Is Steve Love A Credible Source?

[rockrush3]

Thanks for saying what I've wanted to say to Pamplin in a far more temperate manner than I would have managed, William.
I would suspect Pamplin's book *will* come out, mind -- self-publishing is now easy for anyone, and as someone who has spent time around the self-publishing community (I've had books published through regular publishers and also self-published, so I'm not knocking it as a method to get work out) I would say Mr Pamplin is only slightly less literate, and only slightly more deluded, than the typical participant on the Kindle self-publishing message boards.
It's also likely that if he uses any kind of sense at all, he will have an "Amazon best-seller", and will come back to crow here about his great success -- just as someone recently managed to upload a photo of their foot to Amazon, get their mother and a friend to buy it, and have it go to number one for a couple of minutes in a tiny sub-sub-genre chart.
What he won't do, and I can say this as an absolute certainty, is make more than $100, total, from his "book"

Is that YOU in the middle of that picture... you look like 25 cents!

[Emily]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

[The_Holy_Bee]

Smiley Smiley YOU"RE A "CLOWN"... YOU JUST JOINED emily... LOL LOL

You know, Rushton, as I was expecting a point-by-point refutation of my substantive arguments, your above riposte does come as something of a disappointment. At least I thought my post was worthy of more than just four emoticons and a mere three incorrectly used quote marks. (CAPS ratio is pretty good though, so I guess I'll take it.)

In any case, I find it very hard to read "you just joined Emily" as anything but a glowing endorsement of my position on this topic, as well as my worth as a human being.

I would suspect Pamplin's book *will* come out, mind -- self-publishing is now easy for anyone, and as someone who has spent time around the self-publishing community (I've had books published through regular publishers and also self-published, so I'm not knocking it as a method to get work out) I would say Mr Pamplin is only slightly less literate, and only slightly more deluded, than the typical participant on the Kindle self-publishing message boards.

Thanks, Andrew - and you're quite right on the above, of course.

[AndrewHickey]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

[Debbie KL]

Okay, help me out here.  I've been tied up with some pretty serious business with a client - many hours of work - and I just returned to SS for more than the 5 seconds I devoted to Belgium (posting in an inappropriate section, sorry).  This is a thread about Steve Love's credibility, and it's gotten really nasty, focusing on Rocky.  On the other hand, Rocky's thread has gotten really civilized.  What does this have to do with Stephen?

Oops, just checked again on the other thread.  I guess civilized simply won't be happening here.  I guess it's "sport" of some form?

[CenturyDeprived]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Interesting - two consecutive posts from The Rockster that might have been written by two different people...  

BTW, to answer the question originally posed: as regards all the stuff that's independently checkable, I'd have to say yes.

"doe doe"... Stephen wouldn't POST on this thread for anything in the world... I told him about this thread... and he said... "After the way they have VICIOUSLY and BRUTALLY  ATTACKED YOU... Ha... NOT IN A MILLION YEARS!!!  And as for emily... DON'T MAKE ME LAUGH!

A vicious and brutal attack was what you and Stan did to Dennis (I'll add cowardly, just for good measure, because it was, and you are): what you've experienced here is the mildest of amused intolerance. Mind, if you keep quoting your own posts ad nauseum, that might change.

BTW, and I must be loosing my keen researchers edge, it's just dawned on me: there's a site where Steve posts about Mike called "Man vs Clown"... and you claim Brian attacked a clown he though was Mike.

Hmmmm... anyone else thinking what I am ? 

[Doo Dah]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

Ditto. Let's focus on the topic at hand. If Rushton wants to jump in, so be it. He has the right, as do the in-crowd / morally sanctimonious.

If anyone knows where the skeletons are buried, it's Stephen. Hence his separation from brother Mike. Which is stupid, basically...blood should be thicker than water. No exceptions.

[SMiLE Brian]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

And Mike Love is the 100% undusputed truth by a certain group of posters.

[Debbie KL]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

I apologize for never keeping a journal or keeping track of these folks.  I still don't know how many wives Mike had - not that it matters - but some people here seem to focus on every date and detail.  I'm not one of them.  Maybe Rocky can share more about him, since they're friends?

[rockrush3]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

Ditto. Let's focus on the topic at hand. If Rushton wants to jump in, so be it. He has the right, as do the in-crowd / morally sanctimonious.

