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« on: September 12, 2015, 12:37:02 AM »

When I first got into the BBs, it was the 1967-1971 era that hooked me at first. Then I started working backwards through the earlier stuff via the two-for-one CDs.
I would have got them in an order something like this (I already had Pet Sounds since I was a kid).

Smiley Smile/Wild Honey
Friends/20 20
Sunflower/Surf's Up
Today/Summer Days
Little Deuce Coupe/All Summer Long
Surfer Girl/Shut Down vol. II


For a long while I reckoned they were all I needed.
An early UK compilation I had represented the post- 1971 era with "Rock and Roll Music", "Lady Lynda" and "Kokomo", all of which I hated. So I started with the assumption that it was all downhill from 1971. (Even Surf's Up I considered only half a great album, and probably where the rot first set in.)

At length I heard Carl and the Passions, Holland and Love You and was unimpressed. I made illegal copies of the five songs I didn't mind on CATP (not the Flame tracks or "He Come Down") but only really listened to the anomalous "All This Is That" and occasionally "Mess Of Help". Holland I just didn't get. Post-Holland I thought was territory only superfans blinded by devotion would dare tread. i had two friends who loved the Beach Boys who were in a '70s phase and mostly listened to and talked about '70s and '80s Beach Boys and I was sure they were doing it ironically, and because they had already played the good stuff to death. We listened to Love You in a car journey once (I was a semi-reluctant listener) and they were laughing AT the lyrics and production, not WITH them. Another friend sent me a link to an illegal download of Adult Child. I think I listened to a couple of tracks before deleting it, afeared it would take up too much room on my computer.

The attitude I had was, This '63-'71 period is near-perfect, why would I dilute or taint my Beach Boys collection with inferior material? I wanted to have a sound picture in my mind of unqualified wonderment. I was also worried that pursuing their records further was a slippery slope, that i wouldn't stop at the '70s, I would go onto the '80s, and because I was such a fan I would eventually convince myself that the stuff was good, and be one of those annoying superfans who can't have a conversation about the band with a normal person because you've abandoned all critical discrimination.

Of course, I caved. With the advent of Spotify I could listen to M.I.U. without even the hassle of going to borrow it off my friend, and I realised how narrow-minded and prejudiced I'd been. Although that is the last Beach Boys album I like until TWGMTR.

Does this strike a chord with anyone?
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« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2015, 12:58:02 AM »

I'd say 63-73 is the essential Beach Boys period. Things were never the same after that but there's still plenty of good stuff post Holland mixed in with the dross.The only two albums I've never bothered buying are Stars & Stripes and That's Why God Made the Radio.
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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2015, 05:00:13 AM »

The attitude I had was, This '63-'71 period is near-perfect, why would I dilute or taint my Beach Boys collection with inferior material? I wanted to have a sound picture in my mind of unqualified wonderment. I was also worried that pursuing their records further was a slippery slope, that i wouldn't stop at the '70s, I would go onto the '80s, and because I was such a fan I would eventually convince myself that the stuff was good, and be one of those annoying superfans who can't have a conversation about the band with a normal person because you've abandoned all critical discrimination.

Of course, I caved. With the advent of Spotify I could listen to M.I.U. without even the hassle of going to borrow it off my friend, and I realised how narrow-minded and prejudiced I'd been. Although that is the last Beach Boys album I like until TWGMTR.

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This sounds 100% like me. I haven't wanted to venture past '77... I still don't have any of the albums between Love You and TWGMTR.

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2015, 09:29:26 AM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.
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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2015, 10:50:49 AM »


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This sounds 100% like me. I haven't wanted to venture past '77... I still don't have any of the albums between Love You and TWGMTR.
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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2015, 11:51:55 AM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.
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« Reply #6 on: September 12, 2015, 12:35:59 PM »

If you don't want to listen to anything after a certain era, that's your choice, sure...and you'd also be bloody ignorant on top of it because you'd be missing a lot of righteous music.
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« Reply #7 on: September 12, 2015, 01:14:50 PM »

Actually, I can't think of a BB's album that doesn't have at least a few interesting tracks on them.  And nearly all of them are at least good, if approached with an open mind.  Even SIP has some good tunes on it.  Ok, I'm not too crazy about Stars and Stripes, but that is the only really lame release and were they even really trying by then?  Even an album like MIU has its charming moments, goofy lyrics, moments of music that could only have come from our favorite band, for good or for ill.  Heck, on some days I even like Winds of Change, depending on my mood.  Not too big on the '85 album either, but if I get in an eighties mood....
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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2015, 01:20:05 PM »

I'd say 63-73 is the essential Beach Boys period. Things were never the same after that but there's still plenty of good stuff post Holland mixed in with the dross.The only two albums I've never bothered buying are Stars & Stripes and That's Why God Made the Radio.
I finally bought S&S - on cassette at a thrift store. haven't played it, though.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2015, 01:20:15 PM »

I would eventually convince myself that the stuff was good, and be one of those annoying superfans who can't have a conversation about the band with a normal person because you've abandoned all critical discrimination.

Do these people actually exist, though, in BB fandom?  From what I've seen on forums, folk seem to have a pretty clear-headed view of the later years, accepting that there's a long, slow decline, but some worthwhile tunes to be found here and there.
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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2015, 04:57:04 PM »

Does this strike a chord with anyone?

A familiar story.

