Nearly half of Americans would vote for a socialist for President

[Douchepool]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

[Awesoman]

*Sigh*

I hope people wake up and come to their senses, but methinks it'll only get worse before it gets better.

[the captain]

I wonder what percentage of Americans can offer a remotely coherent definition of socialism.

[Jim V.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

 

You are hilarious.

You probably think the Benghazi thing is a big scandal too.

By the way, you righties are having quite the week aren't ya? First you lose your traitorous, treasonous Confederate flag, and now the Supreme Court (of which a majority is conservative) just upheld Obamacare for the second time. Ain't life great.

Viva la socialism baby!




* Even though President Obama is at best a moderate Republican, and even Bernie Sanders at best is a Democratic Socialist.

I wonder what percentage of Americans can offer a remotely coherent definition of socialism.

Spot on.

[Douchepool]

 

You thinking I'm a right-winger. Any other assumptions? I don't give a damn about Benghazi or the REBEL flag or Obamacare. There are bigger fish. Those are distractions.

Your logical fallacy is the straw man, my friend. I suspect the ad hominem will soon follow.

[Jim V.]

You thinking I'm a right-winger. Any other assumptions? I don't give a damn about Benghazi or the REBEL flag or Obamacare. There are bigger fish. Those are distractions.

Your logical fallacy is the straw man, my friend. I suspect the ad hominem will soon follow.

Oh wait, you're not a right winger. You're a somewhat younger dude who realizes it's embarrassing to call yourself a Republican and be linked to jackasses like Dick Cheney, Rick Perry and neo-Confederate nutjobs like Bean Bag and so you call yourself a "libertarian" despite the fact that your "beliefs" probably line up quite well with the modern GOP.

Also, so you do agree Benghazi is much ado about nothing? That it's a tragedy at best and not a nefarious scheme by President Obama or Secretary Clinton to kill Americans? Maybe you'll prove me wrong and agree, but I suspect you won't.

[Douchepool]

No, my beliefs for the most part do not line up with the modern GOP.

I support capitalism, not corporatism. Both major parties support corporatism. No handouts or corporate welfare. No picking winners. No ridiculous tax code. Simple as that.
Social issues are best left out of the government's jurisdiction. Consenting relationships are no business of the government.
Foreign aid needs to end. Support the troops by BRINGING THEM HOME. No country is crazy enough to attack the U.S. mainland lest they invite a painful response.
People have a right to defend themselves.
There is no such thing as a "right" when people are not allowed to opt out of participation.
Rights do not come without responsibilities.
The burden of proof always rests on the person who says "no, you can't do that."

Simply, I don't give a damn what others do as long as I don't have to participate or pay for it.

Benghazi was a tragedy. Being in that part of the world with those savages is a HUGE mistake. They don't want us there, so leave them alone. Let the chips fall as they may. Obama's no idiot. Idiots aren't elected president. I think he and Hillary, like all politicians, are about as honest as water is dry, but there was not some grand conspiracy behind Benghazi. Washington, D.C. may be the Good Old Boys club but those uber-radicals in the Middle East are not members of said club.

[Jim V.]

No, my beliefs for the most part do not line up with the modern GOP.

I support capitalism, not corporatism. Both major parties support corporatism. No handouts or corporate welfare. No picking winners. No ridiculous tax code. Simple as that.
Social issues are best left out of the government's jurisdiction. Consenting relationships are no business of the government.
Foreign aid needs to end. Support the troops by BRINGING THEM HOME. No country is crazy enough to attack the U.S. mainland lest they invite a painful response.
People have a right to defend themselves.
There is no such thing as a "right" when people are not allowed to opt out of participation.
Rights do not come without responsibilities.
The burden of proof always rests on the person who says "no, you can't do that."

Simply, I don't give a damn what others do as long as I don't have to participate or pay for it.

Benghazi was a tragedy. Being in that part of the world with those savages is a HUGE mistake. They don't want us there, so leave them alone. Let the chips fall as they may. Obama's no idiot. Idiots aren't elected president. I think he and Hillary, like all politicians, are about as honest as water is dry, but there was not some grand conspiracy behind Benghazi. Washington, D.C. may be the Good Old Boys club but those uber-radicals in the Middle East are not members of said club.

You know what man? Right fuckin' on. I don't agree with a little bit of what you said, but at the same time I do agree on quite a bit. I must say I was wrong about you.

I'd like to get into it more, and hopefully will at a later time.

But anyways, unlike Bean Bag, you don't seem to be part of the problem. Mea culpa.

[MaryUSA]

Hi all,

I truly want to enjoy the summer.

[the captain]

Talking (with reason) works. Huzzah.

