Was there any evidence "Wind Chimes" was Air?

[Cam Mott]

Re. Derek Taylor in May: in the same issue of D&ME for May 6 1967 is an article about the Boys' tour and it reports the Boys had already crossed the pond and would be flying to London but Taylor is in America (as is Brian) reporting about Carl's Los Angeles lawyer being confident about his draft case. Seems Brian may have done the reveal to Taylor.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The double album nonsense: Van Dyke told me explicitly that it was always a single album. Not double, not an EP, not a 5CD 2LP 2 singles box set. A single album.

[Micha]

That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

While its a logical assumption Mike broke the news,

Why is that a logical assumption? Could have been any of the boys, including Brian himself. And press statements always have to be taken with a grain of salt, like "laryngitis", you know?

Alan, I hope your feet didn't get wet!

[Alan Smith]

That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

While its a logical assumption Mike broke the news,

Why is that a logical assumption? Could have been any of the boys, including Brian himself. And press statements always have to be taken with a grain of salt, like "laryngitis", you know?

Alan, I hope your feet didn't get wet!

  Micha, I'm keeping them feet well above the high-tide line.  We live in an elevated position which makes things easier.

Based on the press evidence GuitarFool has put forward, one could logically assume Mike is the most likely candidate to be providing the initial feed, BUT, that's an assumption not a hard fact.

And as I assume, I'm sure Derek Taylor wouldn't have gone to press on the here-say of anyone in the group without verifying facts with the group/team/management/Brian.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I want to see proof for Craig's claim that Mike told Taylor. First it was an assumption, then it was a fact. Source, please.

[Alan Smith]

I want to see proof for Craig's claim that Mike told Taylor. First it was an assumption, then it was a fact. Source, please.

+ 1

[Cam Mott]

"Often put down in their early years, now vastly and widely appreciated in so many, many ways, the Beach Boys and I met in 1966 and worked together for two years. They paid me $750 a month for publicity and all sorts of help and they loaned me five thou when I had a crisis. Such generosity, but Christ, they were hard work. The basis of the band was the three Wilson brothers, Brian, Dennis and Carl, and their cousin Mike Love; but there was a fifth, Al Jardine, at that time not a full-sharing financial partner; and there was a sixth, Bruce Johnston, stand-in for Brian during stage performances, not yet certain of his role (he left in 1972). And they were anxious to bring everything much more together and win a wider following among the cognoscenti. They were on the threshold of releasing "Pet Sounds" and the next single was to be 'Good Vibrations'. “ Derek Taylor - As Time Goes By

"A man called Alan Pariser attended the Monterey Jazz Festival, which was quite an established event, and while smoking a marijuana cigarette, he considered the possibility of thousands and thousands of pop fans pouring out on the grounds, instead of these rather stuffy jazzophiles in corduroy trousers.
"He went to people with money, and raised I think $50,000 'seed money' to put on a pop festival at the Monterey Fairgrounds in Northern California, to be held sometime during the summer of l967, now known as the Summer of Love.
"In January of that mild winter, he asked me if I would publicize it. Well, I had just decided to drop out of being a Hollywood press agent, which is the lowest form of life, and go home to England. It was a time for dropping out."  Derek Taylor

My memory is 50% I guess.  

[Cam Mott]

Is there evidence that Derek was with the Beach Boys on that tour?

[Micha]

Word is...Taylor's info didn't come from Brian.

Whose word?

Micha, I'm keeping them feet well above the high-tide line.  We live in an elevated position which makes things easier.

No intentions to move to lower Geelong?

[filledeplage]

Re. Derek Taylor in May: in the same issue of D&ME for May 6 1967 is an article about the Boys' tour and it reports the Boys had already crossed the pond and would be flying to London but Taylor is in America (as is Brian) reporting about Carl's Los Angeles lawyer being confident about his draft case. Seems Brian may have done the reveal to Taylor.

Cam - They did go to the UK - amidst Carl going back to face a judge on the draft evasion charges, (I think in California on the 1st of May.) and then turn around to go to Ireland, where the band had already played a show or part of one without him.  IIRC

I don't have either Badman or Rusten handy right now.  Carl was arrested in NY.  I think around the 26th of April.  Right after Inside Pop aired. IMDB says April 25th it aired.

They played Boston on April 28 on a Friday, Carl had been released.

