Carol Kaye's BS

[NateRuvin]

Has anyone heard the things Carol Kaye has been saying about the Wrecking Crew, Brian Wilson, Jan & Dean, etc...

Why is she lying so much??? There are a lot of things that are up for speculation, but the things she has been saying are crazy!
 

[Emily]

Has anyone heard the things Carol Kaye has been saying about the Wrecking Crew, Brian Wilson, Jan & Dean, etc...

Why is she lying so much??? There are a lot of things that are up for speculation, but the things she has been saying are crazy!
 

New stuff - not the Love & Mercy hat bimbo stuff?
Do you have a link?

[joshferrell]

Has anyone heard the things Carol Kaye has been saying about the Wrecking Crew, Brian Wilson, Jan & Dean, etc...

Why is she lying so much??? There are a lot of things that are up for speculation, but the things she has been saying are crazy!
 

she's been doing this for awhile...do you have anything new? or is this just an overall question? 

[Rocky Raccoon]

AGD could write you an entire book about the subject.

[Andrew G. Doe]

What's she saying now, and where ?

[Aum Bop Diddit]

She was a tremendous musician who played on more great records than all us posters combined here I'm guessing.

[RangeRoverA1]

Methinks it is funny to critisize this lady whenever the subject comes up, whereas absolutely fine to defend rocky pamplin & ask other posters, "Don't run him off". She at least has some credentials as a musician. He's just a nobody; plain Joe as it were.

[Andrew G. Doe]

She was a tremendous musician who played on more great records than all us posters combined here I'm guessing.

She unquestionably did. It's the ones she didn't play on we find problematical.

[The Shift]

Methinks it is funny to critisize this lady whenever the subject comes up, whereas absolutely fine to defend rocky pamplin & ask other posters, "Don't run him off". She at least has some credentials as a musician. He's just a nobody; plain Joe as it were.

Well said. She's maybe stubborn but she's never f***ed Brian or the Boys over like Rocky.

[NateRuvin]

Yes, Kaye is an incredibly talented bassist and guitarist- that cannot be denied.

However, I was listening to this Hal Blaine interview, and let's just say he had some heated words for Carol. It's a great interview, but listen at around 13:15  to hear about Kaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0nDMASZoM

[Andrew G. Doe]

Methinks it is funny to critisize this lady whenever the subject comes up, whereas absolutely fine to defend rocky pamplin & ask other posters, "Don't run him off". She at least has some credentials as a musician. He's just a nobody; plain Joe as it were.

Well said. She's maybe stubborn but she's never f***ed Brian or the Boys over like Rocky.

Two words: James Jamerson.

[The LEGENDARY OSD]

Four words: Who gives a sh#t? 

[Marty Castillo]

Four words: Who gives a sh#t? 

Are you really saying who cares about the accurate history of the band? I guess we can shut down the board.

[Mike's Beard]

Please don't quote OSD, it means I still get to see his drivel. 

[The Shift]

Please don't quote OSD, it means I still get to see his drivel. 

I thought he'd stopped posting here!

[c-man]

Yes, Kaye is an incredibly talented bassist and guitarist- that cannot be denied.

However, I was listening to this Hal Blaine interview, and let's just say he had some heated words for Carol. It's a great interview, but listen at around 13:15  to hear about Kaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0nDMASZoM

Carol's a legendary musician, but as Hal put it, Carol's "become a saboteur". Hal even claims she wasn't an actual part of the WC, but rather an "augementer" who started as one of seven or so guitarists on the dates before being given a break by Phil, and someone who has gone on to take credit due not only to James Jamerson, but also to Ray Pohlman, as well as wreaking havoc among the survivors of Earl Palmer, that other bass players consider her a laughing stock, and that the courts are now tired of her BS. Hal spends a good 6 or 7 minutes on the topic of CK, and finishes by saying "That's our Carol - there's nothing you can do about it, but she's nuts."

[The Shift]

Understood Craig. Watching the Wrecking Crew documentary though I got a sense of unease,nth at CK was very much a "woman in a man's world", and detected an element of male chauvinism/bigotry/sexist bullshit undercurrent that gave me a new respect for her. She probably had to desktop a few extra inches of hide to cope with that, instead of quitting in tears. She might have become confused over exactly what sessions she played on, and for who, but listen to TSS (edit: just paused to remember who I'm responding to!! ), she's all over it. She might be nuts but she's earned the right to some respect and not just for her playing.

