Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 and smile box set

[The_Beach]

Do any of you guys know what is on the Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 The Smile Sessions that isnt on the Smile sessions box set? Thanks

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Do any of you guys know what is on the Beach Boys Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 The Smile Sessions that isnt on the Smile sessions box set? Thanks

someone else can answer this better, but in general, the studio chatter gets vastly abridged on the boxset. Lots of takes are shortened to just one or two on the boxset. A couple pieces of Child is Father of the Man got left off, unfortunately. Im not sure offhand if thats the case with other songs.

[soniclovenoize]

Here's a quick run-down for you.  Most of the mixing is different, so we are focusing on recordings.  Anythign that is exclusive to Unsurpassed Masters 17 is notated at NOT ON TSS.  Anyone can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

SOT 17, disc 1
1.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take 14) 0:51 * 
2.  Heroes And Villains Theme (take unknown) 1:06 *
These two are the same as Disc 3 Track 2 (DYLW pt 2 aka Bicycle Rider Theme)

3.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 1st vocal overdub) 0:52
4.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 2nd vocal overdub) 0:46
5.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 3rd vocal overdub) 0:46
6.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 4th vocal overdub) 0:47
7.  Heroes And Villains (part 1 - 5th vocal overdub) 0:47
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the verse of Heroes and Villains. 

8.  "In The Cantina" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:38 *
Mono mix of Disc 2 Track 16, Cantina Section with overdubs. 

9.  "My Children Were Raised" (vocal overdub take unknown) 0:18 *
Mono mix of Disc 2 Track 13, My Children Were Raised #1 section 

10. "How I Love My Girl" (vocal overdub take 10) 1:59
Exact same mix of Gee -> Heroes and Villains pt2 as found on Disc 4 Track 24

11. Heroes And Villains (last part - mono mix) 1:13 *
Mono mix w/ vocals of Heroes and Villains fade (aka False Barnshine) as on TSS

12. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 0:40
NOT ON TSS Never could figure what this is, if it is really an unused section of H&H.  Anyone?

13. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 1:09
Stereo mix of H&V Fade (False Barshine as heard on Disc 3 Track 6

14. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:55 *
15. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 0:52 *
NOT ON TSS Direct master dub of mono mix attempts of H&V.  Very interesting.

16. Heroes And Villains (mono mix attempt) 1:21 *
NOT ON TSS Alternate mono mix attempt of H&V

17. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 1 & 2) 1:40
NOT ON TSS.  Alternate takes of H&V Fade (False Barnshine)

18. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 4-8) 2:35
NOT ON TSS.  Alternate takes of H&V Fade (False Barnshine)

19. Heroes And Villains Part 2 (takes 14 & 15) 1:45
Same as heard on Disc 3 Track 6 but more tracking dialog. 

20. Bicycle Rider (1st vocal overdub) 0:33
21. Bicycle Rider (2nd vocal overdub) 0:32
22. Bicycle Rider (3rd vocal overdub) 0:36
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the chorus of Do You like Worms. 

23. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - takes 23 & 24) 1:09
As heard on Disc 3 Track 1

24. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:19
25. Do You Like Worms (part 1 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:19
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the verse of Do You like Worms. 

26. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - rehearsal final part) 1:04
As heard on Disc 3 Track 3

27. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 2:56
28. Do You Like Worms (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 2:55
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the assembled mix of Do You like Worms. 

29. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 1 & 2) 1:41
30. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (take 4) 1:27
31. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 6 & 7) 2:47
32. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (takes 10 & 11) 1:11
NOT ON TSS.  TSS features takes 1, 3 and 5, but here is 1,2,4,6,7,10 & 11

33. The Old Master Painter / You Are My Sunshine (mono mix) 1:07 *
Mono instrumental mix without fade, I think this is on TSS somewhere. 

34. He Gives Speeches (take unknown) 1:04 *
35. He Gives Speeches (lead vocal overdub) 1:09
36. He Gives Speeches (backing vocal overdub) 1:12
NOT ON TSS.  This is literally the vocal overdubs and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks onto the assembled mix of He Gives Speeches 

37. Wonderful (takes 1-3) 2:52 *
38. Wonderful (takes 6-8) 2:48 *
39. Wonderful (takes 16-18) 0:51 *
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple takes of version 1 of Wonderful

40. Wonderful (take unknown) 2:14 *
41. Wonderful (instrumental overdub) 2:13
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple takes of version 2 of Wonderful (Rock Me Henry)

42. Wonderful (1st vocal overdub) 2:13
NOT ON TSS.  Vocal overdubs onto version 2 of Wonderful

43. Wonderful (vocal insert rehearsals) 6:27 *
44. Wonderful (1st vocal insert) 0:56
45. Wonderful (2nd vocal insert) 0:55
46. Wonderful (vocal insert stereo mix) 1:05
NOT ON TSS.  Tracking and mixing of Wonderful vocal inserts, more than heard on Disc 3 Track 13.
 

