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« Reply #525 on: April 29, 2016, 01:45:50 PM »

Some of these bans are news to me.  Add 'em to Alan's signature list, or start your own I guess...  Me and john k were discussing what's what when someone just disappears around here in the oops thread.  So, getting some answers.  They ain't all just dying.

These cats may have been controversial, but they were also often very funny.

The Bag man could be funny in some BB threads. In the Sandbox, for religion and politics, he was pretty hateful. Jaw droppingly so at times!
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« Reply #526 on: April 29, 2016, 01:55:44 PM »

Wait a sec... Runnerz is banned? Sheesh. What is going on here?

That was last year, where ya been? The Mods don't make a ban into a public execution. Seems like that's what some want in this case.

I think Bean Bag is gone. Rocky seems to be missing (no surprise there).

Rocky probably split because his book thread was locked. He didn't get 3 strikes, so he wasn't banned. At least, I don't remember him even getting 1 strike.
Unless it wasn't even Rocky. I know that it was suspected that it was really him. Was it ever 100 percent proven?
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« Reply #527 on: April 29, 2016, 01:58:48 PM »

It was, and he had been suspended for 2 weeks, but never returned cause his thread was locked.
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« Reply #528 on: April 29, 2016, 05:07:34 PM »

My two cents for what it's worth.

The AGD thread is a good idea to keep discussion away from the main threads.

I received a PM from Andrew.  No gossip and no bullying.  We'll miss his input here but he's still on Beach Boys Britain if we need him!

GuitarFool getting upset at Alan Smith calling out Chuck - Chuck said he was against Mikey joining the board.  The impression I got was he was always against it.  The post Alan linked to suggested otherwise.  Hence the reason Alan posted it.

Moderators should not be confrontational but instead look to defuse situations.  Billy is good at this, others not so much.  The board has seriously gone downhill the last few years.  I will miss Lee Dempsey, but at least he said goodbye!  Hopefully others won't follow him out the door.

Too many people see agendas when there aren't any.  Most of us are here because we want to talk about the music.  We don't hate any of the Beach Boys.  Hate is such a strong emotion, especially when everyone has their faults.

Hopefully everything will get back on track, although we are a little depleted with the amount of knowledgeable posters who have been driven away.

As a wise and forgiving man once said, "Love and Mercy"!
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« Reply #529 on: April 29, 2016, 05:12:22 PM »

I told AGD his Bellagio site was still linked on the forum, he said something like "no one ever there ever uses it, they just go to last fm" so I guess he doesn't care that it's still linked here, even though he is banned from the forum. And no, he hasn't fed me any gossip about Melinda, and I haven't asked.
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« Reply #530 on: April 29, 2016, 05:41:47 PM »

So how many reporting members are known to have received this alleged potentially libelous second hand info directly from AGD and how many received/shared it 3rd, 4th hand?
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« Reply #531 on: April 29, 2016, 06:13:26 PM »

Chuck said he was against Mikey joining the board.  The impression I got was he was always against it.  The post Alan linked to suggested otherwise.  Hence the reason Alan posted it.

The board has seriously gone downhill the last few years.

Mikeddonn, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.  I've heard about this message board going "downhill" ever since it started.   Someday it will be true, but not yet, and not today.  And yes, in 2005, it appears I wasn't opposed to Mikie joining the board.  By 2010, when he joined after being banned elsewhere, I had decidedly changed my mind.
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« Reply #532 on: April 29, 2016, 11:03:25 PM »


... every word of every mod discussion is archived and available. ...


Glad to hear that the mod discussions of bans are archived and available, as I'm still quite confused about the specifics of what led to AGD's ban.

Where do I find the archived mod discussion info?

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« Reply #533 on: April 29, 2016, 11:55:58 PM »

My two cents for what it's worth.

The AGD thread is a good idea to keep discussion away from the main threads.

I received a PM from Andrew.  No gossip and no bullying.  We'll miss his input here but he's still on Beach Boys Britain if we need him!

GuitarFool getting upset at Alan Smith calling out Chuck - Chuck said he was against Mikey joining the board.  The impression I got was he was always against it.  The post Alan linked to suggested otherwise.  Hence the reason Alan posted it.

Moderators should not be confrontational but instead look to defuse situations.  Billy is good at this, others not so much.  The board has seriously gone downhill the last few years.  I will miss Lee Dempsey, but at least he said goodbye!  Hopefully others won't follow him out the door.

Too many people see agendas when there aren't any.  Most of us are here because we want to talk about the music.  We don't hate any of the Beach Boys.  Hate is such a strong emotion, especially when everyone has their faults.

Hopefully everything will get back on track, although we are a little depleted with the amount of knowledgeable posters who have been driven away.

As a wise and forgiving man once said, "Love and Mercy"!

This is all good stuff.

Mike's point about moderation is a good one. If a mod appears outwardly confrontational, or overly defensive, then my own reaction - rightly or wrongly - is to be suspicious; I suspect others have the same instinct.