It took me a while to get used to the fact that, say, "Make It Big" was credited to the same band that recorded "Don't Worry, Baby". Years. I've always liked "Make It Big"----at first I didn't know it was The Beach Boys. When I found that out it became a bit of a problem, lol. But I got there in the end. 
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« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2015, 05:18:15 PM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.

Uh, yes it is. Labeling it as obligatory filler would be far too generous and complimentary for something as insipidly boring as that particular attempt at a song.
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« Reply #12 on: September 12, 2015, 05:43:58 PM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.

Yeah it's a pretty rotten song but it's still better than
Spring Vacation
Private Life of Bill & Sue
Beaches in Mind
and (shudder) Shelter.
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« Reply #13 on: September 12, 2015, 06:13:57 PM »

I would eventually convince myself that the stuff was good, and be one of those annoying superfans who can't have a conversation about the band with a normal person because you've abandoned all critical discrimination.

Do these people actually exist, though, in BB fandom?  From what I've seen on forums, folk seem to have a pretty clear-headed view of the later years, accepting that there's a long, slow decline, but some worthwhile tunes to be found here and there.

I never read BBs forums in those days. I was more thinking about people I knew in real life, or who I imagined to exist.
Actually you'd be hard pressed to get filledeplage to criticize anything the Beach Boys have done.

Re: Daybreak... I agree with OSD that it's easily the worst song on the album. I can't bear to listen to it.
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« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2015, 06:14:09 PM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.

Yeah it's a pretty rotten song but it's still better than
Spring Vacation
Private Life of Bill & Sue
Beaches in Mind
and (shudder) Shelter.

Well, then shudder away. PLOBAS and Shelter are two fine songs that never get the "skip" option.  BIM and SV are passable but DOTO is a total misfit. If anything, it would fit far better on any of myKe's wonderful Shocked solo outings.
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« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2015, 06:23:23 PM »

I would have to be willing to part money to own them in the first place to engage the 'skip' option.
Shelter; Jeff Foskett featuring The Beach Boys.....
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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2015, 06:46:25 PM »

I don't think that's uncommon for a big fan of any long-living musical act.  You listen to the best and most famous material hundreds of times and while you still love it, you get just a little bit tired of it and you start to dig deeper to find something to love in the less remembered songs and albums.  The Beach Boys are a group just full of forgotten gems.
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« Reply #17 on: September 12, 2015, 07:43:36 PM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.

Uh, yes it is. Labeling it as obligatory filler would be far too generous and complimentary for something as insipidly boring as that particular attempt at a song.

I met the band in 2012 and they told me "Beaches In Mind" was specifically written for a Viagra commercial. Don't tell anyone else, though.
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« Reply #18 on: September 12, 2015, 08:02:22 PM »

Yeah it's a pretty rotten song but it's still better than
Spring Vacation
Private Life of Bill & Sue
Beaches in Mind
and (shudder) Shelter.

Yeah, those are some dire ones.
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« Reply #19 on: September 12, 2015, 08:09:24 PM »

I'd say 63-73 is the essential Beach Boys period. Things were never the same after that but there's still plenty of good stuff post Holland mixed in with the dross.The only two albums I've never bothered buying are Stars & Stripes and That's Why God Made the Radio.

 So, you bought SIP but not TWGMTR ?
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« Reply #20 on: September 12, 2015, 08:12:52 PM »

With the exception of the vapid crooning and inane lyrics of DOTO, TWGMTR would seem to be a natural fit for any BB collection if only for the last three tracks.

"Daybreak" isn't even the worst song on the album.

Yeah it's a pretty rotten song but it's still better than
Spring Vacation
Private Life of Bill & Sue
Beaches in Mind
and (shudder) Shelter.

  I like "Spring Vacation." "Daybreak" is not wretched. "Beaches in Mind" kind of blows.
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« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2015, 12:23:54 AM »

I'd say 63-73 is the essential Beach Boys period. Things were never the same after that but there's still plenty of good stuff post Holland mixed in with the dross.The only two albums I've never bothered buying are Stars & Stripes and That's Why God Made the Radio.

 So, you bought SIP but not TWGMTR ?

Yep. The only song I really liked off TWGMTR was the title track, so I just bought the download for that.
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« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2015, 02:52:32 AM »

Shelter's okay.  I guess they used Foskett so the chorus is in a falsetto.  Nothing wrong with that on a Beach Boys song, and who else is gonna sing it?

Daybreak's great.  Best, most Beach Boysy song on the album.
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« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2015, 03:50:37 AM »

I'd say 63-73 is the essential Beach Boys period. Things were never the same after that but there's still plenty of good stuff post Holland mixed in with the dross.The only two albums I've never bothered buying are Stars & Stripes and That's Why God Made the Radio.

 So, you bought SIP but not TWGMTR ?

Yep. The only song I really liked off TWGMTR was the title track, so I just bought the download for that.

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This sounds 100% like me. I haven't wanted to venture past '77... I still don't have any of the albums between Love You and TWGMTR.

Pacific Ocean Blue ??
POB plus Brian's earlier solo outings are very much on my list to get in the future, with POB in the #1 slot in fact. I like knowing there is still great BBs (related) music I haven't heard yet!

Just for completeness/curiosity's sake I'll probably finish the rest of the 70s BB albums at some point. I have faith that I'll enjoy a handful of songs at least, even if the albums overall may not do it for me.

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