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« Reply #50 on: March 21, 2016, 03:53:39 AM »


meh - some people think the sounds are BVs - this is because they are hearing what sound like BVs

if its not BVs I think its very interesting trying to find out how it was done


I've always heard it as Murry singing lead on "GV", but no-one will believe me...
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« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2016, 06:42:09 AM »

we all know Tony Asher (originally) had songwriting credit on LGAFA
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« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2016, 06:47:29 AM »

I've got it!!! ..... It's a bass swanee whistle, played by an owl through a Leslie speaker.
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« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2016, 08:40:39 AM »


The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
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« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2016, 08:51:38 AM »

If iisten carefully and let my mind wander a little bit, it kind of sounds like there is a semi-high pitched "oooh" vocal, but it's some kind of woodwind instrument, I think. I don't hear anything that sounds like "doo doo".
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« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2016, 09:32:07 AM »


The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
totally sounds like a flute to me, if they mean the medium to high pitched sort of sigh at :56 then the repeated warble toward the end.
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« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2016, 10:17:20 AM »


Hi Josh - how can you tell..?  I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?

I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?



The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
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« Reply #57 on: March 21, 2016, 10:20:58 AM »


yeh that's the one but I can't think of ever hearing a flute sound anything like that.

I'd love to know how they did it - are we saying its just 1 flute with a load of reverb on it..?



The thread won't go on and on as there's no way of resolving it.  Although the records show no vocal sessions it still sounds like BVs to me.

If its definitely not BVs I'd love to know what combination of instruments it is to get that sound - its one of my favourite moments on any BBs track.



It's definitely not.  It's flute.
totally sounds like a flute to me, if they mean the medium to high pitched sort of sigh at :56 then the repeated warble toward the end.
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« Reply #58 on: March 21, 2016, 10:36:35 AM »

Anybody tried listening to the 5.1 mix of PS from the "DVD Audio" release, and/or isolations from that mix? Granted, it was something a bit closer to a 4.0 mix (with little in the center channel or subwoofer), but perhaps there's a bit more separation or isolation there to hear this bit better?
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« Reply #59 on: March 21, 2016, 05:29:46 PM »


 how can you tell..?  I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?

I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?


Listening to flute music for 30 years?  The only thing I can think of that could be giving you the illusion of a dental plosive is the snare reverb return leaves a signature in rhythm with the flutes but delayed from the attack of the actual snare transient, which is somewhat obscured by the flutes playing the same rhythm, giving you the illusion of some kind of human mouth sound?

But it is beyond me how you could not hear a flute when it is clearly a flute, and could only be a flute, based on hard documentary evidence supplied by two of the top Beach Boys experts in the world.

I think I'm so strident about this because there are much more interesting and indeed actually mysterious mysteries out there.  Let's go solve those.
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« Reply #60 on: March 21, 2016, 05:44:18 PM »

nah gotta be vocals, I've been brainwashed by this thread.   LOL
you say something long enough, anyone will believe it.
try again aeijtzsche.  sooner or later someone might hear  LOL
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« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2016, 07:41:42 PM »

we all know Tony Asher (originally) had songwriting credit on LGAFA

Not on the internal Capitol memorandum dated February 23rd, 1966, which detailed the preliminary track list and composers. The composer credit there reads as it does now (although the selection itself went by another name at the time).
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« Reply #62 on: March 21, 2016, 11:56:04 PM »

we all know Tony Asher (originally) had songwriting credit on LGAFA

Really ? Despite Tony telling me, and several others down the decades, in private conversation that he'd not written any lyrics to it at all ? This "we" doesn't know, nor do the "wes" at BMI. Can we have a source for this stunning new information, please ?
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« Reply #63 on: March 22, 2016, 12:47:20 AM »


OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.

You think just 1 flute or a couple..?  Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?

And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't.  To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny.  Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?

Its one of the most beautiful sections of music I've ever heard.  The session guys must have been impressed.



 how can you tell..?  I'm willing to believe it but where is the 'd' on the 'doo-ee-oos' coming from..?

I just can't hear a flute - I'd guess maybe plucked string and flute together..?


Listening to flute music for 30 years?  The only thing I can think of that could be giving you the illusion of a dental plosive is the snare reverb return leaves a signature in rhythm with the flutes but delayed from the attack of the actual snare transient, which is somewhat obscured by the flutes playing the same rhythm, giving you the illusion of some kind of human mouth sound?

But it is beyond me how you could not hear a flute when it is clearly a flute, and could only be a flute, based on hard documentary evidence supplied by two of the top Beach Boys experts in the world.

