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« on: October 03, 2015, 08:01:08 AM »

For the fun of it, would you like to share the SMiLE mix/sequence you are presently using? I use the word "presently" because if you're like me, it continues to be a work in progress, oh, for about ten years now! Grin

I'm curious to see what you're starting with, ending with, what you're using for "The Elements" (if anything), if and where you're putting "Good Vibrations", what configuration of "Heroes And Villains" are you using, and what creative links you've come up with.

Feel free to simply list your mix, or if you'd like, explain your thoughts for the sequencing.

Through the course of the thread, I'd like to get opinions on:

- How Mark Linett's experimenting (in 1992?) with the "Intro To Heroes And Villains" eventually became the "Intro To Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" - and stuck!

- How the "Water Chant", composed/recorded during the Wild Honey Sessions, became part of SMiLE - and stuck!

- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

Look forward to your sequences and thoughts!
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« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2015, 09:45:38 AM »

Mine follows the lineup on the Smile Sessions Disc 1, but uses the version of "Surf's Up" from the album of the same name.

Your mileage may and probably will vary.


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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2015, 02:35:47 PM »

Mine follows the lineup on the Smile Sessions Disc 1, but uses the version of "Surf's Up" from the album of the same name.

Your mileage may and probably will vary.



Having listened to Surf's Up (the song) a lot more recently I find myself gravitating back to Carl's later vocal as well, don't get me wrong I love Brian's vocal but something about Carl singing it, as is the case with most things he sings, is something on an entire other level!
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2015, 02:42:20 PM »

My current mix opens with the first two "phrases" of Our Prayer ( 20/20 version ) into what I call " laughing Gee " followed by a home brew stereo version of DYLW ( part 1 ) then into H&V from sections portion of the SMiLE Sessions set.  The remaining "phrases" of Our Prayer are used, in order, throughout the entire mix as, like Brian said "an intro(s)".  The last phrase used was modified as a nod to the Beatles Revolver LP.  Wink  
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Part 2      https://youtu.be/Z5Y03Yldd8w
Part 3      https://youtu.be/10lsycE9t1k
Part 4      https://youtu.be/aYtjCZTBDWI
Part 5      https://youtu.be/7HTiVweBCv8
Part 6      https://youtu.be/DoFi59asxZ4
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2015, 05:35:35 PM »

My current mix opens with the first two "phrases" of Our Prayer ( 20/20 version ) into what I call " laughing Gee " followed by a home brew stereo version of DYLW ( part 1 ) then into H&V from sections portion of the SMiLE Sessions set.  The remaining "phrases" of Our Prayer are used, in order, throughout the entire mix as, like Brian said "an intro(s)".  The last phrase used was modified as a nod to the Beatles Revolver LP.  Wink  

If you have a minute, I'm curious to see the whole sequence/mix.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2015, 06:54:24 PM »

My current mix opens with the first two "phrases" of Our Prayer ( 20/20 version ) into what I call " laughing Gee " followed by a home brew stereo version of DYLW ( part 1 ) then into H&V from sections portion of the SMiLE Sessions set.  The remaining "phrases" of Our Prayer are used, in order, throughout the entire mix as, like Brian said "an intro(s)".  The last phrase used was modified as a nod to the Beatles Revolver LP.  Wink  

If you have a minute, I'm curious to see the whole sequence/mix.

Not sure if I can sum it up with a list.  I have spent about three years tinkering with my sequence or what I like to call it ...a re-vision.  There is a limited historical authenticity to this sequence.  I always wished Brian had more freedom to follow his vision.  No record company schedules...no budgets....no Mike...no format time restrictions...no pressure....no rules.  This was my approach.  I have created so many changes/edits/merges I cant describe them.  Surf's Up is the closer (kinda) and it uses four sources starting with the SMiLE session stereo backing track ( fiirst 16 bars ? ) then Carl's SU album version...then it segues into Brians '67 version starting at "Surf,s up, hmmm hmmm" then blends back with Carl's version at "a childrens soooong" and finishes with "a child" from BWPS layed on top.