[37!ws]

I have to admit, I was very disappointed that TSS didn't have the "Do You Like Worms" cough.

BTW, the liner notes in Unsurpassed Masters Vol. 17 absolutely SUCKED.

[The_Beach]

WOW Thanks. SO when you say things that are noted in red are not on TSS are you saying that grouping isnt on the TSS or just the one right above it?

[jiggy22]

12. Heroes And Villains (last part - stereo mix) 0:40
NOT ON TSS Never could figure what this is, if it is really an unused section of H&H.  Anyone?

I'm 99% sure that was recorded for Can't Wait Too Long in late 67-early 68. Isn't it even featured in the CWTL music collage released on the Smiley Smile/Wild Honey two-fer?

[soniclovenoize]

WOW Thanks. SO when you say things that are noted in red are not on TSS are you saying that grouping isnt on the TSS or just the one right above it?

Yep, the grouping.  It's really cool, one track would be in instrumental + Brian's first overdub.  The next track would be the instrumental and the previous vocal part + a new one.  And so forth.  That's why I grouped them together. 

This is time consuming, so stay put.  Here's disc two. 

SOT 17 disc 2
1.   Child Is Father Of The Man (part 1 - takes 1-4) 4:51
2.   Child Is Father Of The Man (part 1 - take 0:40
NOT ON TSS.  More takes here than presented on Disc 3 Track 16

3.   Child Is Father Of The Man (verse - takes 1-10) 1:36
Stereo mix of Child Interlude as on Disc 3 Track 16. 

4.   Child Is Father Of The Man (take unknown) 0:59 *
NOT ON TSS.  mono instrumentalist mix of Child piano demo

5.   Look (takes 1 & 2) 1:22
6.   Look (takes 4 & 5) 1:08
7.   Look (takes 6-13) 2:10
8.   Look (takes 14-19) 1:06
NOT ON TSS.  Many takes not on TSS

9.   Look (take 20) 2:49
As heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 15

10. Vega-Tables (part 1 - piano track) 1:29 *
11. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub) 1:31
12. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempt) 1:28
13. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
14. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
15. Vega-Tables stereo (part 1 - instrumental & vocal overdub attempts) 1:30
16. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:35
17. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:35
18. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:33
19. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal overdub attempts) 1:34
NOT ON TSS.  Vocal overdub and bouncing of multiple vocal tracks on the assembled Vege-Tables piano track. 

20. Vega-Tables (part 1 - instrumental insert takes 1-8) 5:13 *
NOT ON TSS.  Multiple attempts of the organ overdub featured on the final verse of the Smiley Smile Vege-Tables

21. Vega-Tables (part 1 - vocal insert rehearsals) 1:08 *
NOT ON TSS.  Rehearsal and/or a capella verse section

22. Vega-Tables (part 1 - mono mix rehearsals) 2:33 *
NOT ON TSS.  Several mono mix attempts of Vege-Tables 

23. Vega-Tables (part 2 - take unknown) 1:22
Stereo instrumental first chorus section, as heard on Disc 3 Track 24

24. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:30
25. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:25
ALT MIX Stereo vocal overdubs on first chorus section, as heard on Disc 3 Track 24

26. Vega-Tables (part 2 - track rehearsal) 2:18 *
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo instrumental second chorus

27. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:27
28. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:28
29. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 3rd vocal overdub) 1:29
30. Vega-Tables (part 2 - 4th vocal overdub) 1:28
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdubs and bounces of second chorus, more complete than Disc 3 Track 25

31. Vega-Tables (part 2 - mono mix) 1:20 *
Mono mix of first chorus. 

32. Vega-Tables (part 3 - take 12) 1:44
Stereo instrumental of Vege-Tables Fade, as heard on Disc 4 Track 1

33. Vega-Tables (part 3 - 1st vocal overdub) 1:46
34. Vega-Tables (part 3 - 2nd vocal overdub) 1:49
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdubs and bounces on Vege-Tables Fade

35. Vega-Tables (part 3 - mono mix) 1:15 *
Mono mix attempt of Vege-Tables fade. 

36. Vega-Tables (various mix rehearsals) 1:53 *
NOT ON TSS.  Mono mix attempts of second verse

[soniclovenoize]

SOT disc 3:

1.  Wind Chimes (takes 1-3) 2:43
2.  Wind Chimes (take 4) 1:45
3.  Wind Chimes (take 5) 3:19
4.  Wind Chimes (takes 6 & 7) 1:32
5.  Wind Chimes (pick-up takes 1-5) 4:04
6.  Wind Chimes (takes 8 & 9) 1:59
NOT ON TSS.  More complete tracking sessions and more takes of Wind Chimes version 1 (Disc 4 Track 4)

7.  Wind Chimes (track) 3:01
Stereo Instrumental backing track of Wind Chimes version 2 (Disc 4 Track 5)

8.  Wind Chimes (1st vocal overdub) 2:58
NOT ON TSS.  Stereo vocal overdub of assembled Wind Chimes backing track (version 2 + tag). 

