new article with some interesting tidbits

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For a guy who has not seen the movie, never read the 'book', I would guess hasn't heard a solo album, definitely not been to a solo show, Mike sure has a lot to say about his cousin. Relying on second hand reports of the movie then commenting on aspects he doesn't like comes across as bitter. Even he should be impressed and appreciate the studio recreation in itself.

It also doesn't help when interviewers/writers stoke the flames with stuff like this:

But what about the on-screen Love being verbally cruel to Brian, regarding the latter’s musical ideas? “Total bull, a fallacy,” said Love. “Brian and I had always been friends.”

I guess I have to watch L&M again, but I don't recall Mike being portrayed as being "verbally cruel" to Brian. While Mike shouldn't just take someone else's interpretation of the film and run with it, it certainly doesn't help anything or anyone to give Mike this impression.

This sort of stuff reminds me of the flames being stoked in that Beard interview last year about "No Pier Pressure", where it seemed like Mike was acting extra hostile about the idea that someone somewhere was saying NPP "could have been a Beach Boys" album.

Surely, at the very least, Mike should be able to understand that he's going to come across as extra cranky and ignorant as to what he's talking about when he rants about subjects he admits he has little or no information about.

How many times did a Roger Ebert review start with, "Now, I haven't actually seen this movie, but here's what I think about it...."?

Hey Jude - the LA Times is a good source on reporting what happened.  

http://article.latimes.com/1991-12-06/local/me-478_1_beach-boy-wilson

A suit was filed in May of 1990.  It was supposed to go to trial.  It was related to legal fraud.  

"The settlement was reached behind closed door and sealed by the court."

People generally do not discuss settlements that are reached behind closed doors and sealed by the court.  So, filed in May, with settlements by early December of 1991, and further paperwork to have been signed a couple of weeks post.

The article says that Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie were satisfied that the agreement would allow the singer the freedom "to live his own life as he chooses."   involved.  

Who would imagine that the family or the band would knowingly let Brian continue to be tortured by that creep.  Landy had wide berth to isolate Brian from his family and he did. It is too bad that once the "Brains and Genius" relationship arose, that action didn't result immediately.  

Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  But far as the sequence of events, court conferences, and the court sealing the records go,  that stuff is closer-to-the-vest than a full-on trial where it is open to the public and people feel free to comment.  It appears it was handled more discretely.  

It arose out of a medical matter even though there were certain "irregularities" as far as the evil doc was concerned, where he escaped prosecution.    

[SMiLE Brian]

The family just had to have Landy manage their "golden goose"

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Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

Emily - during Landy 2, no one but the Landy people had real access to Brian. They were marginalized and monitored. Landy was off-to-the-side of the stage when Brian appeared for a couple of songs.  And the band had no choice but to take it in stride and put on a good face for the public for the performance.  

Landy held the cards with the court at that time.  The band was underwriting the treatment.  How can they be the bad guys here? That is like victim-blaming and shaming.  What is that about?  They paid for the treatment in good faith.  No one benefitted from Landy.  Most of all Brian, but the band looks like collateral economic damage for Landy.

And, all that stress could not have been good for Carl who ended up with terminal cancer not long afterwards.  

[HeyJude]

For a guy who has not seen the movie, never read the 'book', I would guess hasn't heard a solo album, definitely not been to a solo show, Mike sure has a lot to say about his cousin. Relying on second hand reports of the movie then commenting on aspects he doesn't like comes across as bitter. Even he should be impressed and appreciate the studio recreation in itself.

It also doesn't help when interviewers/writers stoke the flames with stuff like this:

But what about the on-screen Love being verbally cruel to Brian, regarding the latter’s musical ideas? “Total bull, a fallacy,” said Love. “Brian and I had always been friends.”

I guess I have to watch L&M again, but I don't recall Mike being portrayed as being "verbally cruel" to Brian. While Mike shouldn't just take someone else's interpretation of the film and run with it, it certainly doesn't help anything or anyone to give Mike this impression.

This sort of stuff reminds me of the flames being stoked in that Beard interview last year about "No Pier Pressure", where it seemed like Mike was acting extra hostile about the idea that someone somewhere was saying NPP "could have been a Beach Boys" album.

