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« Reply #75 on: May 22, 2016, 11:44:48 AM »

I don't doubt that there's a human contribution to climate change, but even scientific studies have suggested that a single volcano releases more sh*t into the atmosphere than all human emissions combined throughout history. And when governments want to censor or imprison people for daring to suggest that maybe the science isn't "settled" (science is NEVER "settled;" science is the collection of knowledge into testable explanations and predictions, not a final word) as so many liberal talking heads hallucinate on the topic of climate change, one is left wondering just how "settled" the science really is. People who go on about "settled" science have agendas; they also (willingly or inadvertently) put themselves into the same basket as the people who insisted the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth. The science was "settled" in those cases, too.

Yes, I just compared climate change acolytes to Catholic leaders. It is not an apples and oranges comparison, unless you think the climate change acolytes are somehow the kinder, gentler version of oppressors (kind of like how "democratic" socialism is somehow preferable to regular socialism).
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« Reply #76 on: May 22, 2016, 11:50:08 AM »

I don't doubt that there's a human contribution to climate change, but even scientific studies have suggested that a single volcano releases more sh*t into the atmosphere than all human emissions combined throughout history. And when governments want to censor or imprison people for daring to suggest that maybe the science isn't "settled" (science is NEVER "settled;" science is the collection of knowledge into testable explanations and predictions, not a final word) as so many liberal talking heads hallucinate on the topic of climate change, one is left wondering just how "settled" the science really is. People who go on about "settled" science have agendas; they also (willingly or inadvertently) put themselves into the same basket as the people who insisted the earth was the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth. The science was "settled" in those cases, too.

Yes, I just compared climate change acolytes to Catholic leaders. It is not an apples and oranges comparison, unless you think the climate change acolytes are somehow the kinder, gentler version of oppressors (kind of like how "democratic" socialism is somehow preferable to regular socialism).

I agree with much of that, actually. Science is never quite settled, because the entire process is always open to the next refutation or discovery. (That said, there are certainly things that we can feel pretty confident about.) There is something to be said for consensus of experts, though. I don't mean to say their words should be considered gospel, but they should be given appropriate weight, especially in areas in which we individually lack the expertise. One must decide whom to trust (and how deeply to trust them), giving appropriate consideration to their possible motivations as well as their actual scientific work. There are also of course the potential consequences of various positions, and one's action or inaction.
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« Reply #77 on: May 22, 2016, 11:54:06 AM »

I can certainly respect scientific consensus (or at least something in the neighborhood of such as all scientists will never agree). However, when refusal to "believe" the "settled" science can be seen as a criminal offense in the eyes of the government, that's something to be worried about. It leaves me (an eternal skeptic on just about everything, even conspiracy theories) with the impression that the euphemistic language given to the process known now as "anthropomorphic climate change" is not "science" but religion.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/03/10/us-attorney-general-we-may-prosecute-climate-change-deniers/
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« Reply #78 on: May 22, 2016, 12:16:51 PM »

While I struggle to read Breitbart because it raises my sodium levels to unhealthy levels*, I will say this: if the administration were to prosecute based on fraud, that's one thing; if it did so based on denying consensus, that's another. I know NY AG Schneiderman is investigating whether some fossil fuel companies (Exxon Mobil, I think) believed and acted one way in private while making public statements to the contrary, they should be charged for it. If some scientist took a contrary position to the consensus, that's quite another.


*i.e., it requires more than just a grain of salt. Ha! I'm funny! Right!? ... Anyone? Anyone?
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« Reply #79 on: May 22, 2016, 12:18:54 PM »

Oh and to bring it back to my family members' aversion to the idea, I want to be clear: nothing in their position is based on investigating the actual science. It's entirely based on what their religious leaders and those people's preferred politicians have said. For years, their main objection was that the Bible says that after the Flood, God said he wouldn't destroy the world again by flooding. And since scientists warning about climate change talk a lot about sea levels rising and causing widespread damage, well, that's just not acceptable. So it must be fake.
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« Reply #80 on: May 22, 2016, 12:23:03 PM »

Ha! Imagine being the one among my fellow pagans who openly has conservative political viewpoints. One of my former friends refused association with me when I openly criticized the "settled" science of climate change. Apparently, that's now classed alongside "hate speech."
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« Reply #81 on: May 22, 2016, 12:30:39 PM »

It's entirely based on what their religious leaders and those people's preferred politicians have said.

I love when politicians preface their views of climate change with "I'm not a scientist, but..."
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« Reply #82 on: May 22, 2016, 12:45:43 PM »

To show the other side of this, here are 10 conspiracy theories that turned out to be true.
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« Reply #83 on: May 22, 2016, 01:56:01 PM »

This is the quote Loretta Lynch was responding to:

"The similarities between the mischief of the tobacco industry pretending that the science of tobacco’s dangers was unsettled and the fossil fuel industry pretending that the science of carbon emissions’ dangers is unsettled has been remarked on widely, particularly by those who study the climate denial apparatus that the fossil fuel industry has erected.

Under President Clinton, the Department of Justice brought and won a civil RICO action against the tobacco industry for its fraud. Under President Obama, the Department of Justice has done nothing so far about the climate denial scheme."

The exchange was specifically in the context of energy companies intentionally spreading misinformation for their financial benefit.
Beware Breitbart. They have been shown repeatedly to intentionally manipulate their reporting with the intent of manipulating their readership. Unfortunately they've been extremely successful.
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« Reply #84 on: May 23, 2016, 05:17:16 AM »

but he also doesn't like bacon, so I'm not sure what's up with that guy.

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Well if he doesn't like bacon, I'd say his credibility is questionable at best. 

Must be one of them "reptilian" people! LOL
Did I miss sth.? Why such reaction to disliking bacon? If you like it, doesn't mean everybody else have to. I hate bacon, ice cream etc. So what? Tastes differ.

There has been a "cult" of bacon in recent years in the USA. It's added to things everywhere, people talk about how great it is, it's added to strange things (including ice cream, for example). But TRBB's joke is about the idiotic conspiracy theory mentioned earlier in this thread that some people think Jews are reptiles. No bacon. Jews. Make sense?

I've noticed that too.  Bacon has always been popular, but it seems like it's attained a brand new sense of popularity the last few years. 

They have bacon candles and bacon Pop Tarts now. 

They even have a bacon vodka, which is absolutely dreadful. 
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« Reply #85 on: May 23, 2016, 10:16:21 AM »

One thing that's frustrating is that in most of these govt/police/military conspiracies, there are a bunch of head scratching blunders by authorities that just add fuel to the fire, i.e.: OJ

Now one with a BB connection is Manson. Over the years, the more I read about this, the more I move away from the Prosecutor's explanation. Not that Manson wasn't involved, but the motives seem to point in different directions.
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