, most troll-like critical comments on the regular... but in this case, these were (admittedly unfavorable) comments from someone who I know is a longtime Mike supporter, and regular M&B attendee. It wasn't some internet troll trying to "bash".
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« Reply #184 on: June 02, 2016, 02:47:24 PM »

Environmentalism is a big old-school Goldwater-type conservative thing. It was also more a Republican than Democrat thing. Post Reagan and dramatically increasingly, conservatism means pro-corporate and/or evangelical, but it didn't before. And ML ain't so young.

I'm not up on these orgs but would the Surfrider Foundation, the Earth Summit/Earth Day, and the Love Foundation's environmental charities fit that older definition?
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« Reply #185 on: June 02, 2016, 03:07:34 PM »

Environmentalism is a big old-school Goldwater-type conservative thing. It was also more a Republican than Democrat thing. Post Reagan and dramatically increasingly, conservatism means pro-corporate and/or evangelical, but it didn't before. And ML ain't so young.

I'm not up on these orgs but would the Surfrider Foundation, the Earth Summit/Earth Day, and the Love Foundation's environmental charities fit that older definition?
I'm not really familiar with those orgs either, but a quick look at the sites says yes. Preservation of open, clean spaces and resources; reduced pollution; clean water... these values have been a conservative strain back to Teddy Roosevelt.
Traditional conservatives were also very socially tolerant; much more than the left back then. There's been a flip in a lot of ways. A guy Mike Love's age, if he would call himself "conservative" or if he is a Republican, shouldn't be judged by contemporary standards of those terms. The meanings have changed radically over the course of his life in most areas other than fiscal policy.
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« Reply #186 on: June 02, 2016, 03:09:59 PM »

I was hoping this thread would just go away and that this board would  not be infected by the trump virus but not so. When I hear someone make the moronic claim that Obama has been a disaster for this country I don't know whether to laugh or cry. You mean he's been a disaster because he's tried to give people healthcare or is it because he's ended two wars that we shouldn't have started in the first place. Or is it because he saved General Motors and prevented the economy from going over the cliff in 2008. Which disaster are you referring to? Oh yeah," make america great again", what does that even mean? Are you hoping to bring back slavery? Is that when America was great. Trump couldn't fix anything, he's not even a good business man. As someone said, he's like a loud, drunk bigot at a bar.
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« Reply #187 on: June 02, 2016, 03:18:12 PM »

I'm all "hear, hear!" on Gerry's comment. If anyone wants to discuss, I propose the Campaign 2016 thread in the sandbox.
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« Reply #188 on: June 02, 2016, 04:01:38 PM »

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/debt-under-obama-8000000000000

Crash coming soon !
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« Reply #189 on: June 02, 2016, 04:21:51 PM »

Environmentalism is a big old-school Goldwater-type conservative thing. It was also more a Republican than Democrat thing. Post Reagan and dramatically increasingly, conservatism means pro-corporate and/or evangelical, but it didn't before. And ML ain't so young.

I'm not up on these orgs but would the Surfrider Foundation, the Earth Summit/Earth Day, and the Love Foundation's environmental charities fit that older definition?
I'm not really familiar with those orgs either, but a quick look at the sites says yes. Preservation of open, clean spaces and resources; reduced pollution; clean water... these values have been a conservative strain back to Teddy Roosevelt.
Traditional conservatives were also very socially tolerant; much more than the left back then. There's been a flip in a lot of ways. A guy Mike Love's age, if he would call himself "conservative" or if he is a Republican, shouldn't be judged by contemporary standards of those terms. The meanings have changed radically over the course of his life in most areas other than fiscal policy.


So they would be something like today's left of center sort of like Eisenhower Republucans.
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« Reply #190 on: June 02, 2016, 04:24:09 PM »

This is ludicrous. Response in Campaign 2016 in sandbox.
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« Reply #191 on: June 02, 2016, 04:29:42 PM »

Environmentalism is a big old-school Goldwater-type conservative thing. It was also more a Republican than Democrat thing. Post Reagan and dramatically increasingly, conservatism means pro-corporate and/or evangelical, but it didn't before. And ML ain't so young.

I'm not up on these orgs but would the Surfrider Foundation, the Earth Summit/Earth Day, and the Love Foundation's environmental charities fit that older definition?
I'm not really familiar with those orgs either, but a quick look at the sites says yes. Preservation of open, clean spaces and resources; reduced pollution; clean water... these values have been a conservative strain back to Teddy Roosevelt.
Traditional conservatives were also very socially tolerant; much more than the left back then. There's been a flip in a lot of ways. A guy Mike Love's age, if he would call himself "conservative" or if he is a Republican, shouldn't be judged by contemporary standards of those terms. The meanings have changed radically over the course of his life in most areas other than fiscal policy.