9.  Wind Chimes (last part take 3) 0:35
Stereo instrumental of Wind Chimes coda (Disc 4 Track 4)

10. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (part 1 - take unknown) 0:56
11. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (take 1) 0:53
12. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (take 2) 2:21
13. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 3-7) 3:14
14. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 11 & 12) 1:28
15. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (takes 15-18) 2:11
NOT ON TSS.  More takes than on TSS (Disc 4 Track 7)

16. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (overdub take 1) 1:45
NOT ON TSS.  Overdub of fire sound fx onto Mrs O'Leary's Cow, as heard on Disc 4 Track 25, but complete.

17. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow (mono mix) 1:37 *
ALT MIX Mono mix of Mr's O'Leary's Cow (edit composite) with fire FX

18. Friday Night (take 1) 2:17
19. Friday Night (take 2) 1:22 *
20. Friday Night (takes 6-10) 2:24
NOT ON TSS.  More takes than on TSS Disc 3 Track 21

21. Water (take unknown) 0:59 *
22. Water (1st vocal overdub) 0:58
23. Water (2nd vocal overdub) 0:57
24. Water (3rd vocal overdub) 0:59
25. Water (4th vocal overdub) 0:57
26. Water (stereo mix) 0:59
NOT ON TSS.  Instrumental backing track, then multiple stereo vocal overdubs and bounces

27. Vega-Tables radio spot rehearsals 22:43 *
NOT ON TSS.  More complete (extra 20 minutes!!) dialog of Disc 4 Track 23


So there you go...  for completists, both Unsurpassed Masters 17 and The Smile Sessions are essential.  SOT17 has multiple alternate takes and tracking sessions not present on TSS, but TSS has a bit better soundquality and some more finished mixes not on SOT17. 

[The_Beach]

Oh wow that is so helpful! Thanks you for all that help that must have token alot of work! 

Does anyone know what is on the Unserpassed Masters - Good Vibration takes that isnt on the Smile box set?

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Much obliged, Sonic!

[Bicyclerider]

Nice sonic - for completeness how about doing Vol 16 which if I remember also has some things not on TSS?

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

[soniclovenoize]

Uuuuugh you guys will be the death of me!!

Unsurpassed Masters 16 is interesting, because it's essentially the same core recordings as Disc 1 of TSS, but different mixes.  SO I have decided to add a new notion ALT MIX to denote as such. 


Unsurpassed Masters vol 16

01. Our Prayer [1:05]
Stereo mix as heard on official 20/20 album

02. Heroes and Villains  [2:55]
Mono Cantina mix as heard on Smiley Smile bonus track and TSS 2CD edition as Heroes and Villains part 1

03. Barnyard [0:54]
ALT MIX Mono mix of Barnyard with backing vocals (Disc 2 Track 4 lacks backing vocals; Disc 1 track 6 adds lead vocal sync)

04. Do You Like Worms [4:05]
ALT MIX Stereo mix with multitracked vocals on assembled backing track (no spliced-in Bicycle Rider Chorus).  Additional vocal track chatter/errors as compared to TSS Disc 1 Track 4.   

05.  The Old Master Painter/You Are My Sunshine [1:10]
Stereo instrumental backing track, as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 6

06.  He Gives Speeches [1:10]
ALT MIX Alternate stereo mix than heard on TSS Disc 1 Track 24

07. Wonderful  [2:06]
ALT MIX Alternate stereo mix of "Rock Me Henry" version than heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 12

08.  Child Is Father of the Man [1:45]
ALT MIX Alternate Stereo mix than TSS Disc 1 Track 11 and Disc 3 Tracks 16 & 17

09. Cabbin Essence [3:31]
Stereo mix as heard on official 20/20 album

10.  Look [2:40]
Stereo mix of take 3 as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 15

11.  Good Vibrations  [3:39]
Mono version 1 as heard on TSS Disc 5 Track 23

12.  I Wanna Be Around/Friday Night
Stereo mix as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 21

13. Vege-Tables [3:28]
Mono Mark Linett 1993 mix as heard on Good Vibrations box set

14. Wind Chimes [2:26]
ALT MIX  Stereo mix of 1966 backing with vocals (Disc 4 track 5) + mono tag (Disc 4 Track 6)

15. Mrs. O'Leary's Cow [2:34]
Stereo mix of Organ Waltz as heard on TSS (Disc 2 Track 30) + NOT ON TSS Stereo Mrs O'Leary's Cow take 8

16. I Love To Say Dada [2:25]
NOT ON TSS  stereo mix of Water with multitracked vocals + mono mix of I Love To Say Dada as heard on Good Vibrations box set

17. You're Welcome [1:05]
Mono mix as heard on TSS Disc 1 Track 20

18. Surf's Up  [5:20]
Stereo backing track as heard on TSS Disc 3 Track 18 + mono mix of Brian solo piano demo as heard on Good Vibrations box set.