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Part 2      https://youtu.be/Z5Y03Yldd8w
Part 3      https://youtu.be/10lsycE9t1k
Part 4      https://youtu.be/aYtjCZTBDWI
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2015, 07:30:49 PM »

I always thought Carol's comment about 'after the fire' was kind of off the cuff.
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2015, 09:16:00 PM »

For the fun of it, would you like to share the SMiLE mix/sequence you are presently using? I use the word "presently" because if you're like me, it continues to be a work in progress, oh, for about ten years now! Grin

I'm curious to see what you're starting with, ending with, what you're using for "The Elements" (if anything), if and where you're putting "Good Vibrations", what configuration of "Heroes And Villains" are you using, and what creative links you've come up with.

Feel free to simply list your mix, or if you'd like, explain your thoughts for the sequencing.

Through the course of the thread, I'd like to get opinions on:

- How Mark Linett's experimenting (in 1992?) with the "Intro To Heroes And Villains" eventually became the "Intro To Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" - and stuck!

- How the "Water Chant", composed/recorded during the Wild Honey Sessions, became part of SMiLE - and stuck!

- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

Look forward to your sequences and thoughts!

After a lot of years I've gotten to a place where I am satisfied with my sequencing. Until something new is unearthed (I believe in my heart there is more to come) I feel like this is Smile for me (all stereo):

Side 1
(Prayer)
1)Worms (with insert of Holidays a la BWPS' On A Holiday)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWCh80PqEes
goes right into
2)H&V (a 5:46 Cantina version)
(George Fell Into His French Horn)
3)Surf's Up (without CIFOTM ending)
4)Good Vibrations (a 5:28 extended fan-mix)
5)Cabin Essence

Side 2
(He Gives Speeches)
1)Wonderful
goes right into
2)CIFOTM comprised of Look(seltaeb's edit with vocals)/CIFOTM
3)Wind Chimes (with Whispering Winds fade)
4)The Elements comprised of LTSD Second Day-Air/Mrs, O'Leary-Fire (no H&V intro)/LTSD-Water (no chant)/IWBA & Workshop- Earth    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JYwBNIPRAQ
(Brian Falls Into A Piano)
5)Vege-Tables
(H&V Reprise)
6)IIGS comprised of IIGS/Barnyard/IIGS/Do A Lot (with whistling)/IIGS/With Me Tonight
goes right into
7)The Old Master Painter comprised of TOMP/YWMS (with fan-mix background vocals added)/My Children Were Raised/Barnshine

It runs about 57 minutes.
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2015, 09:17:56 PM »

BWPS works for me. Cool Guy
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2015, 09:40:35 PM »

- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

I don't know if I've ever bought that as gospel, I've always felt that was stated in jest, more anecdotal than factual.  As in, this was the first session on 11/29/66 after recording "Fire" the previous day on 11/28/66.  So it's not literally The Element that is following Fire, but it is humorously, the unusual activity they did in the studio following a different unusual activity.  You can even hear Carol say on the session tapes, after jamming on the jazz riff: "Yeah man... what happens after the fire!"  (it's 1:45 into the track on TSS)
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2015, 10:21:29 PM »

- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

I don't know if I've ever bought that as gospel, I've always felt that was stated in jest, more anecdotal than factual.  As in, this was the first session on 11/29/66 after recording "Fire" the previous day on 11/28/66.  So it's not literally The Element that is following Fire, but it is humorously, the unusual activity they did in the studio following a different unusual activity.  You can even hear Carol say on the session tapes, after jamming on the jazz riff: "Yeah man... what happens after the fire!"  (it's 1:45 into the track on TSS)

IWBA/Friday Night works for me as a good possible suspect for what the Earth element might have been, so I accept the quote, but you do have to consider the source. As for why it's not universally used after 'Fire', when it comes to Smile, there's a lot a fans who want to follow their own path. It's a unique situation because of Smile's shroud of mystery for so many years- we feel free to make up our own version of Smile based on personal taste.
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2015, 11:28:02 PM »

Great thread!