So they would be something like today's left of center sort of like Eisenhower Republucans.
Yes, though I can't say for sure that's what Mike Love is, of course; there's not a lot to go on, but yes. I'd say that current moderate Democrats are very close to Eisenhower Republicans in a lot of ways.  I mean, some of the 'conditions on the ground' have changed, so you can't draw a complete parallel but that's the idea.
I think there are a lot of older Republicans who are kind of lost in the party now.
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« Reply #192 on: June 02, 2016, 05:18:05 PM »

Gotta hand it to Mike. He's often in the middle of these major trends like seeing him with Maharishi and The Beatles.
Now he's with Trump and a bunch of bikers at a POW rally. Pretty cool.

Gotta pass on him as VP though as we really do need to eff with formula in this case  LOL
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« Reply #193 on: June 02, 2016, 05:38:02 PM »

Gotta hand it to Mike. He's often in the middle of these major trends like seeing him with Maharishi and The Beatles.
Now he's with Trump and a bunch of bikers at a POW rally. Pretty cool.

Gotta pass on him as VP though as we really do need to eff with formula in this case  LOL

What would Mike do if Trump offered him the VP position?  I think he'd jump at the chance. I'm serious.
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« Reply #194 on: June 02, 2016, 08:59:02 PM »

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« Reply #195 on: June 02, 2016, 09:03:20 PM »

So how long before this gets moved to the sandbox?

Talking about how a member of the band might feel about a political figure, and how that could affect the band/brand/individual members (I've already seen some people say online that they may skip M&B shows due to being repulsed by Mike's Trump endorsement) is not off-topic. Some may think that's "silly", but it's far from irrelevant to the public perception of The Beach Boys.

This discussion has little do with Mike Love or the Beach Boys anymore.
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« Reply #196 on: June 03, 2016, 05:19:51 AM »

The Beach Boys have played at Trumps casino's ( Donald attended) and also his 50th birthday party at his Florida estate.  Past band members loved meeting him & Donald loves the music !

Filledeplage -  Your posts hit a Fenway home run with me !  The Truth !   Obama has been a disaster for America  & we don't need another 4 years with Crooked Hillary ! There is a revolution going on across the country and it's time we build the Wall. 
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Make America Great Again - Trump 2016

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« Reply #197 on: June 03, 2016, 05:23:21 AM »

I can't tell if this post was meant to be political or more Mike Love hate baiting.  

The only things really relevant to discuss in this topic are how Mike's association with Trump affects people's perception of the band/brand (it does, there are numerous examples from strangers I have seen discussing it online - to what degree this adds fuel to the anti-Mike fire is anyone's guess, but nobody can say it has zero effect, otherwise Mike's mods wouldn't be deleting critical posts about it), and whatever striking contradictions there might be with Mike's probable viewpoints contradicting each other, etc. When people posting go SOLELY into the realm of talking about politics unrelated to Mike, only then is when it goes off-topic.

To bring Mike back into the topic.  If anybody is going to chose to attend / not attend Mike and Bruce shows based on whether or not he endorses Trump, that's a real pity. 

I don't agree with Bruce Springsteen's politics at all, but I still listen to his music.  I definitely don't agree with about 95% of what Roger Waters says, but I've bought tickets to see him several times. 

Keep your artistic preferences in one place, and keep your political preferences in another. 

On a lighter note, I was very displeased when Styx played halftime of a Pittsburgh Steelers game, but I still rock out to Renegade.
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« Reply #198 on: June 03, 2016, 05:39:42 AM »

The Beach Boys have played at Trumps casino's ( Donald attended) and also his 50th birthday party at his Florida estate.  Past band members loved meeting him & Donald loves the music !

Filledeplage -  Your posts hit a Fenway home run with me !  The Truth !   Obama has been a disaster for America  & we don't need another 4 years with Crooked Hillary ! There is a revolution going on across the country and it's time we build the Wall.  
America First !
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Yes, and thank you surf patrol, for those kind words.  Watching a woman Trump supporter on video, get pelted with eggs by some anti-Trump protesters (well-organized and some paid) is sickening. And not fully covered by major media until they are embarrassed into it.  

Some would have us think that only one side has rights and is attempting to "chill free speech" rights of the other side. The right to protest or support a political candidate, even if unpopular with some, is in jeopardy.  They don't get what the Constitution is all about.    

There is certainly a revolution going on in this country.  And, Mike, on Fox and Friends, referred to the photo with Trump a "photo op." He did not call it an "endorsement."  An endorsement is "expressed" not "inferred" by association.  Wink
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« Reply #199 on: June 03, 2016, 06:08:47 AM »

It is amazing how many people lost it when they saw the picture of Mike and Donald Trump on facebook before even knowing the setting or the context of the picture.

 

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