Carol Kaye is at It again

[chaki]

Mike Watt, and in particular The Minutemen, are legendary, held in high regard and well respected by most modern day players with an extremely storied career!
Their album "Double Nickles On The Dime" is basically the punk Pet Sounds. To be so dismissive is seriously trolly and stupid.

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Mike Watt, and in particular The Minutemen, are legendary, held in high regard and well respected by most modern day players with an extremely storied career!
Their album "Double Nickles On The Dime" is basically the punk Pet Sounds. To be so dismissive is seriously trolly and stupid.

Difference of opinion. And to be perfectly frank, I think the comment was more to mess with kookadams (who is quite the troll him/her/itself) than an actual dismission.

[Mike's Beard]

I think it's crucial what is said online. Where would we be without a resource to remind us daily that
The BBs never made a proper album after Holland.
Love You was a solo album
Nobody in America was buying rock music in the late 60s
The Ramones were supposedly really good
The Beatles were talentless chancers without George Martin
LA Light was a hodgepodge album with only one rockin' cut
Mike Watt is the most substantial bassist ever
Knowing who Mike Watt is is a sign of intelligence, unlike being able to spell or use grammar correctly.

[chaki]

ok understood and lol. im a n00b here and didn't realize kook's rep.

[Mike's Beard]

Mike Watt, and in particular The Minutemen, are legendary, held in high regard and well respected by most modern day players with an extremely storied career!
Their album "Double Nickles On The Dime" is basically the punk Pet Sounds. To be so dismissive is seriously trolly and stupid.

Just checked out some Minutemen on youtube and it was shite. Each to their own.

[chaki]

i would reply to that glib remark but i'm too embarrassed for you to type.

[Mike's Beard]

You're embarrassed for me because I don't like a band you do? Ooooooooooooooooookay........................................

[♩♬🐸 Billy C ♯♫♩🐇]

Again, it's difference of opinion.

[bgas]

I think it's a question of temperature

[Mike's Beard]

They sort of remind me of Freaky Styley era Chili Peppers minus the hooks. On the plus side, their singer is roughly x100 less annoying then Anthony Kiedis.

[adamghost]

I think it's a question of temperature

I think it's a question of Ball Hog or Tugboat.

[harrisonjon]

When is AGD going to admit that Carol Kaye was the true author of The Complete Guide to the Music of the Beach Boys and Doe and Tobler stole her credit?

[Andrew G. Doe]

Rumbled. It's a fair cop, guv, you got me bang to rights, I'll come quietly...

[DC310]

Does anyone know when the Carol Kaye biopic "Love & Mercy" comes out on home video?

[37!ws]

All I know is...this thread exists because of someone who insists that the "Good Vibrations" session film was staged.

[Andrew G. Doe]

I think Carol Kaye is staged.

[harrisonjon]

I'm surprised she doesn't rush the stage at BW concerts and grab the bass out of Bob Lizik's hands: "that's not how you play it!"

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

Well this is a fun list.

- Teresa was wearing the wrong glasses prescription.
- Brian wanted to bring in a liger, not a horse, into the studio.
- She collaborated on Smile.
- She wrote the Surf's Up lyrics.
- SHE came up with the cello part on Good Vibes.

See what a quarrel between VDP and Kaye looks like...

I imagine a heated shouting match leading up to fisticuffs and finally climaxing in some passionate lovemaking. "Mercy! Mercy!"

[Andrew G. Doe]

I'm surprised she doesn't rush the stage at BW concerts and grab the bass out of Bob Lizik's hands: "that's not how you play it!"

Not as fanciful as you'd imagine: she's berated him online for using a five-string.

Now, normally I don't advocate or condone violence towards anyone, especially the elderly (although I'll grant that twat Morrissey an exemption) but seriously, someone needs to slap (metaphorically or not) some sense into that woman.

[HeyJude]

Criticizing Lizik for using a five-string bass is ridiculous. McCartney used a 5-string bass on his 89/90 tour and nobody died. I think McCartney only stopped using his Rickenbacker or that Wal 5-string bass regularly in concerts because they are much heavier than a semi-hollow Hofner.

