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« on: August 04, 2015, 11:11:10 AM »

The debate has raged for over four decades.  Here is my single album track list:

Side 1

1. Back in the USSR
2. Helter Skelter
3. Birthday
4. Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da
5. Piggies
6. Sexie Sadie
7. Happiness is a Warm Gun

Side 2

1. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
2. Dear Prudence
3. Martha My Dear
4. Blackbird
5. Honey Pie
6. Julia
7. Good Night




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« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2015, 11:23:42 AM »

Didn't we do this here before? Maybe it was elsewhere (record room?) or maybe it was just forever ago. I know I've got a single-album track list I posted somewhere. I'll dig around.

Also let it be said I'm almost always a fan of single albums over doubles.
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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2015, 12:09:26 PM »

I'd prefer to leave it as it is, with all its flaws and imperfections, because I love it for that very same reason - it's not perfect, it's sketchy, rough, unfinished, a bit of a hodge podge affair.

Feel the same about Big Star's "Third/Sister Lovers". Its strength is its weakness, its beauty its crudeness and vice versa.

I don't think I'd even succeed in trimming it down to a single LP version... Because it would be hard to pick the 10-12 cuts I like the most.

The album as it is makes me enjoy it so much. If I want to listen to a short, pop masterpiece created by the Beatles I'll play either "Rubber Soul" or "Revolver".
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« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2015, 12:20:15 PM »

This reminds me of what I did with Tommy:

Side One:
1. Overture
2. Amazing Journey
3. Sparks
4. The Hawker
5. Cousin Kevin
6. The Acid Queen

Side Two:
1. Pinball Wizard
2. Go To The Mirror
3. Tommy Can You Hear Me
4. Smash The Mirror
5. Sensation
6. I'm Free
7. We're Not Gonna Take It

Of course, the CD rerelease has room for a bonus track, the awesome "Underture". :=)
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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2015, 02:41:12 PM »

Maybe a fun exercise, but cutting it in half misses the point of the album in my opinion.
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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2015, 03:11:01 PM »

Nobody but me ever seems to choose Don't Pass Me By, but I love it.

Back In The USSR
Dear Prudence
Glass Onion
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except For Me And My Monkey
Mother Nature's Son
Happiness Is A Warm Gun

Don't Pass Me By
Martha My Dear
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Long Long Long
I Will
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« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2015, 04:31:58 PM »

Paul McCartney said it best, "It's great, it sold, it's the bloody Beatles' White Album, shut up!" But, it's still fun - and frustrating as hell - to try.

The Beatles (White Album)

01  Back In The U.S.S.R.
02  Dear Prudence
03  Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
04  Happiness Is A Warm Gun
05  Mother Nature's Son
06  Piggies
07  Sexy Sadie

08  Birthday
09  Why Don't We Do It In The Road?
10  Helter Skelter
11  While My Guitar Gently Weeps
12  Cry Baby Cry
13  Blackbird
14  Good Night

It ^ needs one more Lennon song and one less McCartney song. I had "Yer Blues" at Song 09 instead of "Why Don't We Do It In The Road" but changed my mind. "Julia" could go on there to, but maybe because it was such a personal song, John could've used it on one of his solo albums.
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« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2015, 09:31:56 PM »

I've never been one to mind having too much music, so I'd leave it as it is.  It's a good album in my opinion, when I first bought it in high school I loved it.  I can't really say I dislike any of the songs on it, at the time me and my friends were all going through a Beatles phase, and even were into Revolution #9.  All the little songs a lot of people consider throwaways like "Long, Long, Long" and "Honey Pie" I like pretty much as good as the big hits off of it. 

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« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2015, 11:29:52 PM »

1- Back in the USSR
2 - Dear Prudence
3- Glass Onion
4- The Continuing Story of Bungalow Bill
5- While My Guitar Gently Weeps
6- Happiness is a Warm Gun
7 - Martha My Dear
8- I'm So Tired
9- Blackbird
10- Piggies
11- Rocky Raccoon
12- I Will
13- Julia
14- Birthday
15- Yer Blues
16 - Mother Nature's Son
17- Long Long Long
18 - Revolution 1
19- Honey Pie
20 - Savoy Truffle
21 - Cry Baby Cry
naw, can't do it, that's too long for one record
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2015, 06:20:14 AM »

I am surprised that I'm So Tired doesn't make the cut for a lot of your lists. That's my favorite song on the whole album.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2015, 07:48:22 AM »

I've said it before, but I think The Beatles White Album should have been a triple album.

Add the outtakes from the Anthology series and let it all hang out.



...Although i'd be tempted to cut out Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da...
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2015, 10:56:14 AM »

Let's take another approach, one that should have Macca fans howling for my blood: This is the single-LP tribute version, dedicated to the two Beatles sadly no longer with us, all brought to a stomping conclusion by that most underrated of White Album tracks.