April has 30 days.  The weekend is the 29th and 30th.    If this "from his desk in LA, Derek Taylor" announcement is on a Saturday.  (the 29th)  - how much "lead time" would be needed from submission (deadline) to print release of these press announcements?

And (courtesy of "Jeff" - from Badman) - session "ILTSDD" - on 5/16-18.  (I Love to say Da Da) - sounds like Mike.  

If there are Smile sessions when they come back, it does not make sense.    Just sayin.'  

[Andrew G. Doe]

Carl missed the first show in Ireland. Check out 10452.

[filledeplage]

Carl missed the first show in Ireland. Check out 10452.

Andrew - I thought so, and should've checked 10452 - it is easier to "carry around" than either Rusten or Badman!

[Theydon Bois]

That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

While its a logical assumption Mike broke the news, surely Derek Taylor would have confirmed with the mothership before dropping a bomb like that, no matter who told him x.

The idea that Brian was not consulted on, or even aware of, the "SCRAPPED" announcement is not a new one though.  It was certainly floated in Carlin's book.

[Andrew G. Doe]

That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

Except it's not exactly what happened, because  Taylor wasn't in the UK.

[Andrew G. Doe]

On phone so no quotes but can't be Mike on "Da Da" May sessions as he was still in Europe.

[Emily]

"Often put down in their early years, now vastly and widely appreciated in so many, many ways, the Beach Boys and I met in 1966 and worked together for two years. They paid me $750 a month for publicity and all sorts of help and they loaned me five thou when I had a crisis. Such generosity, but Christ, they were hard work. The basis of the band was the three Wilson brothers, Brian, Dennis and Carl, and their cousin Mike Love; but there was a fifth, Al Jardine, at that time not a full-sharing financial partner; and there was a sixth, Bruce Johnston, stand-in for Brian during stage performances, not yet certain of his role (he left in 1972). And they were anxious to bring everything much more together and win a wider following among the cognoscenti. They were on the threshold of releasing "Pet Sounds" and the next single was to be 'Good Vibrations'. “ Derek Taylor - As Time Goes By

"A man called Alan Pariser attended the Monterey Jazz Festival, which was quite an established event, and while smoking a marijuana cigarette, he considered the possibility of thousands and thousands of pop fans pouring out on the grounds, instead of these rather stuffy jazzophiles in corduroy trousers.
"He went to people with money, and raised I think $50,000 'seed money' to put on a pop festival at the Monterey Fairgrounds in Northern California, to be held sometime during the summer of l967, now known as the Summer of Love.
"In January of that mild winter, he asked me if I would publicize it. Well, I had just decided to drop out of being a Hollywood press agent, which is the lowest form of life, and go home to England. It was a time for dropping out."  Derek Taylor

My memory is 50% I guess.  

It sounds like his memory is 50% as the two quotes are contradictory (the two years from 66 would indicate 68) and another source (which I'll find when I'm at my computer) indicates that he didn't move back to England until fall 67 at the earliest. I suppose if he was deciding to leave in mid-winter 66-67 he may not have actually made the move until late 67, though.

[Cam Mott]

Re. Derek Taylor in May: in the same issue of D&ME for May 6 1967 is an article about the Boys' tour and it reports the Boys had already crossed the pond and would be flying to London but Taylor is in America (as is Brian) reporting about Carl's Los Angeles lawyer being confident about his draft case. Seems Brian may have done the reveal to Taylor.

Cam - They did go to the UK - amidst Carl going back to face a judge on the draft evasion charges, (I think in California on the 1st of May.) and then turn around to go to Ireland, where the band had already played a show or part of one without him.  IIRC

I don't have either Badman or Rusten handy right now.  Carl was arrested in NY.  I think around the 26th of April.  Right after Inside Pop aired. IMDB says April 25th it aired.

They played Boston on April 28 on a Friday, Carl had been released.

April has 30 days.  The weekend is the 29th and 30th.    If this "from his desk in LA, Derek Taylor" announcement is on a Saturday.  (the 29th)  - how much "lead time" would be needed from submission (deadline) to print release of these press announcements?

And (courtesy of "Jeff" - from Badman) - session "ILTSDD" - on 5/16-18.  (I Love to say Da Da) - sounds like Mike.  

If there are Smile sessions when they come back, it does not make sense.    Just sayin.'  

Not sure but Taylor's column was titled:

OUR MAN IN AMERICA
DEREK TAYLOR
HOLLYWOOD TUESDAY

The article was in the May 6 1967 issue.