Surely, at the very least, Mike should be able to understand that he's going to come across as extra cranky and ignorant as to what he's talking about when he rants about subjects he admits he has little or no information about.

How many times did a Roger Ebert review start with, "Now, I haven't actually seen this movie, but here's what I think about it...."?

Hey Jude - the LA Times is a good source on reporting what happened.  

http://article.latimes.com/1991-12-06/local/me-478_1_beach-boy-wilson

A suit was filed in May of 1990.  It was supposed to go to trial.  It was related to legal fraud.  

"The settlement was reached behind closed door and sealed by the court."

People generally do not discuss settlements that are reached behind closed doors and sealed by the court.  So, filed in May, with settlements by early December of 1991, and further paperwork to have been signed a couple of weeks post.

The article says that Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie were satisfied that the agreement would allow the singer the freedom "to live his own life as he chooses."   involved.  

Who would imagine that the family or the band would knowingly let Brian continue to be tortured by that creep.  Landy had wide berth to isolate Brian from his family and he did. It is too bad that once the "Brains and Genius" relationship arose, that action didn't result immediately.  

Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  But far as the sequence of events, court conferences, and the court sealing the records go,  that stuff is closer-to-the-vest than a full-on trial where it is open to the public and people feel free to comment.  It appears it was handled more discretely.  

It arose out of a medical matter even though there were certain "irregularities" as far as the evil doc was concerned, where he escaped prosecution.    

What does any of that have to do with Mike commenting, in some detail, about a movie he hasn’t seen? That’s what my post, which you’re quoting above, discusses. Regardless of whether the film depicts Melinda helping Brian or if it depicts Scooby Doo and the Harlem Globetrotters exposing and capturing Landy, the point is that Mike is griping about something he hasn’t seen, and it shows, because he seems to have the impression that things occur in the film which do not actually occur.  

Not every topic and discussion point of all time is about court cases and old news articles. If you want to make the point separately, please do. But please don't quote someone's post if your intention is to talk about something completely different. It's confusing, at best.

Separately, all of the stuff cited above regarding the Landy case completely undercuts Mike's comments. He minimizes Melinda's role, and didn't mention Audree, Wendy, or Carnie at all. He appears to have total ignorance as to the L&M film (and admittedly so), and a selective and partial, at best, understanding or recollection of the Landy case.

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The family just had to have Landy manage their "golden goose"

Except that Kokomo was done without Brian (except on the Spanish version, after Landy woke from his slumber) and was a monster hit during that window of time.  

[CenturyDeprived]

Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  

Where's your outrage for Mike's minimization (if not nearly outright denial) of Melinda playing any role whatsoever in the incidents you've just correctly described?

[HeyJude]

Wait, "Kokomo" was a hit? And not just a hit, but a "Monster Hit"?

If only Mike had mentioned this at some point over the years.

[CenturyDeprived]

Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

I think the same could be said for how Denny was attempted to be helped by his family. Unfortunately, they tried to help but inadvertently wound up enabling his addictions, by for instance having an extra drummer on hand in case he was too smashed to hold down the fort.  The family were SO in over their heads, tragically.

[HeyJude]

The family just had to have Landy manage their "golden goose"

Except that Kokomo was done without Brian (except on the Spanish version, after Landy woke from his slumber) and was a monster hit during that window of time.  

Al Jardine also did "Come Go With Me" largely if not completely without Brian. They toured successfully for years without him. The band had already established that it could have success without Brian participation. That doesn't mean they didn't bring him back around, in part, because it helped them too. There's little other explanation for why they kept Brian in the touring band in 1981 and 1982 for instance.

But there was and has pretty much always been a clear understanding that attaching Brian to the Beach Boys upped the rewards of most any project (e.g. the CBS contract requiring Brian participate). It doesn't mean every single collaboration with Brian or every time they wanted or tried to work with him, they were licking their chops for a huge paycheck to come out of it.

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For a guy who has not seen the movie, never read the 'book', I would guess hasn't heard a solo album, definitely not been to a solo show, Mike sure has a lot to say about his cousin. Relying on second hand reports of the movie then commenting on aspects he doesn't like comes across as bitter. Even he should be impressed and appreciate the studio recreation in itself.

