The solid LPs vs the gap bridgers.

[Mike's Beard]

Help Me Rhonda is rehashed older material but luckily it was fairly rockin' and helped pave the way for The Ramones a decade later.

[kookadams]

I get the sarcasm of undermining the Ramones but they did essentially save rockNroll and drew alot from the BBs mid 60s sound.

[Mujan, 8@$+@Rc| of a Blue Wizard]

<<I never called Summer Days a hodgepodge...its a great album! And just because side 2 of Today is the mellow side vs the fast songs on side 1 doesnt make it a lesser album. And I never said post67 BBs is crap, just hit&miss..wild honey is a solid lp I dont care what anyone says, same w 20/20; sunflower's strengths is in dennis's songs rather than brian's for the first and only time; surfs up & holland have some great songs and somw mediocre as well, agreed? 15bO is a solid sounding lp it just bummed some people out because it was all outtakes and covers. >>

Kook - would ya say MIU, LA and KTSA are all out-takes and covers, too?  And maybe Holland is the last real Beach Boys album?

Sign me curious.

I just say Holland was their last essential lp. I like 15bO but I understand why it gets flack. LA and KTSA get flack for obvious reasons.

I'd agree. It was their last genuine attempt to innovate and make an album they believed in. 15BO is shameless pandering and exploitation. Love You is a hijacked solo album. The rest after that are like old men desperately trying to fit into their old letter jackets and pick up girls half their age.

[Steve Latshaw]

<<I just say Holland was their last essential lp. I like 15bO but I understand why it gets flack. LA and KTSA get flack for obvious reasons. >>

Thanks for the clarification.

[drbeachboy]

<<I never called Summer Days a hodgepodge...its a great album! And just because side 2 of Today is the mellow side vs the fast songs on side 1 doesnt make it a lesser album. And I never said post67 BBs is crap, just hit&miss..wild honey is a solid lp I dont care what anyone says, same w 20/20; sunflower's strengths is in dennis's songs rather than brian's for the first and only time; surfs up & holland have some great songs and somw mediocre as well, agreed? 15bO is a solid sounding lp it just bummed some people out because it was all outtakes and covers. >>

Kook - would ya say MIU, LA and KTSA are all out-takes and covers, too?  And maybe Holland is the last real Beach Boys album?

Sign me curious.

I just say Holland was their last essential lp. I like 15bO but I understand why it gets flack. LA and KTSA get flack for obvious reasons.

I'd agree. It was their last genuine attempt to innovate and make an album they believed in. 15BO is shameless pandering and exploitation. Love You is a hijacked solo album. The rest after that are like old men desperately trying to fit into their old letter jackets and pick up girls half their age.

Yep, along with every Beach Boys album that Brian had a hand in writing. With Love You I have never heard of where Brian had a solo album ready to release and then pulled it back so the Beach Boys could re-record their own version.