Is Steve Love A Credible Source?

[Robbie Mac]

I think both Rocky and his haters are equally to blame for this tit for tat bullshit.

[rockrush3]

  Just a little RECAP... of the "HATE TIT for TAT"...  No one who reads Smile can DENY that I was not only attacked immediately... personally... and without provocation!                  On everything imaginable... including PERSONAL ATTACKS... not just my USE of Cap's or Quotes or Spelling... but of being Illiterate... and including being a FU*KING MORON etc... etc... the list goes on and on.  And... I REFRAINED FROM ENGAGING IN THE INSULTS!!!  I even posted a quote... from one of the members who pleaded with the posters... "TO GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE... LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY... BEFORE WE START INSULTING HIM!  I even quoted scripture..."Let he who has not sinned ... CAST THE FIRST STONE"...
I even posted a modified version of Dylan's "Blowin In The WIND... (from page 32 of Smiley Smile)  But the "INSULTS were HURLED at me by the THOUSANDS...
                                                                                        
                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man turn the other cheek
                                                                                           Before he stands up and speaks

                                                                                           How many criticisms
                                                                                           Must one man allow
                                                                                           Before he finally lashes out

                                                                                           How many INSULT'S
                                                                                           Must one man endure
                                                                                           Before he fights back for sure

                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man hold his tongue
                                                                                           And pretend that he just doesn't hear

                                                                                           To suffer the slings and arrows
                                                                                           Aimed to impugn my work
                                                                                           Daggers coming straight for my words

                                                                                           The answer my friend
                                                                                           Is blowin in the wind
                                                                                           The answer is blowin in the wind                                                                                                            
                                                                                                      

[James Hughes-Clarke]

Just a little RECAP... of the "HATE TIT for TAT"...  No one who reads Smile can DENY that I was not only attacked immediately... personally... and without provocation!                  On everything imaginable... including PERSONAL ATTACKS... not just my USE of Cap's or Quotes or Spelling... but of being Illiterate... a FU*KING MORON etc... etc... the list goes on and on.  And... I REFRAINED FROM ENGAGING IN THE INSULTS!!!  I even posted a quote... from one of the members who pleaded with the posters... "TO GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE... LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY... BEFORE WE START INSULTING HIM!  I even quoted scripture..."Let he who has not sinned ... CAST THE FIRST STONE"...
I even posted a modified version of Dylan's "Blowin In The WIND... (from page 32 of Smiley Smile)  But the "INSULTS were HURLED at me by the THOUSANDS...
                                                                                        
                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man turn the other cheek
                                                                                           Before he stands up and speaks

                                                                                           How many criticisms
                                                                                           Must one man allow
                                                                                           Before he finally lashes out

                                                                                           How many INSULT'S
                                                                                           Must one man endure
                                                                                           Before he fights back for sure

                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man hold his tongue
                                                                                           And pretend that he just doesn't hear

                                                                                           To suffer the slings and arrows
                                                                                           Aimed to impugn my work
                                                                                           Daggers coming straight for my words

                                                                                           The answer my friend
                                                                                           Is blowin in the wind
                                                                                           The answer is blowin in the wind                                                                                                            
                                                                                                      

Funny how the worst bullies often turn out to be the biggest whingers....

[Empire Of Love]

Trying to get this thread back on track...

What are we to make of the following:

1. Mike asks for a few song writing credits and 750k.  Brian's lawyers urge him not to settle and next thing you know Mike takes a defenseless Brian to the cleaners and comes away with far more credits than originally requested.  Something seems off about this from the get go.

2. Mike files the "Smile lawsuit" against Brian in 2005, makes a series of provably absurd false claims regarding Brian in the lawsuit.  The lawsuit lasts around five years and is filled with shenanigans including at least one false witness.

3. Steve Love acknowledges in a deposition that there were shenanigans at play in the song writing credit lawsuit.

4. Rocky seems to be saying there is a smoking gun tape that we expose perjury in the song writing credits case.  Whatever you think about him, he seems to be acknowledging he and at least one other (Steve, Stan, someone else) committed perjury.