I think I'm so strident about this because there are much more interesting and indeed actually mysterious mysteries out there.  Let's go solve those.
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« Reply #64 on: March 22, 2016, 12:57:56 AM »

I'm not insisting I'm right.  Its a discussion.  Discussion is how you learn - right..? Smiley

nah gotta be vocals, I've been brainwashed by this thread.   LOL
you say something long enough, anyone will believe it.
try again aeijtzsche.  sooner or later someone might hear  LOL
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« Reply #65 on: March 22, 2016, 08:54:51 AM »


OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.

You think just 1 flute or a couple..?  Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?

And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't.  To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny.  Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?


Very likely two flutes, played by Jules Jacob and possibly Steve Douglas.  No pizzicato strings, no.  I don't hear any sort of doo-doo, but I can understand why it might evoke that phoneme?  Another reason it might sound alien to you is that it's rare to hear flutes exploit the lower possibilities of the instrument.  And it is possible that these are alto flutes, which would even further remove the sound from your expectation of what a flute sounds like.

But let me ask you this, Occams razor time:  All the hard evidence points to it being flute.  So isn't it probably flute?

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« Reply #66 on: March 22, 2016, 09:04:41 AM »

More interesting to me is whether there was ever any actual lead melody to the song floating around Brian's head. No evidence suggests Asher wrote lyrics for it. But if Brian at *any* point considered writing lyrics, they would have needed a lead melody. Or, even if lyrics were never intended or even considered, I'm curious if Brian ever considered writing a lead melody.

Unlike "Summer Means New Love", which has the guitar playing the lead melody (which is what Brian and Scott Bennett wrote their lyrics to), "Let's Go Away for Awhile" doesn't have any lead melody so to speak. Another example of this, based on previous extant recordings, would be something like "Look" from "Smile."
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« Reply #67 on: March 22, 2016, 09:45:36 AM »

here ya go.... Grin
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« Reply #68 on: March 22, 2016, 10:17:58 AM »


I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?

Yeah I'm a big proponent of Occam's razor.  In a case like this though a live OD at the session isn't a crazy assertion (I'm not trying to say this definitely happened btw its just one thing I considered).

Just to be sure we're talking about the same part I'm going to roughly program it and stick it on soundcloud.

If its flutes its flutes though - doesn't spoil it in any way.




OK now that's really interesting - that's the kind of detail I was looking for.

You think just 1 flute or a couple..?  Nothing else - no plucked strings or somesuch in unison..?

And yes I've really really tried to hear it as a flute but I can't.  To me it sounds like Carl singing - its uncanny.  Can you hear the 'doo-doos' at all..?


Very likely two flutes, played by Jules Jacob and possibly Steve Douglas.  No pizzicato strings, no.  I don't hear any sort of doo-doo, but I can understand why it might evoke that phoneme?  Another reason it might sound alien to you is that it's rare to hear flutes exploit the lower possibilities of the instrument.  And it is possible that these are alto flutes, which would even further remove the sound from your expectation of what a flute sounds like.

But let me ask you this, Occams razor time:  All the hard evidence points to it being flute.  So isn't it probably flute?


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« Reply #69 on: March 22, 2016, 10:23:24 AM »

since as I'd said Tony Asher had songwriting credit for LGAFA yes that's evidence of lyrics, if unused
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« Reply #70 on: March 22, 2016, 10:35:31 AM »


I was thinking about it at work and wondered if it might be vibes in there too doubling..?

No, definitely not vibes. aeijtzsche's idea that it's alto flutes seems by far the most likely explanation to me. But while I'm not the greatest at picking out woodwind instruments, I'd recognise the sound of a vibraphone a mile off, and there's not one playing that melody.
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« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2016, 10:36:20 AM »

since as I'd said Tony Asher had songwriting credit for LGAFA yes that's evidence of lyrics, if unused

Except that Asher never had credit for that song, and has said himself that he never wrote any lyrics.
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« Reply #72 on: March 22, 2016, 10:43:04 AM »

Here you go - this is just to make sure we're all talking about the same part.

Its a 5 mins Garageband job - not very accurate but enough to identify what I'm on about.

https://soundcloud.com/spooky-music

'lets go'

(ref vibes:  could be really washed out ones with the attack softened right out..?)
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« Reply #73 on: March 22, 2016, 11:04:26 AM »

yes mr asher used to have songwriting LGAFA credit - you must check older pressings and printed music to confirm

he didn't get songwriting LGAFA credit because he contributed to writing the music, otherwise his name would still appear credited today
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« Reply #74 on: March 22, 2016, 11:15:22 AM »

It really really just sounds like plain old flute with some reverberation to me.
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