If anyone knows where the skeletons are buried, it's Stephen. Hence his separation from brother Mike. Which is stupid, basically...blood should be thicker than water. No exceptions.

Here... Here... Doo Dah!  You astound me!   But you have to REALIZE... blood being thicker than water means nothing to mike-y!  It TRULY doesn't... "MONEY" is mike ONLY GOD!      He only comes out of his "SCHEMATATION" to SUE Brian for MONEY for SONGS that HE DID NOT WRITE!!!

[rockrush3]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

I apologize for never keeping a journal or keeping track of these folks.  I still don't know how many wives Mike had - not that it matters - but some people here seem to focus on every date and detail.  I'm not one of them.  Maybe Rocky can share more about him, since they're friends?

Debbie you are so smart... I can't begin to tell you how accurate you are in your quick assessment of these people!  The trivial meaningless drivel that they wallow in... instead of things of actual importance!  You are a GOD SEND!!!   Bless YOU...

[rockrush3]

Back to the Steve Love topic... what do we know about Steve? Married, kids, things he's done in life broken down by year... does someone have any sort of timeline of his life? I'm still not clear why he is to be doubted.

And Mike Love is the 100% undusputed truth by a certain group of posters.

Not bad...

[rockrush3]

Okay, help me out here.  I've been tied up with some pretty serious business with a client - many hours of work - and I just returned to SS for more than the 5 seconds I devoted to Belgium (posting in an inappropriate section, sorry).  This is a thread about Steve Love's credibility, and it's gotten really nasty, focusing on Rocky.  On the other hand, Rocky's thread has gotten really civilized.  What does this have to do with Stephen?

Oops, just checked again on the other thread.  I guess civilized simply won't be happening here.  I guess it's "sport" of some form?

Thanks again... you are truly the smartest person on this thread... it only took you a matter of day's to be shocked at the POISON that PERMEATES this thread!  Dig this... they hate me for beating up Dennis for giving Brian Heroin and Cocaine when he had a seizure and his live in nurse had to stick a rolled up wash cloth in his mouth to prevent him from swallowing his tongue... and SUFFOCATING to DEATH!  She called Stan and begged him to do something about Dennis inadvertently trying to KILL Brian!  So Stan came and got me at a party and pleaded with me to convince Dennis to do what she couldn't do... and this is after she replaced Stan and I at the JOB OF KEEPING DRUGS OUT OF Brian's LIFE!  The only CONVINCING Dennis has ever understood in his life... is the kind that you NEVER FORGET... a good ass whooping! OH... MY GOD... SHOCK and HORROR.. (We don't condone violence of any kind) If Brian DIES?... it's a tragedy... but violence?..."NEVER!"  You do the math... By the way... Dennis never bothered Brian again... for the next four years... and then he drowned in 15 ft of water at "5:30 pm" in the Marina... DRUNK (.26 blood alcohol level)

[SurferDownUnder]

Has Stephen ever actually spoken about his time with the Boys? I thought I remembered reading on that "Mike Love is a Clown" page that Ambha Love claimed he had run off to Hawaii with the purported embezzled money?  

[rockrush3]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

What are you talking about... "doe doe" defend me?  He can't even spell the word!  And you... you look up the word "OPINIONATED" in the dictionary... and they have your picture nest to it!  Even Debbie KL... the girl Brian liked...has already seen through the "angry 13" and is REPULSED!  

[rockrush3]

Smiley Smiley YOU"RE A "CLOWN"... YOU JUST JOINED emily... LOL LOL

You know, Rushton, as I was expecting a point-by-point refutation of my substantive arguments, your above riposte does come as something of a disappointment. At least I thought my post was worthy of more than just four emoticons and a mere three incorrectly used quote marks. (CAPS ratio is pretty good though, so I guess I'll take it.)

In any case, I find it very hard to read "you just joined Emily" as anything but a glowing endorsement of my position on this topic, as well as my worth as a human being.

I would suspect Pamplin's book *will* come out, mind -- self-publishing is now easy for anyone, and as someone who has spent time around the self-publishing community (I've had books published through regular publishers and also self-published, so I'm not knocking it as a method to get work out) I would say Mr Pamplin is only slightly less literate, and only slightly more deluded, than the typical participant on the Kindle self-publishing message boards.

Thanks, Andrew - and you're quite right on the above, of course.

[/quote GLOW ON Goof Ball... you and emily... what a NIGHTMARE!