[Bean Bag]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

Don't believe Huff n' Puff spin. Despite Romney being DEAD-ON BALLS accurate (47% is stuck on gimme) this is good news for America -- Socialism is dead last.

[the captain]

It's the atheist numbers that, while I'm well aware, somehow keeps surprising me. It's funny to me that people are more willing to elect someone who believes in a religion that contradicts their own than someone without one.

And as one, no offense taken.

[Douchepool]

I'll admit to being incredibly biased against Catholics (the Church hasn't been the same since John Paul II). I wouild never support one for president unless his or her views were agreeable...and even then, if no other competition was around. I'm pagan, vehemently anti-communist, and I don't trust the Catholic Church and ESPECIALLY not Red Francis when it comes to their views on communism; I think they're lying through their teeth.

[Bean Bag]

It's the atheist numbers that, while I'm well aware, somehow keeps surprising me. It's funny to me that people are more willing to elect someone who believes in a religion that contradicts their own than someone without one.

And as one, no offense taken.

This is one of those polls that should really make people feel good -- and help to lower all the anxiety caused by the Left wing hate groups. We're an open minded country that will hear what anyone has to say.  It's in our nature, as Americans, to want a competition of ideas -- despite what the Haters want you to believe.

I don't want to dwell on the Haters, but they take "opportunities" -- however they arise -- to emphasize hatred and tell us it's "in our DNA."  In reality, they speak for themselves -- they're filled with hate and never assume blame. Just like how the HuffPo tries to take this very uplifting poll and say, America almost wants Socialism -- which in their mind is a positive. Because it's in their DNA, not ours.

[GreatUrduPoet]

[quote author=You are hilarious.

You probably think the Benghazi thing is a big scandal too.

By the way, you righties are having quite the week aren't ya? First you lose your traitorous, treasonous Confederate flag, and now the Supreme Court (of which a majority is conservative) just upheld Obamacare for the second time. Ain't life great.

Viva la socialism baby!=quote}

Weird how some posters here who apparently really, really hate America are contributing to a Beach Boys tribute site. That's a puzzle wrapped in a conundrum. Pubic schools at fault?

[the captain]

What the f*** does that mean? Why couldn't someone who is politically anti-American like Beach Boys music? Oh f***, a major seventh! George Washington incarnate!

[Jim V.]

Weird how some posters here who apparently really, really hate America are contributing to a Beach Boys tribute site. That's a puzzle wrapped in a conundrum. Pubic schools at fault?

Hold the f*** up. So one "really, really hates" America if they support the President's health care law and also despise the treasonous, traitorous flag of a group that tried to tear America apart. Really? Seems like you don't know what the f*** you're talking about.

However, maybe it is the pubic schools. I personally went to public schools, but perhaps you went to the pubic schools. Must be interesting.

[KDS]

More than half of Americans did vote for a socialist for President - TWICE. 

[the captain]

it would be such a nice world if people could talk about politics (or religion) without spouting nonsense and/or vitriol for a change. But hey, by all means, buy into whatever crap sells ad space.

[Alex]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Big difference between that and the Dictatorial/Authoritarian Socialism of the USSR.

[Jim V.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Big difference between that and the Dictatorial/Authoritarian Socialism of the USSR.

You're right Alex. But that doesn't matter to demagogues like Bean Bagger who try to make people assume that any little whiff of "socialism" equals Lenin and Stalin.

[Douchepool]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/22/socialist-president-poll_n_7638400.html

If "nearly half" of America is to be believed (not that our current and many previous overlords aren't/weren't socialists), this country is f***ed. But hey, why try to argue against an ideology that left hundreds of millions of people dead and only leads to shortages, starvation, famine, lost liberty, and constant surveillance, right?

At this rate, either ship them all to California or the northeast and let them destroy themselves...or wake the hell up and stop voting for socialism.

Bernie is a Democratic Socialist. Big difference between that and the Dictatorial/Authoritarian Socialism of the USSR.

That may be. Either way I don't think he has much of a chance. The Democratic version of the good ol' boys club is not going to nominate him because 1) he's not Hillary and 2) he's Jewish. Those are two unbreakable rules in 2016 for the Democrats.

[the professor]

I suggest that you all read the first book of Ovid's Metamorphoses and also the first chapters of the book of Genesis which clearly exposed the folly of mythical utopianism which is the root of American hippie culture and of course of Marxism. Anyone who has studied Marxism in detail as I have of course in the same building where the Frankfurt School met at my college Columbia University in the City of New York, knows that it is based on utopian illusions and a false understanding of human will.