It’s about the player much more than the instrument. I was fascinated hearing the stories of early Cream reunion rehearsals in 2005, where they initially tried hauling out all the gear (Bruce’s Gibson bass, Clapton’s ES-335, Marshall stacks, etc.) they had used in the late 60’s. After trying to use that stuff, they just decided instead to use whatever instruments they preferred in the modern day. Ultimately, it’s about the player, and then they use whatever *they* feel most comfortable using. It’s not always perfect; I would have preferred to see Clapton bust out a Les Paul or something with humbuckers on some of those Cream songs. But if he is more comfortable playing his Strat, then that’s how it has to be.

[KDS]

Criticizing Lizik for using a five-string bass is ridiculous. McCartney used a 5-string bass on his 89/90 tour and nobody died. I think McCartney only stopped using his Rickenbacker or that Wal 5-string bass regularly in concerts because they are much heavier than a semi-hollow Hofner.

It’s about the player much more than the instrument. I was fascinated hearing the stories of early Cream reunion rehearsals in 2005, where they initially tried hauling out all the gear (Bruce’s Gibson bass, Clapton’s ES-335, Marshall stacks, etc.) they had used in the late 60’s. After trying to use that stuff, they just decided instead to use whatever instruments they preferred in the modern day. Ultimately, it’s about the player, and then they use whatever *they* feel most comfortable using. It’s not always perfect; I would have preferred to see Clapton bust out a Les Paul or something with humbuckers on some of those Cream songs. But if he is more comfortable playing his Strat, then that’s how it has to be.

Speaking of Cream, I read that Carol Kaye is now taking credit for Jack Bruce's influential bass playing. 

[RONDEMON]

Criticizing Lizik for using a five-string bass is ridiculous. McCartney used a 5-string bass on his 89/90 tour and nobody died. I think McCartney only stopped using his Rickenbacker or that Wal 5-string bass regularly in concerts because they are much heavier than a semi-hollow Hofner.

It’s about the player much more than the instrument. I was fascinated hearing the stories of early Cream reunion rehearsals in 2005, where they initially tried hauling out all the gear (Bruce’s Gibson bass, Clapton’s ES-335, Marshall stacks, etc.) they had used in the late 60’s. After trying to use that stuff, they just decided instead to use whatever instruments they preferred in the modern day. Ultimately, it’s about the player, and then they use whatever *they* feel most comfortable using. It’s not always perfect; I would have preferred to see Clapton bust out a Les Paul or something with humbuckers on some of those Cream songs. But if he is more comfortable playing his Strat, then that’s how it has to be.

I can't stand 5-string basses. Bob's a fantastic musician (obviously) but as a bassist myself, 5-string basses are tasteless and somewhat overkill.
There are NO Beach Boys songs that require a low B-note, etc. That's what piano is for!
To me, it's almost the equivalent to someone playing a Van Halen-style tapping solo over Fun Fun Fun.

Nothing against Bob - he's a fantastic player but he's more of an RnB guy in general.
I miss Brett Simons a lot as I think he played more like the original recordings (picked bass w/ a lot of palm muting).

PS. McCartney with a 5-string was equally embarrassing as his mullet and bad sweaters throughout the late 80s/90s. Just a terrible instrument.

Brian Eichenberg of M&B's band is killing it on bass and is playing what looks like a vintage white P-Bass just like Brian did in the 60s.

[37!ws]

I can't stand 5-string basses. Bob's a fantastic musician (obviously) but as a bassist myself, 5-string basses are tasteless and somewhat overkill.
There are NO Beach Boys songs that require a low B-note, etc. That's what piano is for!

I've found from performing that there are at least a few Beach Boys songs that at the very least require you to tune down the E-string. "Sloop John B" and "California Girls" come to mind. I remember wishing I HAD a five-string bass to make it easier so I wouldn't have to de-tune and re-tune between songs.

A friend of mine uses a 5-string bass, but the extra string is actually after the G string. He tunes it to a C.

[Gerry]

I'm just glad Carol Kaye never played wearing a G-string

[D409]

Not de-railing this thread too far, but as a 5-string player myself, it's not all about going down to the low B - playing runs further up the fingerboard is made easier and there are more options for finding the required notes.

To dismiss 5-string basses as tasteless is frankly untrue and insulting to players who use them and love them.

(By the way, I also love 4-string basses - I'm playing my 4-string fretless at a gig tonight !)