[Emily]

I was referring to your comment about Andrew Hickey. I do have opinions and one is that there's a big difference between criticizing peoples' actions and words and criticizing peoples' appearance.
And, yes, I also have opinions on whether it's appropriate to batter people who have not physically attacked you and who are impaired. And about whether forcibly controlling other people is acceptable. So, yes, we're in an area in which I have very strong opinions.
Cheese or pepperoni? Meh, I could go either way.

[rockrush3]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

How could you be bothered... you don't even have a brain... Oh that's right... you're the LITERACY POLICE EXPERT... emily is still single... lonely... and desperate!  You don't have OPINIONS emily... YOU ARE AN OPINION!  The EXCESSIVE POSTING OPINION... "excessemily"

[SurferDownUnder]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

How could you be bothered... you don't even have a brain... Oh that's right... you're the LITERACY POLICE EXPERT... emily is still single... lonely... and desperate!  You don't have OPINIONS emily... YOU ARE AN OPINION!  The EXCESSIVE POSTING OPINION... "excessemily"

Wow. This is pretty rough talk Rocky, easily said behind a computer screen....I'm not one to be easily offended but this kind of stuff is pretty unnecessary....   

[rockrush3]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

How could you be bothered... you don't even have a brain... Oh that's right... you're the LITERACY POLICE EXPERT... emily is still single... lonely... and desperate!  You don't have OPINIONS emily... YOU ARE AN OPINION!  The EXCESSIVE POSTING OPINION... "excessemily"

Wow. This is pretty rough talk Rocky, easily said behind a computer screen....I'm not one to be easily offended but this kind of stuff is pretty unnecessary....   

Where have you been for the last 3 months... these people have thrown a million stones at me... while you were down under!

[SurferDownUnder]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

How could you be bothered... you don't even have a brain... Oh that's right... you're the LITERACY POLICE EXPERT... emily is still single... lonely... and desperate!  You don't have OPINIONS emily... YOU ARE AN OPINION!  The EXCESSIVE POSTING OPINION... "excessemily"

Wow. This is pretty rough talk Rocky, easily said behind a computer screen....I'm not one to be easily offended but this kind of stuff is pretty unnecessary....   

Where have you been for the last 3 months... these people have thrown a million stones at me... while you were down under!

I've been here observing the whole time but surely tit for tat isn't solving anything here? Seems all statements from both sides have been going in circles for some time now don't ya think??

[Debbie KL]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

Thanks, but don't worry about it. I insulted his literacy and understanding of the world -- deservedly -- and he likewise insulted my appearance, deservedly. (Or at least I think that's what he was trying to do -- his idioms are not always the most comprehensible).
Since I give no thought to my own appearance, or to Pamplin's opinion of me, I'm really not bothered.

How could you be bothered... you don't even have a brain... Oh that's right... you're the LITERACY POLICE EXPERT... emily is still single... lonely... and desperate!  You don't have OPINIONS emily... YOU ARE AN OPINION!  The EXCESSIVE POSTING OPINION... "excessemily"

Wow. This is pretty rough talk Rocky, easily said behind a computer screen....I'm not one to be easily offended but this kind of stuff is pretty unnecessary....   

Where have you been for the last 3 months... these people have thrown a million stones at me... while you were down under!

I've been here observing the whole time but surely tit for tat isn't solving anything here? Seems all statements from both sides have been going in circles for some time now don't ya think??

None of this has been pretty. 

Rocky, can I ask again, as I think my question was missed.  It sounds like Steve is a pretty happy, mellow man these days with a good relationship.  Can you tell us about his life?  You seem to have been friends over the years.  I honestly don't know what he's been up to.

[Emily]

I'm just going to point out, in my defense, that I hadn't posted in the Rocky thread for five days and during that time he name-checked me insultingly several times. I agree the tit-for-tat has gotten old, which is why I stopped posting there. I will leave this thread too now, to Rocky's fans.

[Emily]

This is straight-up old-school bullying and should not be allowed to stand - particularly as Andrew was decent enough to defend Rocky from some comments.

What are you talking about... "doe doe" defend me?  He can't even spell the word!  And you... you look up the word "OPINIONATED" in the dictionary... and they have your picture nest to it!  Even Debbie KL... the girl Brian liked...has already seen through the "angry 13" and is REPULSED!  

I will leave it to Debbie to let me know if she agrees with the latter statement.