I'm not sure what to make of all of this, but as the saying goes, where there is smoke there is fire.  Mike credibility is in question after the false claims and fabricated witness of the Smile lawsuit in 2005.  Now there appears to be testimony challenging the song writing credit claims.  One apparent witness is Steve Love, who even AGD acknowledges has a track record of being a credible source.  Where does this leave us in regards to the song writing credits?  There are a lot of unanswered questions, but the information above does not paint a pretty picture.

I hope the truth comes out, but suspect it never will.

EoL

[CenturyDeprived]

Trying to get this thread back on track...

What are we to make of the following:

1. Mike asks for a few song writing credits and 750k.  Brian's lawyers urge him not to settle and next thing you know Mike takes a defenseless Brian to the cleaners and comes away with far more credits than originally requested.  Something seems off about this from the get go.

2. Mike files the "Smile lawsuit" against Brian in 2005, makes a series of provably absurd false claims regarding Brian in the lawsuit.  The lawsuit lasts around five years and is filled with shenanigans including at least one false witness.

3. Steve Love acknowledges in a deposition that there were shenanigans at play in the song writing credit lawsuit.

4. Rocky seems to be saying there is a smoking gun tape that we expose perjury in the song writing credits case.  Whatever you think about him, he seems to be acknowledging he and at least one other (Steve, Stan, someone else) committed perjury.

I'm not sure what to make of all of this, but as the saying goes, where there is smoke there is fire.  Mike credibility is in question after the false claims and fabricated witness of the Smile lawsuit in 2005.  Now there appears to be testimony challenging the song writing credit claims.  One apparent witness is Steve Love, who even AGD acknowledges has a track record of being a credible source.  Where does this leave us in regards to the song writing credits?  There are a lot of unanswered questions, but the information above does not paint a pretty picture.

I hope the truth comes out, but suspect it never will.

EoL

The sad thing is, I think that whether the truth comes out or not is possibly going to depend on who outlives who in the story.  Just look at Scott Wilson's book. Lots of truly fascinating yet deeply disturbing relations in that book. It took guts for him to say what he said.  Not sure if all of those stories in the book would have come to light if Denny were still living.  I also think it takes guts for Steve to bring to light issues which I suspect he deeply believes are the truth. Whether the book is  grammatically flawless, or whether it contains grammatical errors is of little consequence, much like Scott's book.

The number of points you list above are quite fascinating to see as a list.   Figuring it all out remains a big mystery at this point, almost like a episode of Law and Order or Forensic Files.  I suspect that Rocky and Steve are going to have an impact on the story in some fashion from this point out, and I think that Mike's book will be impacted as well in some fashion, even if it's only a sentence or two to attempt to completely discredit his brother. Just my guess.

I wonder if anyone has ever called Steve, "The Lovester".

[rockrush3]

Just a little RECAP... of the "HATE TIT for TAT"...  No one who reads Smile can DENY that I was not only attacked immediately... and without provocation!   On everything imaginable... including PERSONAL ATTACKS... not just my USE of Cap's or Quotes or Spelling... but of little things like being... "Illiterate"... including being a FU*KING MORON etc... etc... the list goes on and on.  And... I REFRAINED FROM ENGAGING IN THE INSULTS!!!  I even posted a quote... from one of the members who pleaded with the posters... "TO GIVE THIS GUY A CHANCE... LET'S HEAR WHAT HE HAS TO SAY... BEFORE WE START INSULTING HIM!  I even quoted scripture..."Let he who has not sinned ... CAST THE FIRST STONE"...
I even posted a modified version of Dylan's "Blowin In The WIND... (from page 32 of Smiley Smile)  But the "INSULTS were HURLED at me by the THOUSANDS...
                                                                                        
                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man turn the other cheek
                                                                                           Before he stands up and speaks

                                                                                           How many criticisms
                                                                                           Must one man allow
                                                                                           Before he finally lashes out