Mine's what I call the "Dec '66 (hypothetical) Conception" mix.  Twelve tracks from 'the memo', no repeated motifs. All in mono, using wherever possible only '66 recordings and, with a couple of exceptions, structures taken from BW test dubs and mixes. Tracks 1-3, 5-7 (Side A) and 2-5 (Side B) are 'unbanded', each track colliding into the next without fades or silences. (On Side B these selections are bridged by excerpts from the 'Pycodelic Sounds' chants.)

SIDE A
1. Do You Like Worms (3.29)
2. Heroes and Villians (2.51) (V1/Acapella V/Cantina/"Bag of Tricks"/"Children were raised"/"Stand or Fall")
3. I'm in Great Shape (2.17) (IWBA/WS/IIGS/BY)
4. Cabin Essence (3.31)
5. Wonderful (2.54) (inc. He Gives Speeches as insert)
6. Child is Father of the Man (BW test edit with extra repeat of final chorus, 2.52)
7. The Old Master Painter (1.54)

SIDE B
1. Good Vibrations (3.33)
2. The Elements: Fire (2.01)
3. Vega-Tables (1.57) (Psycodelic Sounds "Veggies Chant" excerpt/VT "Demo"/"Air Chant" excerpt)
4. Wind Chimes (2.41) (V/C/Piano bridge/"Underwater Chant" excerpt)
5. Surf's Up (3.43) (original "Demo" ending)
6. Prayer (1.06)

Total time 35:16 - only major missing '66 tracking sections are "Look", "Holidays" and "You're Welcome", "H&V Intro" (re-made in '67 as "Bag of Tricks"/"Fire Intro"), CFOTM original bridge section and "All Day".
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2015, 11:31:21 PM »

About a year ago I had the idea to try and replicate a 1966 version of Smile, but I didn't get past an initial mix before I figured out (with the help of some here) that a true mix would leave quite a few holes unfilled, such as most of "Heroes & Villains" and "Vega Tables". So I blew that concept up and decided to take some of my ideas (mainly the decision to follow the Hand-Written Track List) and made a new version from scratch that I put up on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqQJAyhO_lI&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12gclmy3qercx4b404cddjx2qqlednoiew

Basically it still follows the HWTL, but I took a couple of liberties by grafting in "Prayer" as part of "Do You Like Worms" and "Barnyard" as part of "I'm in Great Shape". My Elements are Fire > I Wanna Be Around > Holidays > Dada, and I utilized Brian's lead on "Surf's Up". I decided to exclude "Look" because without vocals it just seemed too unfinished and too hard to fit in.

The basic concept is two side-long suites, which is how I think it would have been released had it seen the light of day in 1967. I also worked in some of the many spoken-word segments from Brian's tapes to try to balance out some of the long instrumental segments. I do believe Brian would have incorporated spoken word in some fashion had he finished the album at that time, similar to the bridge on the Smiley "Wonderful". Smile was supposed to be avant garde, so I tried to respect that aesthetic with my latest mix.

Anyway hope you guys can dig it. Talking Smile mixes never gets old for me.
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2015, 04:50:22 AM »

About a year ago I had the idea to try and replicate a 1966 version of Smile, but I didn't get past an initial mix before I figured out (with the help of some here) that a true mix would leave quite a few holes unfilled, such as most of "Heroes & Villains" and "Vega Tables". So I blew that concept up and decided to take some of my ideas (mainly the decision to follow the Hand-Written Track List) and made a new version from scratch that I put up on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqQJAyhO_lI&feature=gp-n-y&google_comment_id=z12gclmy3qercx4b404cddjx2qqlednoiew

Basically it still follows the HWTL, but I took a couple of liberties by grafting in "Prayer" as part of "Do You Like Worms" and "Barnyard" as part of "I'm in Great Shape". My Elements are Fire > I Wanna Be Around > Holidays > Dada, and I utilized Brian's lead on "Surf's Up". I decided to exclude "Look" because without vocals it just seemed too unfinished and too hard to fit in.

