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« on: July 15, 2015, 08:56:50 AM »
Variations on a theme... it has been said that the 1988 Rio Grande suite was based on a handful of old Brian Wilson compositions and some new Andy Paley links.

One of the songs mentioned in connection with the original Smile sessions was something called "Indian Wisdom." 

And I've heard distinctly, for 27 years now, a section of Rio Grande that. lyrically, goes... "In-dian Wis-dom...Indian...Indian..."

Any connection?
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2015, 09:02:35 AM »
Never was a Smile song called "Indian Wisdom". The little bit of cod-philosophy on the back of Smiley Smile tagged "Indian Wisdom" originates from a Hallmark card of the day, as does the illustration of the flower & butterfly. Sorry.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2015, 09:16:35 AM »
Timothy White mentions "Indian Wisdom" as a Smile track in "The Nearest Faraway Place", however, I'm with Andrew - I've never seen such a track mentioned anywhere else as being a part of Smile.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2015, 09:37:08 AM »
It was a Hallmark book for sure; don't know if this was ever issued as a card.
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2015, 09:39:35 AM »
There was a rumor that the "Night Blooming Jasmine" section originated around the time of SMiLE. My own guess would be, right after SMiLE, maybe during the whole Can't Wait Too Long thing--always sounded like it could be a part of that. Same mood, same nighttime theme, same sense of longing.

There was, of course, a disco-ey version of NBJ that's on the BW88 deluxe version--and it's horrific!
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2015, 09:47:11 AM »
<<Never was a Smile song called "Indian Wisdom". The little bit of cod-philosophy on the back of Smiley Smile tagged "Indian Wisdom" originates from a Hallmark card of the day, as does the illustration of the flower & butterfly. Sorry.>>

And now that I think about it, my source was Brad Elliott's book, which has apparently has its own factual errors.  Thanks for the clarification, Andrew.  You've cleared up a decades-old mystery for me.
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2015, 10:04:05 AM »
Quote from: onkster on July 15, 2015, 09:39:35 AM
There was a rumor that the "Night Blooming Jasmine" section originated around the time of SMiLE. My own guess would be, right after SMiLE, maybe during the whole Can't Wait Too Long thing--always sounded like it could be a part of that. Same mood, same nighttime theme, same sense of longing.

There was, of course, a disco-ey version of NBJ that's on the BW88 deluxe version--and it's horrific!


Wasn't "Night bloomin' Jasmine" written with Dennis or if not with him during the cocaine sessions periode?
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2015, 10:10:16 AM »
FWIW, I could have sworn I saw a picture with a tape box labeled "Indian Wisdom".
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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 10:20:56 AM »
Quote from: Rocker on July 15, 2015, 10:04:05 AM
Quote from: onkster on July 15, 2015, 09:39:35 AM
There was a rumor that the "Night Blooming Jasmine" section originated around the time of SMiLE. My own guess would be, right after SMiLE, maybe during the whole Can't Wait Too Long thing--always sounded like it could be a part of that. Same mood, same nighttime theme, same sense of longing.

There was, of course, a disco-ey version of NBJ that's on the BW88 deluxe version--and it's horrific!


Wasn't "Night bloomin' Jasmine" written with Dennis or if not with him during the cocaine sessions periode?

I thought that the demo on the deluxe version was from '79?
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 11:29:26 AM »
Quote from: 37!ws on July 15, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
FWIW, I could have sworn I saw a picture with a tape box labeled "Indian Wisdom".

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 02:27:41 PM »
Quote from: 37!ws on July 15, 2015, 10:10:16 AM
FWIW, I could have sworn I saw a picture with a tape box labeled "Indian Wisdom".
I've seen it, too.
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 10:07:58 PM »
there's an instrumental spanish guitar tune that has been referred to as Indian Wisdom and been associated with SMiLE, but was actually recorded during the Friends time frame if i'm not mistaken
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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2015, 10:37:25 PM »
Recorded on 3/26/68, same session as "Even Stephen" (= "Busy Doin' Nothin'"), logged as "New Song".
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« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2015, 12:54:47 AM »
The Indian Wisdom on Smiley Smile is  Asian Indian. The wisdom in Rio Grande is Native American.
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