                                                                                           How many INSULT'S
                                                                                           Must one man endure
                                                                                           Before he fights back for sure

                                                                                           How many times
                                                                                           Must a man hold his tongue
                                                                                           And pretend that he just doesn't hear

                                                                                           To suffer the slings and arrows
                                                                                           Aimed to impugn my work
                                                                                           Daggers coming straight for my words

                                                                                           The answer my friend
                                                                                           Is blowin in the wind
                                                                                           The answer is blowin in the wind                                                                                                            
                                                                                                      

You wonder if anyone ever called Steve the"Lovestar?"

What would you call the manager who made each of the, broke, Beach Boys Millions in Investments...touring, and in recording again as a result of Stephen's Brian's Back campaign... does that QUALIFY as Lovestar?  

[CenturyDeprived]

You wonder if anyone ever called Steve the"Lovestar?"

  How about the Manager who made each of the, broke, Beach Boys Millions in Investments... does that QUALIFY as Lovestar?

Rocky, there's another thread on this board where people are speculating about why Mike had to file for bankruptcy in the early 1980s, which was also around the time the band really dug deep into performing any controversial show for money (like playing South Africa in 1981 during the heart of Apartheid, and Mike speaking the infamous quote which I'm paraphrasing "the UN can screw themselves... it's [the gig is] good money")...

I think these events were not long after Steve was removed from his position in the band, and if Steve being present was good for the Boys financially, it seems to make sense that that Steve's removal coincided with the band members - especially Mike - being broke and really needing money.

[rockrush3]

  Stephen was empowered by virtue of being designated the sole General Partner, that is, the control person, and the individual Beach Boys were limited partners, which means they have no say in the management of the investments or the disposition of funds.  Of (1) Spaulding Ranch in Santa Barbara.  (2) Modal... the Motel 6 in Dallas Texas and  (3) A 30 acre parcel of raw land in South Kona on the Big Island.  When Mike turned on Stephen for sending him the telegram that read: Now is not the time to be stupid... You need to get back here and rehearse for the tour in two weeks.  Mike betrayed Stephen and sided with Dennis and Carl, Brian's drug provider and enabler, and voted with Dennis and Carl to have Stephen FIRED... while still owing him $550,000 dollars on his existing Management Contract.  Of which they paid him $150,000 and then STOPPED ALL FURTHER PAYMENTS! Still owing him $400,000 dollars.
     Therefore, Stephen, then LEGALLY sold the Spaulding Ranch Investment, that had No Water Easement, and LEGALLY "Re-invested" the Beach Boys $315,000 dollars and his $315,000 dollars ($630,000) in Beach Front Property in Hanalei Bay Kauaii... now worth $25 Million dollars!  Stephen's "brother" Mike had Stephen arrested  and charged with embezzlement!  The above Court Order completely Exonerates Stephen of any Illegal wrongdoing!  But because Stephen was not financially able to Counter Sue the Beach Boys for the remaining $400,000 dollars they still owed him on his previous Management Contract... the embezzlement stigma stuck to Stephen  Exactly what Mike wanted... "Brotherly Love"... or a common Mike Love POWER MOVE!  Sue the FU*K OUT OF EVERYBODY... and hope they don't have money to defend themselves!  But at least DESTROY their life!
     Even though the final analysis it came down to Superior Court Judge Nancy Brown: Mr. Love your plea of "No Contest" entered ten years ago, is set aside, a "NOT GUILTY" plea entered, the case is dismised, and your record expunged.  Do you understand all of that?  The defendant: Mr. Love, "Yes, and THANK YOU, Judge Brown. That is music to my ears!"  For Stephen, two of his favorite words are EXONERATION and Expungement!  Brotherly Love turns out to be just another Mike Love LIE... just ask Brian Wilson!    

[rab2591]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

[urbanite]

Why did he plead no contest to the criminal charge if he was innocent?