Side One:
1. Revolution 1
2. Dear Prudence
3. Glass Onion
4. The Continuing Story Of Bungalow Bill
5. I'm So Tired
6. Yer Blues
7. Julia
8. Happiness Is A Warm Gun


Side Two:
1. Sexy Sadie
2. Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey
3. Long Long Long
4. Revolution 9
5. Savoy Truffle
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2015, 01:14:41 PM »

^ Then I should make a tribute comp for the living half of the Beatles & call it "Ring Paul". Anyway, this is my plan: throw out boring John Lennon songs, leave good, some other filler out & I have one ideal White album:

1. Back in the U.S.S.R.
2. Wild Honey Pie [always loved it! 3D]
3. Martha My Dear [that Paul could dedicate song - & very charming at that - to his dog deserves respect in my book]
4. Piggies [see No.2]
5. Rocky Raccoon
6. Don't Pass Me By [you ain't alone, unreleased bcgrs 3D]
7. Mother Nature's Son
8. Everybody's Got Sth. to Hide Except for Me & My Monkey
9. Helter Skelter
10. Revolution 1
11. Savoy Truffle
12. Cry Baby Cry
13. (bonus) While My Guitar (acoustic version)
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« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2015, 08:13:24 AM »

I am surprised that I'm So Tired doesn't make the cut for a lot of your lists. That's my favorite song on the whole album.

Ditto.

By the way, I half-assedly (tm) dug around for my old 1-album version and failed. And I'm too lazy to make a new one--which I can officially confirm because I started doing just that and quit.

However, I do want to comment based on the people who say they like all the songs, that it should be left alone, that it's a silly exercise, etc. For me, this kind of game isn't usually about dismissing some songs, or pretending I know best. Rather it's playing with presentation and context. Sometimes I'll leave off a favorite song, not because it isn't good, but just because in the self-imposed parameters, it doesn't fit or flow.

So I can simultaneously play this kind of game while also wholeheartedly agree with that great McCartney quote from the Anthology. the "it's the bloody Beatles, it's the bloody White Album, shut up" (or whatever the wording was).

Though I do believe generally that single albums are a more digestible format than double. Not about quality of music, just about how to get across a group of songs as a unit. If you want the album to be a statement beyond collection of songs--which you don't have to--then to me a single album is the more effective way to do it because it's less demanding of a listener. Just an opinion.
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« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2015, 08:30:55 AM »

I am surprised that I'm So Tired doesn't make the cut for a lot of your lists. That's my favorite song on the whole album.

Ditto.

By the way, I half-assedly (tm) dug around for my old 1-album version and failed. And I'm too lazy to make a new one--which I can officially confirm because I started doing just that and quit.

However, I do want to comment based on the people who say they like all the songs, that it should be left alone, that it's a silly exercise, etc. For me, this kind of game isn't usually about dismissing some songs, or pretending I know best. Rather it's playing with presentation and context. Sometimes I'll leave off a favorite song, not because it isn't good, but just because in the self-imposed parameters, it doesn't fit or flow.

So I can simultaneously play this kind of game while also wholeheartedly agree with that great McCartney quote from the Anthology. the "it's the bloody Beatles, it's the bloody White Album, shut up" (or whatever the wording was).

Though I do believe generally that single albums are a more digestible format than double. Not about quality of music, just about how to get across a group of songs as a unit. If you want the album to be a statement beyond collection of songs--which you don't have to--then to me a single album is the more effective way to do it because it's less demanding of a listener. Just an opinion.

There are exceptions, but for the most part, I agree with you.  I think that, with few exceptions, albums should be around 45 minutes or less.  When CDs came out, many artists were padding their albums when filler that probably wouldn't have made the cut in the vinyl days. 

Of course concept albums (ie. Tommy, Quadrophenia, The Wall) are a bit of a different story. 
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« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2015, 08:50:03 AM »

I think had they released only 12 songs from The White Album as a follow-up to Sgt. Pepper, the album would've endlessly been criticized, from every angle, regardless of the chosen songs. The White Album offered a solution for that, in that the purpose of the album is different, the format different. It defies comparisons with Sgt. Pepper because it is a completely different story.

But George Starostin put it better than me and I fully agree with this:
"What can you do if you have hit your ceiling and «up» is no longer an alternative? Simple as heck: instead of going high, you can allow yourself to go wide. You do not have to prove that you are the best in the world: instead, it is much more fun to show that you are the world. Everyone who ever complained that the 2 LPs of The White Album were overkill, and that the whole thing might have benefited from throw­ing out some filler, completely missed the point. If there are songs on here that you don't like, feel free to edit them out of your playlist — just like it is hardly a sin to skip over a few hundred unin­spiring pages of War And Peace when you set out to re-read it — but do not deny them their rightful place as an integral part of the whole composition."

So I do think that sometimes double albums can be the right artistic decision and that this is such a case.
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2015, 08:50:55 AM »


Of course concept albums (ie. Tommy, Quadrophenia, The Wall) are a bit of a different story. 