[obscurereference]

Thanks so much for taking the time to do this - really useful for weeding out duplicates from playlists

[Bicyclerider]

That Wind Chimes stereo mix on UM 16 is my favorite version of the song and the closest to how Brian would have completed it for Smile (vs the BWPS and TSS arrangement).  And we have the nice mono mix version on the GV box set!

[The Shift]

Shortly after TSS appeared someone very kindly put together a PdF identifying what was new and what essentially matched what we already had on the various boots. Can't access that today but maybe someone could provide an upload?

[obscurereference]

Shortly after TSS appeared someone very kindly put together a PdF identifying what was new and what essentially matched what we already had on the various boots. Can't access that today but maybe someone could provide an upload?

I must have missed that... yes if anyone has a copy of this please upload it!

[GoodVibrations33]

Shortly after TSS appeared someone very kindly put together a PdF identifying what was new and what essentially matched what we already had on the various boots. Can't access that today but maybe someone could provide an upload?

I must have missed that... yes if anyone has a copy of this please upload it!

This?  http://www.beachboys.fr/smile.pdf

Edit:  Whoops, not really what you're looking for, but still may be useful.

[soniclovenoize]

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

[The_Beach]

I Hate to ask this but does anyone know what tracks arent on smiley smile sessions and good vibration box set but are on the Good Vibration Unsurpassed masters? Thanks

[Bicyclerider]

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

I just noticed Jason did this on a reference thread already.  Maybe an update or any corrections to what he has would be useful?  He also used Secret Smile and some other boots as sources.

[bgas]

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

I just noticed Jason did this on a reference thread already.  Maybe an update or any corrections to what he has would be useful?  He also used Secret Smile and some other boots as sources.

Do you have a link to that reference thread?

Also, another member here  emailed me the other day to tell me  the track of Barnyard from  the 5 CD promo set for Smile Sessions is different from the released version (and the version on UM 16) in that: it has backing vocals. and, has a count in, is a few seconds longer and has better sound quality than UM16. 

 I don't follow everything Smile related here/anywhere, but is this also  in the reference thread?

[soniclovenoize]

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

I just noticed Jason did this on a reference thread already.  Maybe an update or any corrections to what he has would be useful?  He also used Secret Smile and some other boots as sources.

Oh, I thought you meant compiling an audio version of this!  Man, and I've spent the last few days merging my Smile Sessions with Unsurpassed Masters 16 and 17, Vigotone, Archaeology and Secret Smile, then organizing them by recording date! 

[soniclovenoize]

And it might be nice to catalogue the instrumental takes that TSS has that are missing from Unsurpassed Masters.  What we need to do is compile from UM and other boots AND TSS The most complete chronological record of the Smile sessions.  TSS complete and Unedited, at least based on the sources available.  There are still vault items that could be released - like a stereo You're Welcome, stereo Barnshine with vocals (or was it stero Barnyard with vocals) - this may inspire me to go back and listen to everything I have Smile related yet again!

OK I am working on this.  No idea how long it'll take, this is actually really time consuming! 

I just noticed Jason did this on a reference thread already.  Maybe an update or any corrections to what he has would be useful?  He also used Secret Smile and some other boots as sources.

Do you have a link to that reference thread?

Also, another member here  emailed me the other day to tell me  the track of Barnyard from  the 5 CD promo set for Smile Sessions is different from the released version (and the version on UM 16) in that: it has backing vocals. and, has a count in, is a few seconds longer and has better sound quality than UM16. 

 I don't follow everything Smile related here/anywhere, but is this also  in the reference thread?

http://smileysmile.net/board/index.php/topic,11250.0.html

[The Shift]

Also, another member here  emailed me the other day to tell me  the track of Barnyard from  the 5 CD promo set for Smile Sessions is different from the released version (and the version on UM 16) in that: it has backing vocals. and, has a count in, is a few seconds longer and has better sound quality than UM16. 

Hadn't heard of a physical 5cd set - thought it was previewed for press etc on a secure online stream, to prevent leaks?

Anyone have this?

[Bicyclerider]

Yeah, the preview was tightly controlled and I thought no physical sets were distributed and that it was not possible to make a digital copy of the preview.

But that is definitely one of the more obvious missing tracks from the Sessions set - Barnyard with backing vocals!