That said I was never too proud about the way I joined in the piling-on on to Craig and sincerely apologise for that, if it's not too late. I lacked self control - and not for the first time - and though I don't think it was handled well on either side, I recognise that I didnt behave too well.

I'm very grateful for the fact that this thread has been reopened and that the topics being discussed herein therefore aren't infecting the rest of the board.

I'll reserve the right to miss Mikie, AGD, Runnerz and others. I enjoyed and valued their posts, each for different reasons, and I'll continue to enjoy conversing with some of them via other means. They're banned - they weren't executed after all! LOL - but I value their knowledge, friendship and humour (and am blissfully ignorant of why they were banned; they've never offended me).


... every word of every mod discussion is archived and available. ...


Glad to hear that the mod discussions of bans are archived and available, as I'm still quite confused about the specifics of what led to AGD's ban.

Where do I find the archived mod discussion info?

I'd normally question the wisdom of this archive having been made available but in the light of recent events am intrigued by its contents; it could lay a lot of ghosts (lowercase) to rest and further diffuse this unfortunate situation, a direction towards which this cathartic thread is, it seems to me, a good start along the road.

Love and Mercy indeed!
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« Reply #534 on: April 30, 2016, 02:48:42 AM »

Chuck said he was against Mikey joining the board.  The impression I got was he was always against it.  The post Alan linked to suggested otherwise.  Hence the reason Alan posted it.

The board has seriously gone downhill the last few years.

Mikeddonn, I respect your opinion but disagree with it.  I've heard about this message board going "downhill" ever since it started.   Someday it will be true, but not yet, and not today.  And yes, in 2005, it appears I wasn't opposed to Mikie joining the board.  By 2010, when he joined after being banned elsewhere, I had decidedly changed my mind.

Thank you for the reply Charles.

I guess I just feel after C50 there was a lot of fallout that has lingered for a while.  I still spend way too long on this board though!  And thanks for creating it!  Smiley
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« Reply #535 on: April 30, 2016, 06:03:14 AM »

I told AGD his Bellagio site was still linked on the forum, he said something like "no one ever there ever uses it, they just go to last fm" so I guess he doesn't care that it's still linked here, even though he is banned from the forum. And no, he hasn't fed me any gossip about Melinda, and I haven't asked.

That is ridiculous to think that people would go to last fm over Bellagio. 

Some of the last fm stuff has been continuously "appropriated" from BBB.  (Setlists) You cannot compare the sites or the level of scholarship.   
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« Reply #536 on: April 30, 2016, 06:21:46 AM »

I told AGD his Bellagio site was still linked on the forum, he said something like "no one ever there ever uses it, they just go to last fm" so I guess he doesn't care that it's still linked here, even though he is banned from the forum. And no, he hasn't fed me any gossip about Melinda, and I haven't asked.

That is ridiculous to think that people would go to last fm over Bellagio. 

A troubling remark, to be sure. I go to Bellagio almost every day. I wouldn't dream of using Last frickin' fm!

Malc's and Eric A's sites are my other two principal on-line sources for BB info. Long may all three continue!
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« Reply #537 on: April 30, 2016, 07:09:01 AM »

Another veiled insult from AGD about the fans here. This guy's ego cannot accept he is common fan like the rest of us.
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« Reply #538 on: April 30, 2016, 07:24:57 AM »

Another veiled insult from AGD about the fans here. This guy's ego cannot accept he is common fan like the rest of us.
Smile Brian - that is an utter falsehood.  The problem is that he is a published author on BB matters.  Are you?  (I don't know.)  Am I? (No.)

That is the difference. He has made research contributions. It is important to separate a personal dislike from a position where you might not choose a person for your friend but appreciate the research contribution that is pretty much universally recognized. 

Andrew is not a "common fan." He is a published researcher.   Wink
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« Reply #539 on: April 30, 2016, 07:30:26 AM »

Yeah one published book he co-wrote gives him the right to abuse the PM system here and call everybody "fuckwits,shitwheasels, and trolls".... Roll Eyes
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« Reply #540 on: April 30, 2016, 07:32:55 AM »

Yeah one published book he co-wrote gives him the right to abuse the PM system here and call everybody "fuckwits,shitwheasels, and trolls".... Roll Eyes

That is one more book than I published and (your book?)

No one (I) am not defending behavior, but scholarly work.  I can separate the two.   Wink   
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« Reply #541 on: April 30, 2016, 07:39:03 AM »

He ceased to be a scholar the moment he pulled the recent stunts that got him banned here. He can co-write a book with Brad Elliot....
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« Reply #542 on: April 30, 2016, 07:46:36 AM »

He ceased to be a scholar the moment he pulled the recent stunts that got him banned here. He can co-write a book with Brad Elliot....

We have no personal knowledge of what ever these "stunts" were, unless you are claiming to be privy to PM's on this forum.  That, I doubt. 

Whatever went on, did not impede his ability to do research, anymore than partying all weekend would prevent one from going to work on Monday and functioning in a job. 