The basic concept is two side-long suites, which is how I think it would have been released had it seen the light of day in 1967. I also worked in some of the many spoken-word segments from Brian's tapes to try to balance out some of the long instrumental segments. I do believe Brian would have incorporated spoken word in some fashion had he finished the album at that time, similar to the bridge on the Smiley "Wonderful". Smile was supposed to be avant garde, so I tried to respect that aesthetic with my latest mix.

Anyway hope you guys can dig it. Talking Smile mixes never gets old for me.

Excellent work !!!  Truly outside the box....Brian would dig it.   I agree with the spoken word thought.  I also tend to think Brian secretly .... maybe subconsciously is a better word, continued work on SMiLE for some time....ie Little Pad...The Old Master Painter.....Cool,Cool Water etc.   I need to upload my mix...I suppose YouTube is the best option ?  Soundcloud sent me a nasty letter about my DYLW stereo edit and I removed it fearing litigation.
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Part 2      https://youtu.be/Z5Y03Yldd8w
Part 3      https://youtu.be/10lsycE9t1k
Part 4      https://youtu.be/aYtjCZTBDWI
Part 5      https://youtu.be/7HTiVweBCv8
Part 6      https://youtu.be/DoFi59asxZ4
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2015, 05:34:56 AM »

- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

I don't know if I've ever bought that as gospel, I've always felt that was stated in jest, more anecdotal than factual.  As in, this was the first session on 11/29/66 after recording "Fire" the previous day on 11/28/66.  So it's not literally The Element that is following Fire, but it is humorously, the unusual activity they did in the studio following a different unusual activity.  You can even hear Carol say on the session tapes, after jamming on the jazz riff: "Yeah man... what happens after the fire!"  (it's 1:45 into the track on TSS)

IWBA/Friday Night works for me as a good possible suspect for what the Earth element might have been, so I accept the quote, but you do have to consider the source. As for why it's not universally used after 'Fire', when it comes to Smile, there's a lot a fans who want to follow their own path. It's a unique situation because of Smile's shroud of mystery for so many years- we feel free to make up our own version of Smile based on personal taste.

Good points, soniclovenoize and krabklaw. Sometimes I get too hung up in trying to sequence according to lyrics/concepts, and with SMiLE that is difficult (impossible?) and I'll shoehorn a track in that probably historically never would've gone there. "Workshop" is an example of this.

What did Brian intend "Workshop" for? Why doesn't he just tell us?! Grin Seriously, I think it meant one of three things, A) the building of the "home on the range", B) the rebuilding of the barn after the fire, or C) building the cart to "cart off and sell my vegetables". And that's how I've sequenced it for years, Workshop into Vegetables but both after Cabinessence. That way "Workshop" can serve as either the building of the house OR the building of the vegetable cart. But, I gotta admit, it's tempting to put "Workshop" after that damn fire and then go off and sell the vegetables.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2015, 07:59:41 AM »

Good points, soniclovenoize and krabklaw. Sometimes I get too hung up in trying to sequence according to lyrics/concepts, and with SMiLE that is difficult (impossible?) and I'll shoehorn a track in that probably historically never would've gone there. "Workshop" is an example of this.

What did Brian intend "Workshop" for? Why doesn't he just tell us?! Grin Seriously, I think it meant one of three things, A) the building of the "home on the range", B) the rebuilding of the barn after the fire, or C) building the cart to "cart off and sell my vegetables". And that's how I've sequenced it for years, Workshop into Vegetables but both after Cabinessence. That way "Workshop" can serve as either the building of the house OR the building of the vegetable cart. But, I gotta admit, it's tempting to put "Workshop" after that damn fire and then go off and sell the vegetables.

