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Author Topic: Let's complete the circle - release an un-Landy version of BRIAN WILSON  (Read 11740 times)
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« on: November 19, 2015, 06:18:53 AM »

My  wife and I just watched Love & Mercy last weekend and it's incredible.  Tonight I put on Brian's first solo album, and showed her it was produced by Landy - she'd never heard it before.  We put it on, and the songs are so great, it's just that the production is awful, so excessive 80's and with too much plastic synth and treble. 

So imagine that Brian goes back to the studio with the current band and they record and release an un-Landy version of BRIAN WILSON produced in the style of PET SOUNDS - wouldn't it be nice?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2015, 06:33:18 AM »

No. The album is what it is.

And the '80s sounds are not necessarily because of Landy. I'm sure Brian had quite a lot to do with it. If anything I've felt that Brian Wilson kinda ratches up the Love You sound and moved it into the '80s.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2015, 06:37:43 AM »

Nobody was immune to that production style in the late 80s. 

For proof, listen to anything from Roger Waters's 1987 album, Radio KAOS. 

Rather than re-recording BW88, and essentially covering himself yet again, how about a tour in 2018 to mark the 30th Anniversary where he and his band perform the album?
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 07:08:11 AM »

Love the production of BW88 as it is.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2015, 07:08:29 AM »

Landy didn't have anything to do with the production aspect other than his influence on Brian.  The album was mostly produced by Brian and Russ Titleman with co-production by Andy Paley on a few tracks and Lenny Waronker on "Rio Grande".  Jeff Lynne produced "Let It Shine".  The synth-heavy sound of the album had nothing to do with Brian's condition or Landy's influence, it's simply just a product of its time.
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2015, 07:53:02 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2015, 08:01:32 AM »

There's something to the idea of doing alternate versions of some of those songs in a less bombastic, 80s synth-heavy sound. The two '88 tracks on the IJWMFTT soundtrack are an example of that. I quite like the IJWMFTT tracks and their sound; just wish different backing vocals could be grafted on somehow.

Remakes might be interesting. Trying to make them sound like "Pet Sounds"-era productions would be weird, though. I'm actually not a big fan of when Brian tries to ape that '65/'66 sound. Sounds too contrived to me (sometimes). The plinky baritone guitars and excessive clinky percussion, sparse drums, etc. Not always a fan of when Brian does that now. Worked perfectly back in that actual 60s timeframe.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2015, 08:02:50 AM »

Let's complete the circle----re-release the un-remastered 1988 version of BRIAN WILSON. Grin
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2015, 08:53:48 AM »

It would indeed be nice - certainly something I've fantasized about - but probably a waste of time at the end of the day. I'd prefer more original material rather than another cover album.

Besides, I think the biggest problem with the album isn't the production (which does sound ugly in places, although I really rather like how grandiose the arrangements are, and you can forgive it as a product of its time), it's just that the material is kinda scattershot. If every song were as good as the first four, even with the same sound intact, we'd still have a stone cold classic.

I'm with sweetdudejim anyway really, it is what it is and I love it despite its flaws.
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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2015, 09:20:56 AM »

What I've never liked about the album was the way Brian's voice sounded at that time, the tone of his voice , his style of singing, whatever you want to call it. I know it's has been referred to as "shouty Brian". It was almost as if he forgot how to sing at that point. The beauty was gone from his voice.
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« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2015, 11:23:05 AM »

Brian was singing a lot better on that album than he had in a long time - just compare his vocals on BW88 with his work on 15BO or LY. The synths? Brian and the guys he was working with - including Gary Usher - were trying to bring him into the 80's. They tried it on BB85, and they try it on BW88. The goal was to have some hit records, get some radio airplay. If Brian had come out with an album in 1988 recorded the way PS was, the reviews would have been "well isn't this quaint, Brian is trying to recapture his past". It would have been a lot less commercial than what was released; that approach might have worked for a rockabilly or traditionalist band like Los Lobos or Marshall Crenshaw; wasn't going to work for Brian Wilson. Even bands that claimed a lot of influence from the 60's - the Bangles - ended up going the synth heavy route.
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« Reply #11 on: November 19, 2015, 11:58:57 AM »

Let's complete the circle - BDW should go back in the studio and rerecord Pet Sounds with acoustic guitars and pitch correction, just like it was originally envisioned.
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« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2015, 12:17:04 PM »

BW88 is great the way it is. I'm glad not every single BW solo record follows the same old Pet Sounds/Summer Days sound palette gone MOR or Adult Contemporary. That's why I also really like Orange Crate Art, despite its many flaws. It was different.
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2015, 12:27:22 PM »

Nobody was immune to that production style in the late 80s. 

For proof, listen to anything from Roger Waters's 1987 album, Radio KAOS. 

