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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2006, 03:49:56 PM »

Send him the naked pictures. Not only will be discuss Smile, but he'll take you to dinner. Van Dyke is a little funny that way.
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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2006, 04:17:40 PM »

Well, OK, what should I say back to him then?

Say, "Thank you for asking" and tell him about yourself.  Get him on your good side, and then you can figure out how to get him to remember things he likely doesn't remember from there. 
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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2006, 05:02:59 PM »

Send him the naked pictures. Not only will be discuss Smile, but he'll take you to dinner. Van Dyke is a little funny that way.

Bit of a one-track mind. Two posts, same joke. We get it.
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2006, 06:25:53 PM »

There's an old story about a sultan who made a drunken beggar think he was sultan for a day, then restored him to the alley the next day, then again made him sultan.  The actual sultan was laughing his head off in a closet, the beggar thought closet possessed a demon and proceeded to stab the closet.  The moral is, "Never tell the same joke twice."
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2006, 07:21:30 PM »

The moral of that story should be don't mess with a drunk that has a knife! LOL
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« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2006, 08:30:11 PM »

what'd you ask him?
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« Reply #31 on: June 27, 2006, 08:49:47 PM »

 Shocked Van Dyke is hot!  In a poetic way.  Wink
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« Reply #32 on: June 27, 2006, 09:07:35 PM »

Van Dyke is a bit odd but pretty creative.
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« Reply #33 on: June 27, 2006, 09:50:40 PM »

It was pretty funny the second time. No...it was A LOT more funny.  Grin
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« Reply #34 on: June 28, 2006, 01:24:36 AM »

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Well, OK, what should I say back to him then?

Let's see .....  you were lucky enough that VDP responded to your correspondence.  He didn't say none of your business.  He didn't say he would never say, and he did give you an opening for a dialog.  And you are a SMILE/BB fan.
Well if it was me I would respond and tell him a little about myself.  I likely would include something about  how I got interested in his work and perhaps what I liked best about it.   Even if he was dissing you (which I tend to doubt) I suspect he will respond if you are sincere.  To me it sounds like he is saying he would like to get something out of the conversation too, and I find that to be a very reasonable thing.     
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« Reply #35 on: June 28, 2006, 02:55:41 AM »

Like the last suggestion. If someone I'd never heard of emailed me out of the blue I might want to know a little bit about them too.  Must be frustrating when the world knows who you are and everything (they imagine) about you, and folk strike up conversations or email communications like they were old pals!  Be NEW pals!
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« Reply #36 on: June 28, 2006, 03:32:11 AM »

Favorite Van Dyke quote "I met a Beatle or two, the individuals. They are handsome but they are transcontinental and I can't get behind that. 1976
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« Reply #37 on: June 28, 2006, 06:47:35 AM »

that's a great quote...i remember hearing him say that in the American Family Movie
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« Reply #38 on: June 28, 2006, 09:44:10 AM »

Another good quote is him on the 1976 special (Good Vibrations tour DVD) talking about Dennis: "He's got a lotta meat"
Not really sure what he means, but i'll probably agree anyway.
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« Reply #39 on: June 28, 2006, 10:29:29 AM »

Shortly after Orange Crate Art came out, I e-mailed VDP at the address in the liner notes...

First, I disclaimed I wasn't going to mention Smile because he's probably sick of people talking to him about it.

Second, I asked him if any of Song Cycle was influenced by "Mind Gardens" by The Byrds [except I accidentally wrote "Mind Games"], as many of the songs sound like "Mind Gardens" in both melody and vocal delivery, and

Third and last, if there's any way I could get an autograph from him (on anything -- bar napkin, tree bark, WHATEVER) that says "Save The Prairie Squid."

he replied, in all capital letters,

1) Yes, he was sick of people talking to him about Smile, especially as it was such a short and small period of his life.