Well, it was marked "Great Shape" on the tape box...  It could be a self-contained track that doesn't reference building anything but itself. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2015, 11:22:53 AM »

My go-to fanmix that I've been listening to for a few years follows the BWPS/TSS lineup, only using the best possible stereo mixes on all tracks.  That sequence just seems "correct" to me since I've heard it officially for so many years, and it's pretty much burned into my brain.

However......

Recently I've been listening to that fanmix with Surf's Up and Good Vibes switched (which was the original theory, right?).  And it seems to make more sense to me.  GV might seem a little jarring right in the middle, but it actually worked once I tried it.  Being immediately after Song For Children/CIFOTM there seems to be more of a connection with the GV ending phrase (you know the one I'm talking about). 

But ending SMiLE with Surf's Up just seems right.  There's a real poignancy to it, and I've always loved, I mean LOVED that grand  "children's song" ending.  There just shouldn't be anything after that!
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2015, 01:42:13 PM »

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Through the course of the thread, I'd like to get opinions on:

- How Mark Linett's experimenting (in 1992?) with the "Intro To Heroes And Villains" eventually became the "Intro To Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" - and stuck!

My understanding has always been that it was just that (though I believe the year these mixes were made, for a potential SMiLE release, was 1988. This work was then used later for the GV box) - Linett put the two pieces together, possibly just to build up the fairly brief "Fire" (then one of the most famous and mythical pieces of the album) and, because it worked, the "intro" just kind of stayed there. Certainly no personal testimony has ever claimed it was originally intended to be part of "Fire"; the tape notations clearly show it to be for H&V and recorded in an H&V session; and in fact it's a more involved remake ("Bells and whistles" indeed!) of the 1966 "H&V (intro)".

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- How the "Water Chant", composed/recorded during the Wild Honey Sessions, became part of SMiLE - and stuck!

Again, a similar deal, although - and I might be wrong here - it was fan-sequencers (Priore? Propoky?) who forged this particular connection.

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- Supposedly Carol Kaye said that "Workshop" was intended as the re-building of the barn after the fire. Not to get into Carol's reputation for historical inaccuracies, but, if she said that, she had to hear it somewhere from somebody. If she did hear it/say it, then why wasn't/isn't "Workshop" universally used AFTER "Fire" as a re-building song?

The '69 Fusion article has Vosse talking about the workshop sounds at least in connection with Barnyard/YAMS, possibly implying it was conceived as part of the "Barnyarde suite"/Americana side of things. The tape box notation "Great Shape" backs this up as well. As regards the Kaye comment, there's an obvious reading of her comment I'm surprised doesn't get brought up more - the "IWBA/Jazz" recording was the very next Wrecking Crew session to follow "Fire" (on the 28th and 29th of Nov respectively). So, from a point of view of one of the musical participants - and not necessarily somebody "in the loop" conceptually - "rebuilding after the fire" would be exactly what that session felt like.

My two cents on the above points, anyway.
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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2015, 01:47:18 PM »


Excellent work !!!  Truly outside the box....Brian would dig it.   I agree with the spoken word thought.  I also tend to think Brian secretly .... maybe subconsciously is a better word, continued work on SMiLE for some time....ie Little Pad...The Old Master Painter.....Cool,Cool Water etc.   I need to upload my mix...I suppose YouTube is the best option ?  Soundcloud sent me a nasty letter about my DYLW stereo edit and I removed it fearing litigation.