Rather than re-recording BW88, and essentially covering himself yet again, how about a tour in 2018 to mark the 30th Anniversary where he and his band perform the album?

Tom Waits was immune to the 80's production style (ex. swordfishtrombones and rain dogs)
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« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2015, 01:02:34 PM »

Nobody was immune to that production style in the late 80s. 

For proof, listen to anything from Roger Waters's 1987 album, Radio KAOS. 

Rather than re-recording BW88, and essentially covering himself yet again, how about a tour in 2018 to mark the 30th Anniversary where he and his band perform the album?

Tom Waits was immune to the 80's production style (ex. swordfishtrombones and rain dogs)

You're right, I shouldn't have said everybody went all in on 1980s production. 

AC/DC sure didn't. 

Depending on the band/artist, some are better at adapting to the 80s sound, and it doesn't sound so synthetic.  ie. Van Halen incorporated synths, but really just used them as an extension of their sound. 
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2015, 01:35:22 PM »

BW88 is great the way it is. I'm glad not every single BW solo record follows the same old Pet Sounds/Summer Days sound palette gone MOR or Adult Contemporary. That's why I also really like Orange Crate Art, despite its many flaws. It was different.

OCA should be re recorded if anything is.  Lovely songs but too many of them suffer from the "Mickey Mouse with a sore throat" effect.    Imagine the title cut resung by Brian in his current natural voice.    Much better.
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2015, 01:41:13 PM »

And the '80s sounds are not necessarily because of Landy. I'm sure Brian had quite a lot to do with it.

Totally agree...partly because it was the sound of the times.....and also because of what I was told in the mid-90s when I was lamenting opnline how it seems that the stuff Brian had been doing -- the '88 album, Sweet Insanity, the random tribute album contributions, etc. -- had been all synths, and how I wish that Brian would just once have actual instruments and musicians. Then-fan club president Lauri Klobas [RIP] said fat chance, that Brian liked using synths and other stuff because then he didn't have to hire extra musicians, he could just sequence everything himself and be done with it.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2015, 02:06:38 PM »

Nobody was immune to that production style in the late 80s. 

For proof, listen to anything from Roger Waters's 1987 album, Radio KAOS. 

Rather than re-recording BW88, and essentially covering himself yet again, how about a tour in 2018 to mark the 30th Anniversary where he and his band perform the album?

Tom Waits was immune to the 80's production style (ex. swordfishtrombones and rain dogs)

You're right, I shouldn't have said everybody went all in on 1980s production. 

AC/DC sure didn't. 

Depending on the band/artist, some are better at adapting to the 80s sound, and it doesn't sound so synthetic.  ie. Van Halen incorporated synths, but really just used them as an extension of their sound. 

AC/DC most definitely went 80s on Fly on the Wall and the new stuff on Who Made Who. Not many synths, obviously, but they've got the gated drums, vocals sounding like they were recorded in a cavern, and that big echoey, tinny sound.

Those records would have sounded better with different production choices, but Brian Wilson '88? That's perfect. I wouldn't change a thing.

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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2015, 04:26:09 PM »

I think pop artists, as opposed to hard rock, or roots artists, were expected to go the synth route in the 80s/90s. It's not like you were going to hear Johnny Cash or Rick Nelson recording with drum machines and synths, but I'm sure it seemed a natural direction for the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson to go.
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2015, 04:33:44 PM »

I think pop artists, as opposed to hard rock, or roots artists, were expected to go the synth route in the 80s/90s. It's not like you were going to hear Johnny Cash or Rick Nelson recording with drum machines and synths, but I'm sure it seemed a natural direction for the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson to go.
And of course what was then termed "alternative."
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« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2015, 07:53:49 PM »

Technically, isn't the released version the "un-Landy" version? Rumors abound of a Landy mix of the album that reportedly elicited laughter from people.
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« Reply #21 on: November 21, 2015, 02:23:30 AM »

True, dat.
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« Reply #22 on: November 21, 2015, 07:02:12 AM »

Aren't some of the Landy versions of songs on the Come Back Brian boot?
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« Reply #23 on: November 21, 2015, 12:04:08 PM »

I think pop artists, as opposed to hard rock, or roots artists, were expected to go the synth route in the 80s/90s. It's not like you were going to hear Johnny Cash or Rick Nelson recording with drum machines and synths, but I'm sure it seemed a natural direction for the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson to go.
And of course what was then termed "alternative."
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« Reply #24 on: November 21, 2015, 02:06:36 PM »

I think pop artists, as opposed to hard rock, or roots artists, were expected to go the synth route in the 80s/90s. It's not like you were going to hear Johnny Cash or Rick Nelson recording with drum machines and synths, but I'm sure it seemed a natural direction for the Beach Boys and Brian Wilson to go.
And of course what was then termed "alternative."
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