It also doesn't help when interviewers/writers stoke the flames with stuff like this:

But what about the on-screen Love being verbally cruel to Brian, regarding the latter’s musical ideas? “Total bull, a fallacy,” said Love. “Brian and I had always been friends.”

I guess I have to watch L&M again, but I don't recall Mike being portrayed as being "verbally cruel" to Brian. While Mike shouldn't just take someone else's interpretation of the film and run with it, it certainly doesn't help anything or anyone to give Mike this impression.

This sort of stuff reminds me of the flames being stoked in that Beard interview last year about "No Pier Pressure", where it seemed like Mike was acting extra hostile about the idea that someone somewhere was saying NPP "could have been a Beach Boys" album.

Surely, at the very least, Mike should be able to understand that he's going to come across as extra cranky and ignorant as to what he's talking about when he rants about subjects he admits he has little or no information about.

How many times did a Roger Ebert review start with, "Now, I haven't actually seen this movie, but here's what I think about it...."?

Hey Jude - the LA Times is a good source on reporting what happened.  

http://article.latimes.com/1991-12-06/local/me-478_1_beach-boy-wilson

A suit was filed in May of 1990.  It was supposed to go to trial.  It was related to legal fraud.  

"The settlement was reached behind closed door and sealed by the court."

People generally do not discuss settlements that are reached behind closed doors and sealed by the court.  So, filed in May, with settlements by early December of 1991, and further paperwork to have been signed a couple of weeks post.

The article says that Carl, Audree, Wendy and Carnie were satisfied that the agreement would allow the singer the freedom "to live his own life as he chooses."   involved.  

Who would imagine that the family or the band would knowingly let Brian continue to be tortured by that creep.  Landy had wide berth to isolate Brian from his family and he did. It is too bad that once the "Brains and Genius" relationship arose, that action didn't result immediately.  

Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  But far as the sequence of events, court conferences, and the court sealing the records go,  that stuff is closer-to-the-vest than a full-on trial where it is open to the public and people feel free to comment.  It appears it was handled more discretely.  

It arose out of a medical matter even though there were certain "irregularities" as far as the evil doc was concerned, where he escaped prosecution.    

What does any of that have to do with Mike commenting, in some detail, about a movie he hasn’t seen? That’s what my post, which you’re quoting above, discusses. Regardless of whether the film depicts Melinda helping Brian or if it depicts Scooby Doo and the Harlem Globetrotters exposing and capturing Landy, the point is that Mike is griping about something he hasn’t seen, and it shows, because he seems to have the impression that things occur in the film which do not actually occur.  

Not every topic and discussion point of all time is about court cases and old news articles. If you want to make the point separately, please do. But please don't quote someone's post if your intention is to talk about something completely different. It's confusing, at best.

Separately, all of the stuff cited above regarding the Landy case completely undercuts Mike's comments. He minimizes Melinda's role, and didn't mention Audree, Wendy, or Carnie at all. He appears to have total ignorance as to the L&M film (and admittedly so), and a selective and partial, at best, understanding or recollection of the Landy case.

He likely knew who was in court. Mike may or may not have been at those court conferences that came about as a result of the "revised will" (from 1989) intervention.  

Mike would know more than me and you, if he was at those conferences.   But the case was sealed so no one (outside of those who were there over that stretch of time) can draw an inference out of thin air.

Someone is always going to construe an evil motive where there might not be one.  The case was sealed.  Only those who were there know.  

Surely Gloria and Melinda opened the door, but there may have been really contentious sessions, to get Brian out of a court-ordered guardianship and reverse their own order.  

[HeyJude]

He likely knew who was in court. Mike may or may not have been at those court conferences that came about as a result of the "revised will" (from 1989) intervention.  

Mike would know more than me and you, if he was at those conferences.   But the case was sealed so no one (outside of those who were there over that stretch of time) can draw an inference out of thin air.

Someone is always going to construe an evil motive where there might not be one.  The case was sealed.  Only those who were there know.  

Surely Gloria and Melinda opened the door, but there may have been really contentious, to get Brian out of a court-ordered guardianship and reverse their own order.  

We all have the exact same access to view the L&M film. Mike says he has not, yet continues to discuss it and its contents. Would you agree this is ill-advised (to put it politely)?