2) No, Song Cycle wasn't influenced in any way by "Mind Gardens," and

3) two weeks later there was a tube in the mail from Warner Brothers with a 17 x 24 poster of the Orange Crate Art album cover, complete with VDP's "Save The Prairie Squid" autograph and his self-portrait. I'm STILL kicking myself for not thinking of bringing that thing to Brian's 1998 meet'n'greet; I could have had both their autographs on that thing....arrghhhh...
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« Reply #40 on: June 28, 2006, 10:48:26 AM »

Shortly after Orange Crate Art came out, I e-mailed VDP at the address in the liner notes...

First, I disclaimed I wasn't going to mention Smile because he's probably sick of people talking to him about it.

Second, I asked him if any of Song Cycle was influenced by "Mind Gardens" by The Byrds [except I accidentally wrote "Mind Games"], as many of the songs sound like "Mind Gardens" in both melody and vocal delivery, and

Third and last, if there's any way I could get an autograph from him (on anything -- bar napkin, tree bark, WHATEVER) that says "Save The Prairie Squid."

he replied, in all capital letters,

1) Yes, he was sick of people talking to him about Smile, especially as it was such a short and small period of his life.

2) No, Song Cycle wasn't influenced in any way by "Mind Gardens," and

3) two weeks later there was a tube in the mail from Warner Brothers with a 17 x 24 poster of the Orange Crate Art album cover, complete with VDP's "Save The Prairie Squid" autograph and his self-portrait. I'm STILL kicking myself for not thinking of bringing that thing to Brian's 1998 meet'n'greet; I could have had both their autographs on that thing....arrghhhh...

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« Reply #41 on: June 28, 2006, 05:21:21 PM »

he replied, in all capital letters,

1) Yes, he was sick of people talking to him about Smile, especially as it was such a short and small period of his life.

I know this is a logical answer, and on the surface makes perfect sense - but I don't believe him.
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« Reply #42 on: June 28, 2006, 05:42:55 PM »

I think in a way he likes the attention. I mean without smile how else would BB/BW fans talk about him  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #43 on: June 28, 2006, 07:39:02 PM »

Why be in show business if you don't like attention?
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« Reply #44 on: June 28, 2006, 07:53:30 PM »

I don't think he dislikes the attention. Van Dyke seems like a big ham. I think anyone would get tired talking about the same merda over and over and over again for forty years. Especially since he spent less than a year working on Smile.
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« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2006, 08:56:24 PM »

Well look at it this way, Brian and Van Dyke probably get asked about Smile everytime they are interviewed or meet fans. I think (especally) before 2004 it was vexing. I mean it's like The Beatles being asked when are you getting back together. That's why Brian said the tapes were junked. I am sure that while Smile may have been their creative peak, it was also not  their happiest periods personally. I think the Brian of Friends and the Van Dyke of Song Cycle were probably much happier people which is why questions about things like that get more respectful answers from them.
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« Reply #46 on: June 29, 2006, 07:33:30 AM »

Yeah, I think that's a lot of it.  I hinted in an earlier reply, too, that I think part of the problem is that Van Dyke and Brian don't remember a ton of the stuff that people WANT them to remember about SMiLE.  Van Dyke (and of course Brian) have had a long life of recording music; to them it's their job, they do it all the time, it'd be the equivalent of asking Clint Eastwood "Hey, in Dirty Harry, it says on the production notes that you were in the backlot at Warner Bros. filming that in early February; What color was the original costume you were going to wear that day that was accidentally lost by wardrobe?" or some crap like that, how the hell are they supposed to know? 

I think usually VDP or Brian will talk about large themes of the sessions but people usually try to ask them either bland questions that they can just whisk away with any old answer, or extremely pedantic stuff that as lifelong musicians they probably simply don't remember about a certain recording session. 
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« Reply #47 on: June 29, 2006, 02:47:58 PM »

Maybe if you ask the right question...don't know what that would be, but there aren't that many, even in rock journalism, who have that particular knack. 
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« Reply #48 on: June 29, 2006, 03:29:07 PM »

HeftySums is friends with V.D.P's son.

V.D.P seems like a nice man who tends to feel a bit superior with the average simpleton every so often throughout his days. It's expected though for a person of such talent and intellect like he has. V.D.P was born about one hunded and fifty years late though; travelling through the 1800's with a large moustache seems to suit his person moreso than a 1960's and onward hipster musician and writer.
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