[Wirestone]

Yes, Kaye is an incredibly talented bassist and guitarist- that cannot be denied.

However, I was listening to this Hal Blaine interview, and let's just say he had some heated words for Carol. It's a great interview, but listen at around 13:15  to hear about Kaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0nDMASZoM

Carol's a legendary musician, but as Hal put it, Carol's "become a saboteur". Hal even claims she wasn't an actual part of the WC, but rather an "augementer" who started as one of seven or so guitarists on the dates before being given a break by Phil, and someone who has gone on to take credit due not only to James Jamerson, but also to Ray Pohlman, as well as wreaking havoc among the survivors of Earl Palmer, that other bass players consider her a laughing stock, and that the courts are now tired of her BS. Hal spends a good 6 or 7 minutes on the topic of CK, and finishes by saying "That's our Carol - there's nothing you can do about it, but she's nuts."

This is the ultimate problem. In her zeal to have session musicians recognized, Carol has ended up undermining then instead. It's a real shame.

[Andrew G. Doe]

Please don't quote OSD, it means I still get to see his drivel. 

I thought he'd stopped posting here!

(slips into a blissful reverie...)

[Andrew G. Doe]

Yes, Kaye is an incredibly talented bassist and guitarist- that cannot be denied.

However, I was listening to this Hal Blaine interview, and let's just say he had some heated words for Carol. It's a great interview, but listen at around 13:15  to hear about Kaye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=us0nDMASZoM

Carol's a legendary musician, but as Hal put it, Carol's "become a saboteur". Hal even claims she wasn't an actual part of the WC, but rather an "augementer" who started as one of seven or so guitarists on the dates before being given a break by Phil, and someone who has gone on to take credit due not only to James Jamerson, but also to Ray Pohlman, as well as wreaking havoc among the survivors of Earl Palmer, that other bass players consider her a laughing stock, and that the courts are now tired of her BS. Hal spends a good 6 or 7 minutes on the topic of CK, and finishes by saying "That's our Carol - there's nothing you can do about it, but she's nuts."

This is the ultimate problem. In her zeal to have session musicians recognized, Carl has ended up undermining then instead. It's a real shame.

Carol should be lauded for the many, many, many hits she played on, and the iconic TV themes... but her unquestionable achievements shouldn't afford her a free pass from lying about being on tracks she demonstrably wasn't. And she is lying, and worse, claiming the works of others as her own. That's indefensible.

[clack]

The Wrecking Crew are way overrated in the 1st place, especially as compared to the Muscle Shoals or Stax session guys, who actually wrote, arranged, and produced the records.

Who, besides Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Jim Gordon, and maybe Billy Strange, actually made important independent  contributions to the music of the day?

[c-man]

The Wrecking Crew are way overrated in the 1st place, especially as compared to the Muscle Shoals or Stax session guys, who actually wrote, arranged, and produced the records.

Who, besides Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Jim Gordon, and maybe Billy Strange, actually made important independent  contributions to the music of the day?

Al de Lory, by virtue of arranging Glen Campbell's early hits.

[Juice Brohnston]

As noted, an unquestionably important part of music history.  But for me, it's the window into her personality that reveals possible issues. And I get this strictly from her Facebook posts. Everybody is against her; The Wrecking Crew, the Banks, Politicians, even her own Facebook friends.

[AndrewHickey]

The Wrecking Crew are way overrated in the 1st place, especially as compared to the Muscle Shoals or Stax session guys, who actually wrote, arranged, and produced the records.

Who, besides Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Jim Gordon, and maybe Billy Strange, actually made important independent  contributions to the music of the day?

Mac Rebennack. Larry Knechtel won a Grammy for arranging. P.F. Sloan if you count him as a member of the Crew. Harold Battiste. Barney Kessel.
I'd also argue that Earl Palmer, while he didn't write or produce, was so important as a drummer that he matches the contribution of pretty much anyone.

[Andrew G. Doe]

The Wrecking Crew are way overrated in the 1st place, especially as compared to the Muscle Shoals or Stax session guys, who actually wrote, arranged, and produced the records.

Who, besides Leon Russell, Glen Campbell, Jim Gordon, and maybe Billy Strange, actually made important independent  contributions to the music of the day?

Al de Lory, by virtue of arranging Glen Campbell's early hits.

He produced "Wichita Lineman", which is one of my all time-top 10 songs.