You're also characterizing that Mike did not have a full picture of the Landy case. He continues to discuss this as well, and even your own comments and citations contradict Mike's portrayal of Melinda's role. Would you agree this is also unfortunate and/or ill-advised?

Of course you won't. Even in a thread where you're adamantly championing Melinda's role in a thread devoted to articles where Mike seems to indicate that the depiction of Melinda helping to save Brian is inaccurate, you still won't repudiate one single word of anything Mike says.

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Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  

Where's your outrage for Mike's minimization (if not nearly outright denial) of Melinda playing any role whatsoever in the incidents you've just correctly described?

CD - I did not get that impression.  There may have been real fireworks at those hearings.  It started in May of 1990 as a result of the revised 1989 Landy will, and was not resolved for about a year and a half in December of 1991.   It looks likke a very protracted series of events and since it has a closed file it is wrong for people to speculate about what it all means.  

We only know what happened out of court and not what happened with the court involvement.  It was not a one-day resolution.  

[SMiLE Brian]

To expand on my earlier point, they did not need BW's cachet by the late 1980s. Therefore they were content to make subpar music and keep the touring machine going. Hence leaving BW under the "care" of Landy.

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He likely knew who was in court. Mike may or may not have been at those court conferences that came about as a result of the "revised will" (from 1989) intervention.  

Mike would know more than me and you, if he was at those conferences.   But the case was sealed so no one (outside of those who were there over that stretch of time) can draw an inference out of thin air.

Someone is always going to construe an evil motive where there might not be one.  The case was sealed.  Only those who were there know.  

Surely Gloria and Melinda opened the door, but there may have been really contentious, to get Brian out of a court-ordered guardianship and reverse their own order.  

We all have the exact same access to view the L&M film. Mike says he has not, yet continues to discuss it and its contents. Would you agree this is ill-advised (to put it politely)?

You're also characterizing that Mike did not have a full picture of the Landy case. He continues to discuss this as well, and even your own comments and citations contradict Mike's portrayal of Melinda's role. Would you agree this is also unfortunate and/or ill-advised?

Of course you won't. Even in a thread where you're adamantly championing Melinda's role in a thread devoted to articles where Mike seems to indicate that the depiction of Melinda helping to save Brian is inaccurate, you still won't repudiate one single word of anything Mike says.

Hey Jude - It is not our business, to put it politely.  Especially looking at those time-lines that led to the resolution of that whole disaster.  I am not characterizing or mis-characterizing anything but pointing out that unlike the copyright lawsuits, that were public, these were conferences that avoided trial, and, it was a sealed case.  

There is not just one champion here. There may be many, including Brian's late mother and Carl and Wendy and Carnie.  Once Melinda and Gloria opened the door, those others who had standing, had to walk through and continue the fight.

And, I don't think this is just a story about Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys.  It is also the story of predatory doctors who can take advantage of their patients and exploit them.  It raises awareness about those issues, that millions of other suffer from.  And effective advocacy.    

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To expand on my earlier point, they did not need BW's cachet by the late 1980s. Therefore they were content to make subpar music and keep the touring machine going. Hence leaving BW under the "care" of Landy.

Smile Brian - the record companies were asleep-at-the-switch with Pet Sounds.  They thought the band was all washed up and started releasing the older work. 

[Emily]

Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

Emily - during Landy 2, no one but the Landy people had real access to Brian. They were marginalized and monitored. Landy was off-to-the-side of the stage when Brian appeared for a couple of songs.  And the band had no choice but to take it in stride and put on a good face for the public for the performance.  

Landy held the cards with the court at that time.  The band was underwriting the treatment.  How can they be the bad guys here? That is like victim-blaming and shaming.  What is that about?  They paid for the treatment in good faith.  No one benefitted from Landy.  Most of all Brian, but the band looks like collateral economic damage for Landy.

And, all that stress could not have been good for Carl who ended up with terminal cancer not long afterwards.  

1.  They gave Landy the cards. What kind of people sign their family member's conservatorship over? Why didn't they just maintain it themselves and hire Landy like a regular doctor/patient deal? They just signed Brian over to someone and walked away.
2. And what wacko thought it was a good idea to hire Landy again after seeing the abusive treatment BW got from him before? And who stood aside and didn't try to stop that?
3. And which Beach Boy or brother or cousin or mother or wife stood up and said, "hell, if Brian doesn't want to write for, produce, record with, tour with the Beach Boys, he shouldn't have to. Why are we physically forcing him to do things he obviously doesn't want to do? Maybe leave him alone."
When Rocky tells us about that scene, I'll change my opinion. Right now, they all seem to have been cooperating in his abuse.