I think that, if anything, they have a higher standard (which they usually fail to live up to). If you're telling me I need to dedicate 90 minutes to your concept, it better be a fucking good concept. I'm actually more forgiving of a double album of unrelated songs ("unrelated" other than that they're presumably by the same band, and likely recorded in a similar time frame) than of a concept album. If you can tell your story in 40 minutes and 12 songs instead of 90 and 25, you're better for it.
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Of course concept albums (ie. Tommy, Quadrophenia, The Wall) are a bit of a different story.  

I think that, if anything, they have a higher standard (which they usually fail to live up to). If you're telling me I need to dedicate 90 minutes to your concept, it better be a fucking good concept. I'm actually more forgiving of a double album of unrelated songs ("unrelated" other than that they're presumably by the same band, and likely recorded in a similar time frame) than of a concept album. If you can tell your story in 40 minutes and 12 songs instead of 90 and 25, you're better for it.

No way Quadrophenia or The Wall would've worked as single albums, story-wise. Can you imagine The Trial and Love Reign O'er Me coming on after just 11 songs or so?
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A band called The Beach Boys are mostly going to be a fun in the sun-themed group. And that has, is, and will always be just as it should. There needs to be ONE classic band that isn't a pack of endless "artistic" moan. All people wanna do is make The Beach Boys into another Beatles they are less tired of.
And, for anyone who has actually experienced them, surfing and cars carry PLENTY of emotion and life experience. They can carry as much metaphor as any Van Dyke Parks clever epistle.
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Of course concept albums (ie. Tommy, Quadrophenia, The Wall) are a bit of a different story. 

I think that, if anything, they have a higher standard (which they usually fail to live up to). If you're telling me I need to dedicate 90 minutes to your concept, it better be a fucking good concept. I'm actually more forgiving of a double album of unrelated songs ("unrelated" other than that they're presumably by the same band, and likely recorded in a similar time frame) than of a concept album. If you can tell your story in 40 minutes and 12 songs instead of 90 and 25, you're better for it.

I think Quadrophenia and The Wall are two examples of great concept albums.  I couldn't imagine cutting any of the tracks from either (in fact, The Wall was slightly edited for record to avoid a third disc).  

Now, as for Judas Priest's Nostradamus album....the less said about that, the better.  

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2015, 09:01:35 AM »

I'm actually not a big fan of either album, but it's less about length than just not being a fan of those bands in general. So I won't get into those.

Besides, it occurs to me that my one dramatic board flame-out was a kerfuffle at the record room some years back over this very idea--my strong preference for single albums--and then I eventually returned with my tail between my legs realizing it's boring not to discuss music, fights or not. So poor, re-registered me... I won't push the issue again! (Or quit a board in a huff! Lesson #1: nobody gives a f***.)

My biggest general problem with concept albums regardless of length is that I don't think most songwriters seem to have the chops to pull off narrative. So loose concepts tend to work better than true narrative concepts, in my opinion. AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE, I'M QUITTING THIS BOARD!  Wink
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2015, 09:13:37 AM »

I'm actually not a big fan of either album, but it's less about length than just not being a fan of those bands in general. So I won't get into those.

Besides, it occurs to me that my one dramatic board flame-out was a kerfuffle at the record room some years back over this very idea--my strong preference for single albums--and then I eventually returned with my tail between my legs realizing it's boring not to discuss music, fights or not. So poor, re-registered me... I won't push the issue again! (Or quit a board in a huff! Lesson #1: nobody gives a f***.)

My biggest general problem with concept albums regardless of length is that I don't think most songwriters seem to have the chops to pull off narrative. So loose concepts tend to work better than true narrative concepts, in my opinion. AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE, I'M QUITTING THIS BOARD!  Wink

I hear ya Capt.  In general, I do prefer the single album of 45 minutes or less.   If I had to make a list of 50 of my favorite albums of all time, I'd be willing to bet around 40 would fall under that criteria. 

And not all concept albums are narrative pieces.  ie.  Darkside of the Moon is about madness in general, but doesn't have a narrative story like The Wall. 
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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2015, 09:21:49 AM »

And not all concept albums are narrative pieces.  ie.  Darkside of the Moon is about madness in general, but doesn't have a narrative story like The Wall. 

Oh absolutely. Those are the type I think are more likely to succeed (for me). They give the writer(s) more leeway.
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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2015, 03:34:48 PM »

Allowing a couple years' time to thoughtfully edit down:

Mrs. Lennon
Airmale
Revolution 9
Wild Honey Pie
Piggies
Helter Skelter
Long, Long, Long
Julia
Why Don't We Do it in the Road?
Sexy Sadie
Good Night
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« Reply #23 on: August 09, 2015, 09:09:17 AM »

I personally don't have the attention span for a double album.  I'm not ashamed to admit that I would find single album versions of White Album, Physical Graffiti, Tommy, and the Wall more appealing. 
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« Reply #24 on: August 09, 2015, 09:16:46 PM »

You  know, the release of the Esher tunes would have been spectacular. Those  recordings to me are the essence of The Beatles songwriting talents.
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