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« Reply #543 on: April 30, 2016, 08:42:23 AM »

Yeah one published book he co-wrote gives him the right to abuse the PM system here and call everybody "fuckwits,shitwheasels, and trolls".... Roll Eyes

Yeah, book schmook. Doesn't give him certain "rights" to be a condescending, arrogant, bullying, rude, insidious, fact checker and self appointed policeman police of the board. Now, if an innocent error occurs, one does not have to dragged through the gates of hell and have their skin ripped to shreds for doing it. This is a great message board, not boot camp.
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« Reply #544 on: April 30, 2016, 09:05:16 AM »

He ceased to be a scholar the moment he pulled the recent stunts that got him banned here. He can co-write a book with Brad Elliot....

We have no personal knowledge of what ever these "stunts" were, unless you are claiming to be privy to PM's on this forum.  That, I doubt. 

Whatever went on, did not impede his ability to do research, anymore than partying all weekend would prevent one from going to work on Monday and functioning in a job. 



For me, however, it does impact his future credibility as a source of factual information, if he is willing to knowingly spread falsehoods, as alleged.
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« Reply #545 on: April 30, 2016, 09:40:21 AM »

He ceased to be a scholar the moment he pulled the recent stunts that got him banned here. He can co-write a book with Brad Elliot....

We have no personal knowledge of what ever these "stunts" were, unless you are claiming to be privy to PM's on this forum.  That, I doubt. 

Whatever went on, did not impede his ability to do research, anymore than partying all weekend would prevent one from going to work on Monday and functioning in a job. 



For me, however, it does impact his future credibility as a source of factual information, if he is willing to knowingly spread falsehoods, as alleged.
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« Reply #546 on: April 30, 2016, 11:02:46 AM »

He ceased to be a scholar the moment he pulled the recent stunts that got him banned here. He can co-write a book with Brad Elliot....

I believe there to be more chance of Andrew doing a book about Morrissey THAN THAT ever happening
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« Reply #547 on: April 30, 2016, 11:30:18 AM »

Fresh air and a day spent doing stuff with friends provided me with perspective: who gives a f*** about any of this

As if the very idea of a relatively successful Beach Boys forum wasn't enough of some sort of cosmic joke, all of its users seem like they'd rather talk about each other than The Beach Boys. Other than the ones who act like a band member stole their girlfriends in high school, of course. The politics and drama are absolutely out of control here, and I'm just over it. Clearly this board has issues, as this thread amply suggests through it's hormone-fueled pages, but I'm sliding up next to the Captain and saying this scale on which this matters is infinitesimal.

Let's pull our collective heads out of our collective asses, and let's get on with our day.
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« Reply #548 on: April 30, 2016, 05:11:36 PM »

Let me say this:  people don't get temporarily or permanently banned from this message board for nothing.  The reasons may not always be to everyone's liking or understanding, but a lot of investigation, discussion, and soul searching takes place before such actions. 

One example: Mikie.  I personally objected to him being on this board, as 1) he had been banned from Susan's board, and 2) he threatened me and my family.  But, I did not push the point, as I trust the moderators here, and they allowed him to be here.  Until, apparently, he did something, or enough of something, to get banned. 

Even the worst of troublemakers gets every chance to clean up their act.   When they don't, moderators moderate.

Are there 2 Mikies?
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No.  I don't know the exact state of our relationship in 2005, but we will presume from that link that it was okay.  In 2010, when I saw that he had registered here after being banned from the Shut Down board, I advised the moderators here I would abide by their decision to allow him here, but also advised them of the behavior and comments I had witnessed.  And, not incredibly at all, he eventually wore out his welcome on this message board.


Thanks for the clarifying the timeline, Charles - ’06 invitation post vs ’10 reservations. That aside, not sure why you would go with summarising the contents of the alledged stoush here.

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Craig, in my opinion your response is indicative of your tendency to get your Superman nickers in a twist everytime there is a slight (whether minor or major) against your construction of “the truth” and then pursuing it beyond the edge of conventional logic (some e.g.s are Tuna Fish thread, who leaked the death of Smile thread) or pursuing posters who've committed a truth crime until backed into a corner.  An overly visible style which ultimately draws fire and detraction. "Alan Smith et al...." What is that about?

As Mike Donn wisely said, Moderators should not be confrontational but instead look to defuse situations.

I haven’t seen anyone deny what Andrew did in the PMs - what has been bought into question a number of times - as per my earlier response to Billy, the main thing I would like to see here is some consistency in moderation and appropriate response.

Pretty much everyone here (which includes you) wants truth and fair play to guide the “discussion”, and if we can land on what that is, then we can move on (overtime).

As I shared with someone yesterday, I sometimes wish I had not come here, but remained in my BeachBoys Brisbane fan club & message board: number of members, 1, financial status, -$200 (owed to Rockaway Records).  They were happy times.

Looking forward to Stephen Desper's next study guide or post.

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« Reply #549 on: April 30, 2016, 05:41:50 PM »

I STILL don't know what happened with Brad Elliot. Is everyone that does research on the BB's alleged to be crooked?
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