[Emily]

Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

I think the same could be said for how Denny was attempted to be helped by his family. Unfortunately, they tried to help but inadvertently wound up enabling his addictions, by for instance having an extra drummer on hand in case he was too smashed to hold down the fort.  The family were SO in over their heads, tragically.

No one followed the proper legal procedure, which they knew about because they did it for Brian.

[Emily]

The family just had to have Landy manage their "golden goose"

Except that Kokomo was done without Brian (except on the Spanish version, after Landy woke from his slumber) and was a monster hit during that window of time.  

Al Jardine also did "Come Go With Me" largely if not completely without Brian. They toured successfully for years without him. The band had already established that it could have success without Brian participation. That doesn't mean they didn't bring him back around, in part, because it helped them too. There's little other explanation for why they kept Brian in the touring band in 1981 and 1982 for instance.

But there was and has pretty much always been a clear understanding that attaching Brian to the Beach Boys upped the rewards of most any project (e.g. the CBS contract requiring Brian participate). It doesn't mean every single collaboration with Brian or every time they wanted or tried to work with him, they were licking their chops for a huge paycheck to come out of it.

Also record companies and promoters were much more likely to work with them if Brian was part of the deal.

[SMiLE Brian]

Mike even had the gall to say the BW songs on still cruisin "diluted" the concept of the album's movie songs.

[filledeplage]

Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

Emily - during Landy 2, no one but the Landy people had real access to Brian. They were marginalized and monitored. Landy was off-to-the-side of the stage when Brian appeared for a couple of songs.  And the band had no choice but to take it in stride and put on a good face for the public for the performance.  

Landy held the cards with the court at that time.  The band was underwriting the treatment.  How can they be the bad guys here? That is like victim-blaming and shaming.  What is that about?  They paid for the treatment in good faith.  No one benefitted from Landy.  Most of all Brian, but the band looks like collateral economic damage for Landy.

And, all that stress could not have been good for Carl who ended up with terminal cancer not long afterwards.  

1.  They gave Landy the cards. What kind of people sign their family member's conservatorship over? Why didn't they just maintain it themselves and hire Landy like a regular doctor/patient deal? They just signed Brian over to someone and walked away.
2. And what wacko thought it was a good idea to hire Landy again after seeing the abusive treatment BW got from him before? And who stood aside and didn't try to stop that?
3. And which Beach Boy or brother or cousin or mother or wife stood up and said, "hell, if Brian doesn't want to write for, produce, record with, tour with the Beach Boys, he shouldn't have to. Why are we physically forcing him to do things he obviously doesn't want to do? Maybe leave him alone."
When Rocky tells us about that scene, I'll change my opinion. Right now, they all seem to have been cooperating in his abuse.

Emily -
Landy got the cards with "court approval."  Did the court independently investigate Landy?  Did they investigate the doctor "prospectively" who was the prescribing physician? I don't think so.  Would it have changed a devious predator such as Landy?  Probably not.  

There was some positive success with the first Landy run.  Brian lost a great deal of weight and appeared to be in better condition.

In that era, people knew less than they do know with neuroscience. It is misapplying a standard for 2016 that did not exist in those years.

[filledeplage]

The family just had to have Landy manage their "golden goose"

Except that Kokomo was done without Brian (except on the Spanish version, after Landy woke from his slumber) and was a monster hit during that window of time.  

Al Jardine also did "Come Go With Me" largely if not completely without Brian. They toured successfully for years without him. The band had already established that it could have success without Brian participation. That doesn't mean they didn't bring him back around, in part, because it helped them too. There's little other explanation for why they kept Brian in the touring band in 1981 and 1982 for instance.

But there was and has pretty much always been a clear understanding that attaching Brian to the Beach Boys upped the rewards of most any project (e.g. the CBS contract requiring Brian participate). It doesn't mean every single collaboration with Brian or every time they wanted or tried to work with him, they were licking their chops for a huge paycheck to come out of it.