[rab2591]

I would like Rick and everyone else in the blogosphere to know that I was fully exonerated of the one count of grand larceny I pled no contest to (in order to avoid a circus of a trial) by Order of judge Nancy Brown of the Los Angeles Superior Court on FEB 22, 1996.

-Steve Love

https://manvsclown.wordpress.com/2006/07/21/why-i-hate-mike-love/#comment-6171

[rockrush3]

I would like Rick and everyone else in the blogosphere to know that I was fully exonerated of the one count of grand larceny I pled no contest to (in order to avoid a circus of a trial) by Order of judge Nancy Brown of the Los Angeles Superior Court on FEB 22, 1996.

-Steve Love

https://manvsclown.wordpress.com/2006/07/21/why-i-hate-mike-love/#comment-6171

THANK YOU!   You, my friend, have just answered the 64 thousand dollar question!  Is it really that difficult to GET!  But, you watch, there will still be people on this thread that will not GRASP your response! Because all they want is a CIRCUS LIFE here!   I can only IMAGINE what their PERSONAL LIVES ARE LIKE!

[rockrush3]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Brentwood Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them!  They, then, got me...    MY OWN ATTORNEY ... Charles English... who secured IMMUNITY for me!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...TO LEARN THE REST... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!   And Beach Boy fans will "BOO"... Mike off the stage!  And Brian and Stephen will both HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!!!

[rockrush3]

You wonder if anyone ever called Steve the"Lovestar?"

  How about the Manager who made each of the, broke, Beach Boys Millions in Investments... does that QUALIFY as Lovestar?

Rocky, there's another thread on this board where people are speculating about why Mike had to file for bankruptcy in the early 1980s, which was also around the time the band really dug deep into performing any controversial show for money (like playing South Africa in 1981 during the heart of Apartheid, and Mike speaking the infamous quote which I'm paraphrasing "the UN can screw themselves... it's [the gig is] good money")...

I think these events were not long after Steve was removed from his position in the band, and if Steve being present was good for the Boys financially, it seems to make sense that that Steve's removal coincided with the band members - especially Mike - being broke and really needing money.

The Beach Boys made the boneheaded blunder of a lifetime when they fired Stephen, for not sending me home for punching out Carl, at the beginning of 1978!  He had resurrected their floundering careers, in his nine year tenure, and as you just stated within a few years, AFTER FIRING STEPHEN, they were no longer financially solvent... ie; filing BANKRUPTCY!  A MULTI MILLIONAIRE BEACH BOY FILING BANKRUPTCY ... COME ON!  Even after Stephen had made them millions touring, investment wise, and a two million dollar advance from CBS records for his Brian's Back campaign!  These guys are their OWN WORST ENEMY!   Look what Mike did to Brian?

[Debbie KL]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them! They, then, got me MY OWN Lawyer... Charles English... who got ME IMMUNITY!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...to know the rest... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!

Rocky - help me out here...if Brian's attorneys have the tape, why didn't they act, since this is "to the tune of millions?"

[Empire Of Love]

Rocky, could we get a look at your avatar in full size, it appears to be a legal document of some sort?

Doe showed us his, maybe you could show us yours? 

EoL

[rockrush3]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them! They, then, got me MY OWN Lawyer... Charles English... who got ME IMMUNITY!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...to know the rest... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!

Rocky - help me out here...if Brian's attorneys have the tape, why didn't they act, since this is "to the tune of millions?"

THERE WAS PLENTY OF ACTION... JUST NOT MEDIA EXPOSED... UNTIL NOW!!!  I cannot tell any of you any more... you will have to read the book when it comes out!

[rockrush3]

Rocky, could we get a look at your avatar in full size, it appears to be a legal document of some sort?

Doe showed us his, maybe you could show us yours?  

EoL

I'm working on it... It is a copy of the Court Order!  Stephen's Exoneration and expungement!  Have the "Fact Checkers" get their magnifying glasses out! The same way they scrutinize EVERYTHING else! 

[SMiLE Brian]

Rocky wins the thread!

