Lifetime ban on AGD

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Reopening and moving to the Sandbox

[Charles LePage @ ComicList]

Reopening and moving to the Sandbox

Groovy!

[Bicyclerider]

I just learned about this and it's difficult to process - it just doesn't sound like something AGD would do, at least not if he was in his right mind.  I'm not doubting he did whatever he is being alleged to have done, and deserved banning, but something is just not right about the whole situation.  I noticed someone upstream mentioned they knew of at least one "insider" who was deliberately feeding AGD misinformation.  Could this have been a deliberate "set up" from those who wanted him ousted from the Brian circle?  I know a conspiracy theory is pretty far fetched, but the lack of logic in the whole situation (from AGD who was always so particular about logic and grammar and interpreting what exactly is meant by what someone says) is so bizarre and atypical of AGD, at least the AGD I knew and met and spent some brief time with.

On the other hand, I feel deprived that I never received any of these slanderous and scandalous PM's!

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I noticed someone upstream mentioned they knew of at least one "insider" who was deliberately feeding AGD misinformation.  Could this have been a deliberate "set up" from those who wanted him ousted from the Brian circle?

My understanding is one of the people who has been giving him info 'switched sides' himself, if you follow me.

[You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered]

Could this have been a deliberate "set up" from those who wanted him ousted from the Brian circle?

Given his personality and willingness to spread the info around, I'd say he probably managed to get kicked out of Brian's camp on his own.

[SMiLE Brian]

And his bunk "I know something you don't" act when he really didn't wore thin.

[Jay]

Ok, here's an idea, question. What if Andrew were to write out a "statement", or explanation for everything he's accused of? Would a mod be willing to post it, or let it be posted by another member?

[drbeachboy]

If this has been reopened then maybe AGD should be allowed to come in and defend himself. Amazing that as soon as a thread is closed at Hoffman this then reemerges.

[Charles LePage @ ComicList]

Ok, here's an idea, question. What if Andrew were to write out a "statement", or explanation for everything he's accused of? Would a mod be willing to post it, or let it be posted by another member?

I would love to read such a statement.

[SMiLE Brian]

I don't want AGD back in any form. How many chances does this guy get?

[You Kane, You Commanded, You Conquered]

I don't want AGD back in any form. How many chances does this guy get?

At least one more to explain himself.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

If this has been reopened then maybe AGD should be allowed to come in and defend himself. Amazing that as soon as a thread is closed at Hoffman this then reemerges.

I was asked to reopen it before Hoffman was closed...took me a bit because I didn't read my PMs until after the fact

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

How many chances does this guy get?

That's the thing...he was on #3, but really could've (and should've...) been more.  Something like that will not happen again, regardless of who it is.

[bgas]

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[drbeachboy]

If this has been reopened then maybe AGD should be allowed to come in and defend himself. Amazing that as soon as a thread is closed at Hoffman this then reemerges.

I was asked to reopen it before Hoffman was closed...took me a bit because I didn't read my PMs until after the fact

Come on Billy, that cannot be a coincidence. Also seeing Chuck there and maybe another mod just before the thread gets closed. Something smells rotten in Denmark.

[SMiLE Brian]

How many chances does this guy get?

That's the thing...he was on #3, but really could've (and should've...) been more.  Something like that will not happen again, regardless of who it is.

Just to make it fair, then, give SmileBrian and OSD lifetime bans also.
There'll be a few protests but really no loss to the board other than the lack of crap postings and backslapping for OSD posts

[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

I've felt the sting of AGD's ire, but I harbored no ill will. He was just too informative and entertaining to write off for his... "personality flaws." They bugged me, and I wished he would have toned it down, but he was as much a target on this forum as Mike Love is, and grew increasingly frustrated-- along with many of us-- over the C50 Wars. Yes, he became rude and dismissive, because he kept having to deal with a bunch of idiots spouting the exact same crap back and forth day after day after day. He was forced into a corner.

Now, my question is: where does scholarly research end and a man's opinion begin? Is it AGD's fault that we expected him to be a perfect, neutral arbiter of facts, and to avoid the sort of public gossiping and guessing games that many of us take part in?