Maybe there are some photos or reports that show whether Taylor was in US or Europe/GB.  I'm guessing he was in the US planning Monterey Pop but that's because I haven't seen any evidence he was in GB as of yet.

[guitarfool2002]

Where was it said Taylor was in England? It would be foolish to say that (if it was said) since his column *actually* was headlined: BEACH BOYS fly in for a hot tour - and this is why there's no single to launch it..."

And the sub-heading reads as follows: "DEREK TAYLOR reporting from Hollywood as the Big Tour hits Britain"

Direct from the page in Disc & Music Echo May 6, 1967 issue where the Taylor article appeared.

Cam, I have no idea what you saw or where you're looking at to post that wording, but the actual page reads exactly as posted above.

And that is also why no mention was made that Taylor was with the band in the UK, when the actual page reads as it does.

Cam - Who ever said he was in England touring with the BB's? He was working in LA as a freelance music publicist and also working (alongside Michael Vosse, btw) in organizing Monterey Pop. He was work for hire.

Cam - Both NME and Disc & Music Echo were weekly UK music newspapers. If something happened in the music world, it would be reported in the next week's issue. Simple as that. There was no delay (for the big stuff...) beyond a week's time, like other weekly papers or mags.

[Micha]

And (courtesy of "Jeff" - from Badman) - session "ILTSDD" - on 5/16-18.  (I Love to say Da Da) - sounds like Mike.

I don't get this. What sounds like Mike?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Craig, you said "Mike tells Taylor in the UK". That's  Cam, and I, got it from.

[Micha]

Where was it said Taylor was in England?

I read this as such:

Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

The way you worded it sounds like implying they were both there. I still don't get why you insist Mike told Taylor the album was scrapped. How can you be sure of that?

Oh, AGD beat me to it. Still posting it because AGD couldn't provide the quote.

[guitarfool2002]

That's exactly what happened. That's how in the span of a week, it was reported that the album was being readied for rush promotion, 12 tracks ready. Then Mike tells Derek Taylor in the UK something different, and it's now "scrapped".

While its a logical assumption Mike broke the news, surely Derek Taylor would have confirmed with the mothership before dropping a bomb like that, no matter who told him x.

The idea that Brian was not consulted on, or even aware of, the "SCRAPPED" announcement is not a new one though.  It was certainly floated in Carlin's book.

Exactly. How you managed to see this while everyone else seems to have missed it over the past decade...that's their bag, I suppose.

Carlin's book...and other sources that have said this for over a decade. For all the researchers out there, everyone asking what is *my* source, perhaps dig a little deeper, search a little more, and it will turn up, whatever got put into print.

Carlin didn't name Mike at all as the source for Taylor's article, but as was said above, the "logical assumption" angle kicks in when you put it all together.

And re: the source thing. Can anyone disprove that Mike was the one working closest to Derek Taylor at this specific time, or was Derek getting his scoop from the UK and elsewhere from another Beach Boy who was on the road? At this time, it wasn't Carl...yet Derek had someone giving him the reports from the tour which he used for his column. It wasn't Brian - The word from him was that the album was going to be ready to go for rush promotion.

Then, basically a week later, Taylor's column which is written to report on and promote (and do old fashioned hype for) the Beach Boys UK tour (and does, with specific info about the jet they flew in having a sign reading "The Beach Boys and Igor") says that same album is scrapped?

Add it up and see what figures everyone else can come up with.

[guitarfool2002]

Talk about parsing words. How about "while Mike was in the UK"...or any variation...does that make it better? It never was said here that Taylor was in the UK with the band, so that can't be used to refute anything moving forward. Never said, never written.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm not parsing anything, just repeating exactly what you said, and the only logical reading is that both were in the UK at the time, unless you're backpedaling. More to the point... your source for Mike being the source, please ?

[Micha]

Can anyone disprove that Mike was the one working closest to Derek Taylor at this specific time

Where's the proof it wasn't Brian who Taylor worked closest with? I think it's more likely Taylor got the info from Brian, as they were in the same city, Taylor saying Brian "sealed it in a can".

What are you trying to prove anyway? That SMiLE was junked because Mike told Talor it was scrapped, while in fact Brian was still working on it?

It's pretty arrogant of you to say WE should "dig deeper" for something you might as well have made up.