[Doo Dah]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them! They, then, got me MY OWN Lawyer... Charles English... who got ME IMMUNITY!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...to know the rest... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!

Rocky - help me out here...if Brian's attorneys have the tape, why didn't they act, since this is "to the tune of millions?"

THERE WAS PLENTY OF ACTION... JUST NOT MEDIA EXPOSED... UNTIL NOW!!!  I cannot tell any of you any more... you will have to read the book when it comes out!

Okay, the book, the book, I get it. But are you inferring that an out of court settlement took place? A Pauly Walnuts sit down? A Come To Jesus moment?

If so, it may account for Mike's current sour attitude. Interestin'.

[Juice Brohnston]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them! They, then, got me MY OWN Lawyer... Charles English... who got ME IMMUNITY!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...to know the rest... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!

Rocky - help me out here...if Brian's attorneys have the tape, why didn't they act, since this is "to the tune of millions?"

THERE WAS PLENTY OF ACTION... JUST NOT MEDIA EXPOSED... UNTIL NOW!!!  I cannot tell any of you any more... you will have to read the book when it comes out!

Okay, the book, the book, I get it. But are you inferring that an out of court settlement took place? A Pauly Walnuts sit down? A Come To Jesus moment?

If so, it may account for Mike's current sour attitude. Interestin'.

Given that the events Rocky is recounting took place at a restaurant that has been closed for 20 years, I can't see the connection to Mike's current media gripes.

[rab2591]

Rocky, if there were lies told during the trial, did they affect the way the songwriting credits were awarded?

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Rocky, if it your objective to make things right and bring justice to this matter, why don’t you give a copy of the tape to Brian Wilson?

Because I took it even one GIANT step further... and took a meeting with Brian's Lawyers at the Brentwood Mezzaluna restaurant... and PLAYED it for them!  They, then, got me...    MY OWN ATTORNEY ... Charles English... who secured IMMUNITY for me!  And then the SH*T really hit the fan for MIKE... (to the tune of millions)...TO LEARN THE REST... you'll just have to read the book when it comes out!  And it will COME OUT!   And Beach Boy fans will "BOO"... Mike off the stage!  And Brian and Stephen will both HAVE THE LAST LAUGH!!!

I have the worst memory for facts, but, didn't Brian fire those lawyers and take legal action against them?

What you refer to, Brian may well not be aware of. In any event, I doubt those attorneys represent Brian these days nor would I imagine does he have any record of the tape.

So excellent suggestion, get Brian a copy of the tape Rocky/Steve.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You're correct. After they lost him pretty much all his publishing settlement, Brian's people reportedly sued the lawyers.

[Andrew G. Doe]

You wonder if anyone ever called Steve the"Lovestar?"

  How about the Manager who made each of the, broke, Beach Boys Millions in Investments... does that QUALIFY as Lovestar?

Rocky, there's another thread on this board where people are speculating about why Mike had to file for bankruptcy in the early 1980s, which was also around the time the band really dug deep into performing any controversial show for money (like playing South Africa in 1981 during the heart of Apartheid, and Mike speaking the infamous quote which I'm paraphrasing "the UN can screw themselves... it's [the gig is] good money")...

I think these events were not long after Steve was removed from his position in the band, and if Steve being present was good for the Boys financially, it seems to make sense that that Steve's removal coincided with the band members - especially Mike - being broke and really needing money.

The Beach Boys made the boneheaded blunder of a lifetime when they fired Stephen, for not sending me home for punching out Carl, at the beginning of 1978!  He had resurrected their floundering careers, in his nine year tenure, and as you just stated within a few years they were no longer financially solvent... ie; filing BANKRUPTCY!  Even after Stephen had made them millions touring, investment wise, and a two million dollar advance from CBS records for his Brian's Back campaign!  These guys are their OWN WORST ENEMY!   Look what Mike did to Brian?

Um... the "Brian's Back" campaign was two years earlier, at Reprise. Nothing to do with CBS.

Oh, wait... that's "poetic licence" again, isn't it ?