How certain are we that this info he allegedly passed on was, in fact, false? How certain are we that AGD himself did not actually believe the purported information to be true, and was therefore knowingly misleading people, as alleged? If AGD was knowingly misleading people, why was he doing it?

I know at least one moderator has reported that he confirmed that at least one bit of information that AGD allegedly disseminated was a falsehood. However, I'm ignorant of the contents of these messages, so I don't know if the bit that was debunked was "Brian Wilson killed Zeppo Wilson and Melinda hid the body" or if it's "Brian is finally sick and tired of 'Be My Baby'." Was this alleged falsehood so twisted that AGD's reputation would never recover, or was it something far less damning but false nonetheless?

Are message boards democracies? Do the moderators or site owner owe us anything at all, other than promises to abide by the rules they made?

Either way, I think this situation was going to be ugly no matter what and it's been handled with a respectful degree of openness, while still abiding by board rules. My sincerest hope-- and Billy's post are reassuring on this point-- is that this action was taken because the situation was just so messed up, and there was no hope of salvaging AGD's place on this board. Unfortunately, the rancorous relationship between AGD and Guitarfool has made some posters choose sides, which is unfortunate, because it's bad enough to lose AGD without everyone digging in deeper in the foxholes of discord.

Ummm, anyone can feel free to PM me? Since that's what all the cool kids have been doing all along, apparently. I'm never the cool kid, not even on a Beach Boys message board...

[MarcellaHasDirtyFeet]

Also, I vote that the mods should delete all posts that don't contain actual words and ban anyone who posts more than three of said messages.

(Just in case message boards are really democracies)

[HeyJude]

I can confirm that the thread over on the Steve Hoffman board (which was actually a thread initially started about something unrelated to anything to do with this board) was still active at the time this thread was reopened. I saw this thread reopened on the main board page where it lists all of the most recent posts across all of the different forums, and then went to the Hoffman board where "that" thread was still up and active.

I can't speak to much of anything else, but if there is an accusation that this tread was reopened after the Hoffman thread was closed, that is verifiably incorrect.

[Bicyclerider]

Why would the Hoffman thread be closed?  Unless posters were repeating the slanderous accusations that AGD was apparently making.  Too bad because Bellagio could have responded to the situation in some way over there.

[drbeachboy]

I can confirm that the thread over on the Steve Hoffman board (which was actually a thread initially started about something unrelated to anything to do with this board) was still active at the time this thread was reopened. I saw this thread reopened on the main board page where it lists all of the most recent posts across all of the different forums, and then went to the Hoffman board where "that" thread was still up and active.

I can't speak to much of anything else, but if there is an accusation that this tread was reopened after the Hoffman thread was closed, that is verifiably incorrect.

I don't think timing has to perfect. Even within hours on the same day is not a coincidence. Chuck showing up in Hoffman out of the blue. He rarely comes here besides showing up in there. Just sayin'....

[Charles LePage @ ComicList]

Chuck showing up in Hoffman out of the blue. He rarely comes here besides showing up in there. Just sayin'....

Coincidence?  I think not.  Just saying.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

I can confirm that the thread over on the Steve Hoffman board (which was actually a thread initially started about something unrelated to anything to do with this board) was still active at the time this thread was reopened. I saw this thread reopened on the main board page where it lists all of the most recent posts across all of the different forums, and then went to the Hoffman board where "that" thread was still up and active.

I can't speak to much of anything else, but if there is an accusation that this tread was reopened after the Hoffman thread was closed, that is verifiably incorrect.

Thank you.

[Charles LePage @ ComicList]

Let me say this:  people don't get temporarily or permanently banned from this message board for nothing.  The reasons may not always be to everyone's liking or understanding, but a lot of investigation, discussion, and soul searching takes place before such actions.  

One example: Mikie.  I personally objected to him being on this board, as 1) he had been banned from Susan's board, and 2) he threatened me and my family.  But, I did not push the point, as I trust the moderators here, and they allowed him to be here.  Until, apparently, he did something, or enough of something, to get banned.  

Even the worst of troublemakers gets every chance to clean up their act.   When they don't, moderators moderate.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Well said.

 I feel bad now, though, because if I had known Mikie had threatened you and your family, I never would've let him on here.