Also record companies and promoters were much more likely to work with them if Brian was part of the deal.

Emily -  by that time, people were asking for over 10 years when they would see Brian perform.  He was off the road, by agreement of the parties in 1965.

Everyone wanted to see Brian Wilson.  I waited 20 years and it was a Landy cameo that was my first glimpse of Brian. I did not see Brian in 1981 or 1982.  It was not until June of 1987 that I saw Brian. 

[CenturyDeprived]

Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  

Where's your outrage for Mike's minimization (if not nearly outright denial) of Melinda playing any role whatsoever in the incidents you've just correctly described?

CD - I did not get that impression.  There may have been real fireworks at those hearings.  It started in May of 1990 as a result of the revised 1989 Landy will, and was not resolved for about a year and a half in December of 1991.   It looks likke a very protracted series of events and since it has a closed file it is wrong for people to speculate about what it all means.  

We only know what happened out of court and not what happened with the court involvement.  It was not a one-day resolution.  

You did not get that impression? Then what impression did you in fact get? Mike said the film’s worst inaccuracies included “That Melinda (played by Elizabeth Banks) saved Brian from Dr. Landy". In Mike's own words... Melinda saving Brian is negated to the point of her involvement in getting Brian's extraction to happen is inaccurate.

You yourself went so far as to thank god that Melinda was "able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion" (which I don't disagree with), in direct contradiction to what Mike said. Exactly how are you interpreting what he said in some other way?

Again... it was more than JUST Melinda's actions, and the film does state that. She calls Carl and/or Audree (I can't recall if it's both or just one of them) in the film. If Mike's miffed and thinks it's wrong that Stan's role in the process wasn't additionally mentioned, that's fair for him to state... but not at the expense of avoiding any acknowledgement of Melinda's role. Two wrongs don't make a right.

How does Mike in any way give Melinda any credit at all in the interview? It would seem your opinion of thanking god for Melinda's actions would be at odds with what Mike is putting out there. It's not speculation to categorically state that Melinda played a significant role in the process. What Mike is doing is tantamount to the film existing without one single mention of Mike writing a hit song with Brian, which of course would be grossly inaccurate, and of course the film made no such claim.

[Emily]

Carl was around during Landy I and Pamplin. What did he do to cut that sh*t out? What did he do to stop the hiring of Landy II? I understand that Carl Wilson was uber nonconfrontational and he had his own issues, so it's perhaps understandable that he didn't help, but to pat him on the back and call him a hero for standing to the side watching his brother being abused for 15 years, then finally doing something, is off.
And that goes for all the rest of them, not just Carl. What a massive failure Brian Wilson's supposed support system turned out to be.

Emily - during Landy 2, no one but the Landy people had real access to Brian. They were marginalized and monitored. Landy was off-to-the-side of the stage when Brian appeared for a couple of songs.  And the band had no choice but to take it in stride and put on a good face for the public for the performance.  

Landy held the cards with the court at that time.  The band was underwriting the treatment.  How can they be the bad guys here? That is like victim-blaming and shaming.  What is that about?  They paid for the treatment in good faith.  No one benefitted from Landy.  Most of all Brian, but the band looks like collateral economic damage for Landy.

And, all that stress could not have been good for Carl who ended up with terminal cancer not long afterwards.  

1.  They gave Landy the cards. What kind of people sign their family member's conservatorship over? Why didn't they just maintain it themselves and hire Landy like a regular doctor/patient deal? They just signed Brian over to someone and walked away.
2. And what wacko thought it was a good idea to hire Landy again after seeing the abusive treatment BW got from him before? And who stood aside and didn't try to stop that?
3. And which Beach Boy or brother or cousin or mother or wife stood up and said, "hell, if Brian doesn't want to write for, produce, record with, tour with the Beach Boys, he shouldn't have to. Why are we physically forcing him to do things he obviously doesn't want to do? Maybe leave him alone."
When Rocky tells us about that scene, I'll change my opinion. Right now, they all seem to have been cooperating in his abuse.

Emily -
Landy got the cards with "court approval."  Did the court independently investigate Landy?  Did they investigate the doctor "prospectively" who was the prescribing physician? I don't think so.  Would it have changed a devious predator such as Landy?  Probably not.  