The dude unfortunately here is addressing a caricature of Republican thought. He seems to have forgotten, among other things, that a Republican lawyer from the Bush administration powerfully and correctly argued in favor of gay marriage. He is allowing the Huffington Post and Media Matters to define what a Republican is in complete contra distinction to what true American conservatism is, which is love of freedom.
The professor is a proud conservative and of course at once and opponent of backward evangelical conservatism which represents a very small wing of the conservative movement and the Republican Party, but which Democrats love to attack because they have no coherent intellectual argument against core conservatism.
It is easy to mock rednecks but that itself does not constitute a refutation of American conservatism. Almost 7 years of the Barack Obama administration has hurled millions of people into poverty and on food stamps in a dependency society. Obama, my college classmate of course, will not be content until everyone is completely dependent upon the government. American liberalism is an absolute disaster in its current incarnation.

[SurfRiderHawaii]

Almost 7 years of the Barack Obama administration has hurled millions of people into poverty and on food stamps in a dependency society. Obama, my college classmate of course, will not be content until everyone is completely dependent upon the government. American liberalism is an absolute disaster in its current incarnation.

I am shocked to read that The Professor is spewing out this complete distortion of fact. He is one of the last people I expected to mimic the Fox News vitriol of lies and misinformation.. The economy fell off a cliff during the Bush administration. I recall McCain suspending his campain to return to Congress to vote on emergency measures. Once the boulder was off the cliff, no one - Obama, Jesus, Superman - was going to stop it from crashing to bottom.

Since then, Obama has overseen one of the most dramatic periods of economic growth in US history.
If it weren't for the continued corporate assault on the middle class, to the growing advantage of the 1%, Obama would be hailed as one great President. After all, he did get us out of W's Iraq fiasco, ended the war in Afganistan, and helped tens of millions finally get some affordable health care. Funny, conservatives seem to be at a loss when pressed for specifics on what exactly Obama has done wrong. It's all smoke and mirrors in an effort to elect corporate sponsored politicians who will continue to grease the skids for the 1%.

[filledeplage]

Almost 7 years of the Barack Obama administration has hurled millions of people into poverty and on food stamps in a dependency society. Obama, my college classmate of course, will not be content until everyone is completely dependent upon the government. American liberalism is an absolute disaster in its current incarnation.

I am shocked to read that The Professor is spewing out this complete distortion of fact. He is one of the last people I expected to mimic the Fox News vitriol of lies and misinformation.. The economy fell off a cliff during the Bush administration. I recall McCain suspending his campain to return to Congress to vote on emergency measures. Once the boulder was off the cliff, no one - Obama, Jesus, Superman - was going to stop it from crashing to bottom.

Since then, Obama has overseen one of the most dramatic periods of economic growth in US history.
If it weren't for the continued corporate assault on the middle class, to the growing advantage of the 1%, Obama would be hailed as one great President. After all, he did get us out of W's Iraq fiasco, ended the war in Afganistan, and helped tens of millions finally get some affordable health care. Funny, conservatives seem to be at a loss when pressed for specifics on what exactly Obama has done wrong. It's all smoke and mirrors in an effort to elect corporate sponsored politicians who will continue to grease the skids for the 1%.

The professor has some interesting and well-informed comments.  His opinions are informed over time in an academic context. The brush is too broad that paints Republicans and Democrats.  There are shades of moderates in both groups.  But, Sanders meteoric ascendancy is interesting and more a function of a "protest against Hillary" with the history of falsehoods that has dogged both her spouse and herself.  

Who even knew his (Sanders') name?  Dems want an alternative.  Many don't like this alternative and the party needs someone who is credible and why Uncle Joe is being urged to enter the race...to save the party.  Now his outspokenness which has been critcized are being embraced.  Trump has made it popular to tell it like it is and not script every sound bite.  

This war has gone on and on.  What we have here is an Obama campaign laundry list that was comprised of promises that have been incompetently carried out.  When people get into office they often get a slap of reality that  their campaign promises were pie-in-the-sky and outright dangerous.  I fear what remains on his list.

There is always a contingent of solid troops who are left behind to supervise this transition and not create a leadership void. Welcome ISIS.  And she ordered a "stand down" in Benghazi.  The blowback will likely be impossible to overcome, despite all efforts to rescue her.  Some of the Republicans look more like moderate Dems, because of this insane posture on "redistribution of wealth."  Obamacare was taken out of Romney's top drawer, a Republican.  But, the lies were in the concept that people could choose and keep their own docs and it would not be taxed.  Now we know better.  

Best way to get your news is from more than one source.  I'm watching ABC with Stephanopoulos right now.  He was the press guy for Bill Clinton and has made some serious boo-boos contributing to the Clinton Foundation while grilling Hillary's opposition. And, I watch Fox to see the opposing viewpoint and European programming to get their interpretation of US events and politics.  Each brings something different so you can filter and inform your own choices.