Thanks for your kind words. In my experience YouTube is definitely the best way to go if you want to share your mix. SoundCloud has some sort of copyright scanning algorithm as you indicated (I've gotten dinged in the past by them too), and filehosting sites like Sendspace have been known to trigger warnings from peoples' anti-malware software. Nothing better than trying to share your mix, only to have potential listeners yell at you for trying to give them a "virus".  Shocked

I definitely agree that there's a post-Smile Smile to be compiled from the albums that followed it. If you take the Smiley Smile remakes and add stuff like Cool Cool Water, Been Way Too Long, Diamond Head and the Surf's Up piano remake it actually flows really nicely. I'd be curious to hear what you come up with.
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2015, 01:55:39 PM »


The '69 Fusion article has Vosse talking about the workshop sounds at least in connection with Barnyard/YAMS, possibly implying it was conceived as part of the "Barnyarde suite"/Americana side of things. The tape box notation "Great Shape" backs this up as well. As regards the Kaye comment, there's an obvious reading of her comment I'm surprised doesn't get brought up more - the "IWBA/Jazz" recording was the very next Wrecking Crew session to follow "Fire" (on the 28th and 29th of Nov respectively). So, from a point of view of one of the musical participants - and not necessarily somebody "in the loop" conceptually - "rebuilding after the fire" would be exactly what that session felt like.

My two cents on the above points, anyway.


Excellent points all around. I largely agree with everything you say, but I was curious about the bolded section, as I've never seen that referenced before. Are you saying that the tape for "I Wanna Be Around" or "Workshop" is labelled as "Great Shape"? That's actually a pretty big revelation if I'm understanding you correctly.
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« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2015, 04:23:55 PM »


The '69 Fusion article has Vosse talking about the workshop sounds at least in connection with Barnyard/YAMS, possibly implying it was conceived as part of the "Barnyarde suite"/Americana side of things. The tape box notation "Great Shape" backs this up as well. As regards the Kaye comment, there's an obvious reading of her comment I'm surprised doesn't get brought up more - the "IWBA/Jazz" recording was the very next Wrecking Crew session to follow "Fire" (on the 28th and 29th of Nov respectively). So, from a point of view of one of the musical participants - and not necessarily somebody "in the loop" conceptually - "rebuilding after the fire" would be exactly what that session felt like.

My two cents on the above points, anyway.


Excellent points all around. I largely agree with everything you say, but I was curious about the bolded section, as I've never seen that referenced before. Are you saying that the tape for "I Wanna Be Around" or "Workshop" is labelled as "Great Shape"? That's actually a pretty big revelation if I'm understanding you correctly.

That could have been mislabeled given the similarity of the two titles (both beginning with the word 'I'). Not much of a strech given the confusion of the project.
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« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2015, 04:44:19 PM »

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Through the course of the thread, I'd like to get opinions on:

- How Mark Linett's experimenting (in 1992?) with the "Intro To Heroes And Villains" eventually became the "Intro To Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" - and stuck!

My understanding has always been that it was just that (though I believe the year these mixes were made, for a potential SMiLE release, was 1988. This work was then used later for the GV box) - Linett put the two pieces together, possibly just to build up the fairly brief "Fire" (then one of the most famous and mythical pieces of the album) and, because it worked, the "intro" just kind of stayed there. Certainly no personal testimony has ever claimed it was originally intended to be part of "Fire"; the tape notations clearly show it to be for H&V and recorded in an H&V session; and in fact it's a more involved remake ("Bells and whistles" indeed!) of the 1966 "H&V (intro)".

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- How the "Water Chant", composed/recorded during the Wild Honey Sessions, became part of SMiLE - and stuck!

Again, a similar deal, although - and I might be wrong here - it was fan-sequencers (Priore? Propoky?) who forged this particular connection.

I agree with you on those ^ points, but what does that tell us going forward? Both the "Intro To Mrs. O'Leary's Cow" (previously known as "Intro To Heroes And Villains") and the selection of "The Water Chant" (taken from the Wild Honey sessions) were "thought up" by individuals compiling fan mixes. And, I mean no offense to the talent of Mark Linett, but that's what he did for the 1993 Good Vibrations boxed set, and that's what whoever did who placed "The Water Chant" after "Mrs. O'Leary's Cow". They were fan mixes.