There was some positive success with the first Landy run.  Brian lost a great deal of weight and appeared to be in better condition.

In that era, people knew less than they do know with neuroscience. It is misapplying a standard for 2016 that did not exist in those years.

The first Landy period was transparently focused on forcing Brian to act as a Beach Boy and Landy's 'treatment' was transparently inappropriate. The court approved Landy's conservatorship at the family's request.
I said nothing about neuroscience.

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Hey Jude - It is not our business, to put it politely.  Especially looking at those time-lines that led to the resolution of that whole disaster.  I am not characterizing or mis-characterizing anything but pointing out that unlike the copyright lawsuits, that were public, these were conferences that avoided trial, and, it was a sealed case.  

There is not just one champion here. There may be many, including Brian's late mother and Carl and Wendy and Carnie.  Once Melinda and Gloria opened the door, those others who had standing, had to walk through and continue the fight.

And, I don't think this is just a story about Brian Wilson or the Beach Boys.  It is also the story of predatory doctors who can take advantage of their patients and exploit them.  It raises awareness about those issues, that millions of other suffer from.  And effective advocacy.    

You jumped into this discussion. Why would you if it's "not our business?"

You've jumped into a discussion of how Mike has minimized the role of Melinda by pointing out that Melinda did have a role, followed up with a bunch of legal mumbojumbo that had nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and that nobody, generally speaking, seems to disagree with.

So when the topic at hand is, while admittedly a bit rhetorical in nature, "Mike is being a d**k for minimizing Melinda's role", and you jump in to absolve Mike of anything that might be construed as slightly negative, while also going on at length about how Melinda DID play a role, it comes across as sort of troll-ish to be honest.

If you want to write a non-sequitur dissertation about the intricacies of conservatorship cases and whatnot, there are plenty of other places to do it.

Why continually step into these "anti-Mike" discussions if one feels they are inherently inappropriate or none of our business? And most especially, why step in with information that contradicts Mike's own words, the very words at the heart of the current discussion, and then continue to incredulously wonder why someone would take issue with his comments?

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Thank God, Gloria and Melinda were able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion to get Brian extricated from that predator.  

Where's your outrage for Mike's minimization (if not nearly outright denial) of Melinda playing any role whatsoever in the incidents you've just correctly described?

CD - I did not get that impression.  There may have been real fireworks at those hearings.  It started in May of 1990 as a result of the revised 1989 Landy will, and was not resolved for about a year and a half in December of 1991.   It looks likke a very protracted series of events and since it has a closed file it is wrong for people to speculate about what it all means.  

We only know what happened out of court and not what happened with the court involvement.  It was not a one-day resolution.  

Mike said the film’s worst inaccuracies included “That Melinda (played by Elizabeth Banks) saved Brian from Dr. Landy". His own words... Melinda saving Brian is diminished to the point of her involvement in getting Brian's extraction to happen is inaccurate.

You yourself went so far as to thank god that Melinda was "able to work under-the-radar to set the wheels in motion" (which I don't disagree with), in direct contradiction to what Mike said. Exactly how are you interpreting what he said in some other way?

Again... it was more than JUST Melinda's actions, and the film does state that. She calls Carl and/or Audree (I can't recall if it's both or just one of them) in the film. If Mike's miffed that Stan's role wasn't additionally mentioned, that's fair for him to state... but not at the expense of avoiding any acknowledgement of Melinda's role.

How does Mike in any way give Melinda any credit at all in the interview? It would seem your opinion of thanking god for Melinda's actions would be at odds with what Mike is putting out there. It's not speculation to categorically state that Melinda played a significant role in the process.

CD - Those people that Melinda called in the movie are no longer with us.  As a mother, or even a sibling, I would have been devastated to learn that a medical person took advantage of a family member.  Imagine being in their shoes.    

Maybe they were not portrayed out of respect because they have since passed and that was tasteful. I will tell you that I might not have been as restrained (behind a closed door hearing and a sealed case) as that family was.  It does not take much to imagine the scenario of having to face your son's predator.  Or for Carl, to face his brother's predator after losing your other brother only a few years earlier.  Not pretty.  Or the band members learning they had been "had." (By Landy.)

We know what we saw in that brilliant movie, but don't know the heartache of discovering about this criminally abusive situation by the immediate family members and the band.