Darian Sahanaja must've been impressed by these two placements because he adopted them in 2004, and Mark Linett with Alan Boyd followed suit again in 2011. Darian could've changed it in 2004 and Mark and Alan could've changed it in 2011 - but they didn't. I'm getting to the point.

The point is - anything goes. When we are looking at somebody's fan mix and we're tempted to think or say, "No, that would never go there...", well, you never know. Anything goes. A lot of people viewed BWPS as the real deal and a lot of people will view CD 1 of The Smile Sessions as the definitive version. Says who? To quote the late, great Jim Morrison, "There are no rules!"
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2015, 05:34:14 PM »

I've been tinkering with a version of Heroes and Villains today. It starts with some studio chatter, segues into Prayer, then launches into the verse of H&V.

I use bits from the psychedelic sounds boot, Pet Sounds Sessions (overdubbed some vocals over You Were My Sunshine), the ice-cream truck piano 'Good Vibrations' tune overdubbed with the 'Brian got stuck in the piano' skit, a radio station promo over Workshop, even the count-in audio from Mona Kani. There's a lot of audio tweaking in the mix, a lot of reverb and effects (best listened to with headphones). I wasn't going for a historically accurate mix, it was mostly inspired by the Atticus Ross Love and Mercy score.

It clocks in at 6:20 seconds. A glaring omission being the Heroes and Villains chorus...I'm not the biggest fan of the chorus, so I instead went straight from the verse to the Cantina section.
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2015, 07:12:41 PM »

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I agree with you on those ^ points, but what does that tell us going forward?

Sorry, SJS - I think I just got what you meant in your initial post! Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it - several pieces of fan-mixing have now become enshrined in SMiLE lore and, indeed, endorsed as actual "SMiLE" sequencing through their inclusion in BWPS and subsequently, TSS. I guess the real question here is one of "authenticity". Does these decisions being taken so long after the initial sessions mean they fall outside the "window of credibility"? Or has their common adoption by both fans and the music's creators in the last thirty years mean they're as much a part of "what we know about SMiLE" as a '66 "Cabin Essence" assembly edit?

The problem is, it's hard to see how to explore that question without going back down the "Does BWPS = SMiLE" road, which has been well-travelled on these boards. Or else one just has to conclude that every sequence is equally valid, each edit theoretically viable. Or, as you put it:

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The point is - anything goes. When we are looking at somebody's fan mix and we're tempted to think or say, "No, that would never go there...", well, you never know. Anything goes. A lot of people viewed BWPS as the real deal and a lot of people will view CD 1 of The Smile Sessions as the definitive version. Says who? To quote the late, great Jim Morrison, "There are no rules!"

I'm quite envious actually of those that are open enough to operate like that. All my work on a mix (see my first post in this thread) has been, rather boringly, on the basis that there was at one point (October '66-ish) an actual SMiLE, not finished or finally sequenced perhaps, but largely tracked, tracklisted and (Vosse) "totally conceived". I concede of course that I might be entirely wrong on this, but all my reading on the subject (period interviews, the sessionography, contemporary press) suggests to me it's a better historical assumption to proceed upon than the alternative.

It's also, I suspect, a lot less fun!
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2015, 07:21:55 PM »

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That could have been mislabeled given the similarity of the two titles (both beginning with the word 'I'). Not much of a strech given the confusion of the project.

True, but the notation on the session log - not the tape box, sorry, I was mistaken there - is (Great Shape), no beginning "I". What's more, for the two titles to be confused as you suggest, whoever marked the box would have had to not only remember the title of a short instrumental section recorded almost exactly a month before (as part of a session for a different song entirely), but not recognise either the title or melody of an extremely well-known - at the time - popular song standard. This is, of course, possible, but is it not more likely that the session's producer mentioned that this was to be a section (?) of a track with "Great Shape" in the name?
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